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I didn't get a chance to watch the game last night, but I could tell Rickie Weeks was struggling because my dad called twice to complain about him. After the game, Ned Yost said Weeks was rushing his throws. The Brew Town Beat took it to the next level and said he sucks at life. One thing is for sure: you know your defense is bad when people are seriously considering Ray Durham as a defensive replacement.
As noted in the Fanshots, Derrick Turnbow has a partial tear of his rotator cuff. Surgery may or may not be needed, but he's done for 2008, at any rate. In the grand scheme, this is likely good news for Turnbow, who can rehab, recover and attempt a fresh start in 2009, but it probably is the end of his time in a Brewer uniform.
ESPN has opened up the voting for the greatest Brewer of all time. I'm guessing the winner is more or less a foregone conclusion, but go check out the list of candidates anyway.
Robin Yount also made The Hardball Times' list of greatest slugging middle infielders of all time.
Today we have good, bad and bizarre power rankings:
THE GOOD: WhatifSports ranks the Brewers #1 by more than 2 full wins.
THE BAD: The Whisnant Rankings dropped the Brewers from 15th to 16th.
THE BIZARRE: Andrea Reiher of Bugs and Cranks ranks the Brewers 6th. At least I think the Alice Cooper quote represented the Brewers.
Batter's Box Interactive takes a look at players on every NL team with a shot at the Hall of Fame, and comes up with 5 Brewers: CC Sabathia, Ben Sheets, Prince Fielder, Ryan Braun...and Eric Gagne. Really? Eric Gagne?
Jonathan Mayo recently posted his notes from the AAA All-Star game, and says that Luis Pena created the biggest buzz with his three-digit fastball...and the home run Pawtucket's Chris Carter hit off of it.
On injuries:
Blue Jays IF Aaron Hill continues to miss time as he slowly recovers from a concussion.
Tim Hudson has been placed on the DL with ligament damage in his elbow.
Chipper Jones' hamstring has landed him back on the DL.
Mets P John Maine will have an MRI today after leaving last night's game with shoulder stiffness.
Jorge Posada will have shoulder surgery after all, and the time spent waiting to decide may mean he's not ready for spring training 2009.
Blue Jays RP Brian Tallet has been placed on the DL with a broken toe.
Michael Young fractured his right ring finger and should miss 5-7 days.
We'll never know how Dennis Sarfate could have fit into this year's Brewer bullpen, but he's sliding into the Orioles rotation on Wednesday.
Thanks to Dixieflatline, who mentioned this one in yesterday's comments: Over at the Hardball Times, John Walsh takes a look at the change-up, why it's not traditionally thrown inside, and how Ted Lilly has gotten away with throwing it inside anyway.
I know Greg Maddux has been around a long time and thrown a lot of pitches, but would you have guessed he's moved into tenth place on the all-time strikeout list? I would not have.
If you or someone in your family would like to win the opportunity to meet Derek Jeter and assess in person the possibility that he'll someday be baseball's least deserving Hall of Famer, weplay.com has a deal for you.
In the wake of last week's ugly minor league brawl in Peoria, the Dayton Dragons released the player whose hard slide started the altercation. The player who tried to throw a ball into the opposing team's dugout, missed and hit a fan faces felony charges. I hadn't heard anything about him being released, but he's not on Peoria's roster as of this morning.
Oh, and by the way, there's a Woot-off going on today, so if you were looking for an opportunity to go impulse buy electronics, here you go.
Drink up.
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Last night's game was intense!
Im sure it had fans of both teams on the edge of their seats. This series is a big one too, and definitely a lot of fun to watch.
by adam316 on Jul 29, 2008 9:09 AM CDT 0 recs
“Also if you’ve ever been to the Evil BCB, we don’t want to end up like them.”
Are you here to try and change this place from good to evil? Are we supposed to engage in prolonged feuds with incessant insults? Should we develop a giant sense of arrogance?
by ol Pete on
Jul 29, 2008 9:26 AM CDT
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LOL Pete
Just trying to have a friendly rivalry with the BrewCrew. Hey, I wouldn’t post something like that here, that is why I posted it on the Cubs site. But you posted it here anyway. Sigh.
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:29 AM CDT
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Also to be clear
Some Brewers fans can have a discussion with other teams’ fans. It’s just that most of the time they immediately get defensive just because you like another team. Anyways, that isn’t why I cam here. I came here to see what you guys thought about last nights game. I thought it was intense, and minus a couple big mistakes by the Brewers, it may have gone either way.
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 9:47 AM CDT
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friendly, eh?
this is your work too:
Yes, it is very clear that Brewers fans seem to have a problem getting along with fans of other teams, or at least fans of the Cubs. While we hate to lose to the Cardinals or the Brewers, it is very clear that the overall Cardinals fans are more respectful and able to engage in a conversation without hating. I am glad you pointed that out, Al. Thank you.
i don’t believe you are trying to have a friendly rivalry. i think you are being disrespectful. Al launches regular attacks against brewer fans, and drones like you continue to support his vitriol. All of us around here know which fanbase is to blame. ya dig? so don’t pretend to make nice. either do it or don’t.
Bring Back The Old Logo!
by jacob on
Jul 29, 2008 9:53 AM CDT
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Um like I said, that was on another site, I didn't write that here, because if I did, that wouldn't be nice.
But when I am here, I am respectful on your site, and just trying to get another perspective from a different team. If I were you I just wouldn’t worry about what I write on my teams site, as it doesn’t affect your site. But seriously, I am trying real hard here not to make these posts about me and you guys keep posting my stuff from Al’s site. So anybody here care to talk baseball?
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:01 AM CDT
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good call
let’s talk about baseball. i’ll respond to your post.
Last night’s game was intense! Im sure it had fans of both teams on the edge of their seats. This series is a big one too, and definitely a lot of fun to watch.
I agree, last night’s game was intense. I think this series is important too, and i also like to watch baseball. Thank you for the chat about baseball adam316. Have a great day!
Bring Back The Old Logo!
by jacob on
Jul 29, 2008 10:06 AM CDT
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That was awesome
Thanks. That was cool. So jacob, what do you think of today’s pitching matchup?
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:14 AM CDT
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Ribbon Board Changes
I ended up scoring a ticket to the game last night last minute.
But I noticed this. The behind the plate hitting stats were missing, same were the pitching stats.
The pitch count tracker was replaced by a digital clock.
This made tracking the pitching wear a bit of a pain. I wonder why they did that.. seemed they changed things up just for the Cubs series (It was fine on Sunday vs. the Stros)
by SgtClueLs on Jul 29, 2008 9:11 AM CDT 0 recs
Weird
Maybe they don’t want anybody to know how many pitches Sabathia is actually throwing. I did notice that BA and Rock weren’t mentioning pitch count either, probably because they couldn’t see it on the board.
by oconnobe on
Jul 29, 2008 9:21 AM CDT
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Lineup tonight
I’m guessing Durham will get the start tonight against the tough right hander.
Also interesting to note that both Hall and Branyan are under .200 lifetime against Zambrano, both with over 30 at bats. Counsell at 3B tonight?
Cameron is 0-8 against Zambrano, but Kapler has never faced him.
Go Brewers … the 3 game winning streak begins tonight!
by oconnobe on Jul 29, 2008 9:26 AM CDT 0 recs
To be fair...
That entire Batter’s Box International article is pretty retarded. Gagne is only about the 10th least likely HOF candidate on that list.
See also:
Tom Gordon, Jamie Moyer, Pat Burrell, MIKE HAMPTON, Tim Hudson, Troy Glaus, MARK MULDER?!?, Rick Ankiel, DARIN ERSTAD WTFA?
/211/1/?
!?, Orlando Hudson, Rich Aurilia, Brian Giles
I realize some of these guys are listed as “Missing the Cut,” but still. And since when is John Smoltz not a slam dunk HOFer?
by somethingvague on Jul 29, 2008 9:26 AM CDT 0 recs
Now we know
thanks to the highly respected TH over at JSOnline Rickie’s problems is well, according to Tommy Boy … “flubbed double-play replays at crucial times”. I would link the article but … well you know where it is. I never would have guessed this was a video based problem.
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on Jul 29, 2008 9:27 AM CDT 0 recs
Chicago radio guy
on ESPN just now thought it was 40% Cubs fans at the game last night. Any estimates from those of you that were there?
by oconnobe on Jul 29, 2008 9:28 AM CDT 0 recs
Yeah I’d say that is a fair assessment. The Cubs fan I was sitting by was really nice, and we had a nice convo. That being said, in the 2nd? inning, Braun threw his warmup ball into the stands, only to have a Cubs fan attempt to hit him with it. Wow…what class. Anybody else have any stories about Cubs/Brewers fans?
by wisco24 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:17 AM CDT
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Is it true that when D-Lee
Fouled a ball off his leg and was in pain, that the Brewers fans were cheering? Seriously, I didn’t notice, but it was posted somewhere that this is what happened.
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:22 AM CDT
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I wasn’t in there for that…I was stuck waiting in line to park…lol.
by wisco24 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:24 AM CDT
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There was. I think it was more pronounced by Cubs fan booing the cheerers so it seemed worse.
Off course, I’m sure it was about the same % as people who cheered Reed sliding into Yovanni.
by SgtClueLs on
Jul 29, 2008 10:29 AM CDT
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What did you think about that slide?
I mean it did seem kinda dirty, but it is fair game, right? Wouldn’t the Brewers do the same?
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:41 AM CDT
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I was more mad about the out call on Hart at third. He seemed safe to me and that cost us a run.
by wisco24 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:47 AM CDT
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On that call...
Maybe you are right, on the replays I couldn’t even tell, but I could see that the ump was not in a good position to make an accurate call it was very close, but if that call was a bad one, I think it was the only one.
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:51 AM CDT
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Lots!
I saw that moron throw the ball out. They argued with the staff about getting kicked out. If the ball was hit Brauns way, he could have slipped on it. It was horribly stupid.
Someone from either terrace or Metavante martini bar area were throwing full beers down at brewers fan. 5 Full beers through 3 innings. Also saw a bunch of foam, like someone shaking a bottle of beer onto people.
A Cubs fan dumped a beer on a guy, got kicked out, and while being kicked out, she decided to moon us all.
3 Cubs fan and 1 Brewer fan get into, Beers thrown at each other, kicked out.
2 More Cub fans, not sure what happened.
Some jag with a Chi Cubs license plate (WI) was holding up “Welcome to Wrigley North” signs, and something else about Wisconsin (I couldn’t read it to well). You know he was looking to start a fight.
There were a fair amount of antagonistic Brewers fans there, but by far I saw more harassment by Cub fans towards Brewers fans then vice-versa.
I did thank a random Cubs fan for helping us lock up Ryan Braun for more years by coming to the stadium. He turned out to be really cool. We talked on the way down, he said that he was called an asshole because some Brewer fan said he didn’t know baseball. The question posed to him was “What’s JJ real name?”. Like wow, I’m sure 90% of Brewers fan wouldn’t know it. I apologized to him, and said it’s not normally like this, Cubs fans heckling brings out the worst. He said he wouldn’t be back to Miller Park because of how much of jags both sides were.
It is rough going to these games, it really brings out the worst of both sides. I just hope better tickets tonight lowers the jag factor.
by SgtClueLs on
Jul 29, 2008 10:27 AM CDT
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I am guessing it also gets more escalated
due to the importance of this series. Yes it is still July, but anytime two teams are jockying for first place, it can get intense. I would have enjoyed being at the game regardless.
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:39 AM CDT
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Slightly..
But it was exactly the same as years past. Even when the Brewers were not remotely in the play off picture.
by SgtClueLs on
Jul 29, 2008 10:45 AM CDT
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I've been to one Brewer-Cubs series
And won’t attend another. Last week I mentioned that the nicest ballpark, a beautiful day and a great game can still be ruined by one idiot with diarrhea of the mouth and constipation of the brain. My last Brewer-Cubs series had about 10,000 of those, from both sides.
Derek Jeter is day to day after being hit by a pitch and being gorilla press slammed by a Bizarro Ray.
by KLSnow on
Jul 29, 2008 11:01 AM CDT
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I wouldn't do this, but have you ever tried
headphones and an mp3 player at those series?
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 11:14 AM CDT
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I usually prefer
to avoid “premium series” pricing and enjoy a game or series against another team instead.
Derek Jeter is day to day after being hit by a pitch and being gorilla press slammed by a Bizarro Ray.
by KLSnow on
Jul 29, 2008 11:18 AM CDT
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Ah they actually jack the price up for the series...
I did not know that.
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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Yeah well, the dork factor would go red line if you did that to avoid shitty peopel int he fans.
by SgtClueLs on
Jul 29, 2008 11:22 AM CDT
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start arresting people
Impound their vehicles if they’re left while they spend 24 or so in the Charles Barkley suite.
Mooning people is illegal and exposing yourself like that can lead to some rather astonishing negative consequences.
by ol Pete on
Jul 29, 2008 2:29 PM CDT
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It was a tough game to watch
But it certainly was a fun one. I cried for about 5 minutes once Soriano jumped up and stole away Kapler’s fun. I really thought that we would have the clear advantage for all of the matchups up to Bush / Harden, but it’s a long road now to a series win.
If he's the Prince, then I'm the King.
by ryan braun on Jul 29, 2008 10:11 AM CDT 0 recs
How close was it?
I was above the play so I couldn’t see…
by SgtClueLs on
Jul 29, 2008 10:15 AM CDT
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It made the warning track. Just far enough to get my hopes up but never really had a chance. That would have been crazy if he had hit it out after the craziness after that foul tip.
by wisco24 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:18 AM CDT
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I have to say though that the umps had the right call, no doubt about it
And that ball hit by Kapler hat my heart pounding.
by adam316 on
Jul 29, 2008 10:23 AM CDT
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Time for Rickie Weeks to sit out a few games
I think that Weeks’ problems in the biggest game of the year thusfar really makes him a prime candidate to sit out at least a game. Durham will be in there tonight because of Big Z on the mound, but look at these numbers:
61 games played, .301 AVG, .384 OBP, 4 HR, 21 RBI, 14 2B, 3 3B
Those are Durham’s career numbers against the Cubs. Weeks?
40 games played, .229 AVG, .350 OBP, 6 HR, 14 RBI, 8 2B, 0 3B
Time to play the hot hand, Ned.
If he's the Prince, then I'm the King.
by ryan braun on Jul 29, 2008 11:00 AM CDT 0 recs
His stats against the Cubs:
43 games played, .236 AVG, .335 OBP, 8 HR, 19 RBI, 7 2B, 2 3B
If he's the Prince, then I'm the King.
by ryan braun on
Jul 29, 2008 11:05 AM CDT
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Have you watched Cameron lately?
He looks so confused at the plate. He swings right through fastballs right down the middle. I don’t care how he hits the cubs, he’s cold now and should be on the bench.
by brewfan2 on
Jul 29, 2008 11:26 AM CDT
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Tom H agrees with you
The Chubber Lang Report is back!!!
by Hyatt on
Jul 29, 2008 11:06 AM CDT
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yay
if I’m aligned against Tom, I know I’m not too far wrong.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 29, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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Scooped by 18 minutes.
Dang.
If he's the Prince, then I'm the King.
by ryan braun on
Jul 29, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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to summarize:
Weeks OPS vCHC: 748
Durham OPS vCHC: 821
Durham also has a BABIP about 100 points higher, so a decent chunk of the difference is luck.
And that’s not even touching on how silly vTeam splits are. For one thing, Durham’s been playing the Cubs since 1995, when the top of the rotation was Frank Castillo and Jaime Navarro.
If we want the hot hand, what’s wrong with the guy who’s hitting 286/409/514 since the break?
I don’t have any problem with sitting Weeks tonight, or even multiple times in the rest of this series, but numbers vs. the Cubs don’t provide a very convincing rationale as to why.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 29, 2008 11:12 AM CDT
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You have more patience than me
Sure, numbers aren’t the end all be all of baseball. But, how could you keep putting a guy out there like Weeks, who in the mind of the average fan, is going to get boo’ed for every mistake he makes. Sure, Bill Hall had it make him stronger, but could the pressure being put on Weeks to perform in this series push him into mediocrity? Or… rather… further!
If he's the Prince, then I'm the King.
by ryan braun on
Jul 29, 2008 11:24 AM CDT
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Are we sure
Bill Hall actually got better in that environment?
Derek Jeter is day to day after being hit by a pitch and being gorilla press slammed by a Bizarro Ray.
by KLSnow on
Jul 29, 2008 11:25 AM CDT
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Hasn't he always been booed for his mistakes?
Plus, during this series about 40% of the crowd will cheer when he makes a mistake, lessening the crowd factor. :)
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by TheJay on
Jul 29, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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Sarfate
Walking seven guys every nine innings would seem to fit in our bullpen just fine.
Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.
by TheJay on Jul 29, 2008 11:26 AM CDT 0 recs
imagine Sarfate against the Red Sox
ha. ha. ha. ha. ha.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jul 29, 2008 11:38 AM CDT
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Great moments in Rotoworld typos:
Derrick Turnbow was diagnosed with a slight undersurface tear in the rotator cuff of his pitching shoulder.He’s expected to meat with the team’s physician on Wednesday to determine if surgery is necessary. His season is most likely over, and with it his career with the Brewers. If he needs surgery, Turnbow would be even more of a longshot to find a taker this offseason.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 29, 2008 11:39 AM CDT 0 recs
Not after coughing first.
If he's the Prince, then I'm the King.
by ryan braun on
Jul 29, 2008 12:59 PM CDT
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Fillet that shoulder!
Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.
by TheJay on
Jul 29, 2008 12:29 PM CDT
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i noticed that too
but couldn’t figure out how to copy-paste it.
sigh
by PagsBrewCrew on
Jul 29, 2008 2:20 PM CDT
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This is just weird
I’m not going to type up another ‘bizarro rumorville’ post, but this should speak for itself:
The Marlins are the most aggressive suitor for Rangers catcher Gerald Laird, but add the Brewers to the list of interested clubs, which also includes the Reds and Yankees.Brewers GM Doug Melvin acquired Laird for the Rangers in 2002, and Laird would be a strong complement to Jason Kendall, who needs to start only 16 more games to guarantee his vesting option for next season.
The Rangers are seeking a young starting pitcher in return for Laird, and also fielding calls on their other catcher, Jarrod Saltalamacchia.
Yeah, I think it’d be a great idea to acquire Laird so that he can start once (maybe twice!) a month. Now, Salty…he I’d look at. Unfortunately, most of our best trading chips are on the Cleveland PTBNL list.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 29, 2008 11:43 AM CDT 0 recs
I can see wanting to pick up Laird after he hits free agency, but to back up Kendall? When Laird spent most of 2007 and 2008 complaining because he was doing a position split with their other catcher?
I’m surprised the Red Sox aren’t interested in Laird. Varitek may be the captain, but he’s mostly Captain Awful this year, and his contract’s up.
by morineko on
Jul 29, 2008 11:48 AM CDT
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Watched Salty down here in Atlanta
would LOVE to see him in a Brewer uniform.
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
Jul 29, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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Dayton Dragons releasing Angel Cabrera
At first that named seemed familiar to me, but then I realized I was combining crappy ex-Brewers. Of course, you can’t think of baseball players possibly going to jail without Julio Machado coming up.
Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.
by TheJay on Jul 29, 2008 11:45 AM CDT 0 recs
as to your other point
wiki sez:
” Spending the 1991 off-season in his homeland, Machado was arrested for murder being accused of shooting a woman following an auto accident. He was convicted and, following appeals, he was sentenced to 12 years in 1996.”
it later says “Machado went on to play in the Venezuelan winter league and currently coaches in that league.”
so…in jail from 1996-2007, then has already played in winter league and is now a coach? or was he let off early for “good behavior?” Why would someone already hire him as a coach? I’d give him 18 psych evals before even considering hiring him for an office job.
by PagsBrewCrew on
Jul 29, 2008 2:28 PM CDT
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Maybe he had to serve 12 years in 1996. Like they put him inside some hyperbaric chamber, only for time instead of pressure (hyperchronic?). Or maybe they raped him at 12 times the normal rate.
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
by battlekow on
Jul 29, 2008 2:31 PM CDT
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good idea
I didn’t realize that technology had been sold to Venezuela yet.
maybe he was imprisoned from 1991 onward, and they called the first 5 years time served…
I have to suck the fun out of everything….
by PagsBrewCrew on
Jul 29, 2008 2:38 PM CDT
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Maddux
What are the chances he pitches to 75 in order to set the all-time K record? Seriously though, he’s actually only a couple seasons away from setting the record for most games started by a pitcher – if he did stay around to do that he would wind up as only the fifth pitcher in MLB history to give up 5000 hits in his career.
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by TheJay on Jul 29, 2008 12:02 PM CDT 0 recs
I could never go to a Cubs/Brewers game.
I’m 100% certain that I’d end up in jail. Possibly for throwing someone over the terrace level ledge. I’m not even kidding.
Lordz Of Vengeance....If I'm not drunk, I'm at work.
I am anti-Suppan.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jul 29, 2008 2:12 PM CDT 0 recs
Jose Gullien wants a trade from Kansas City
Maybe the Brewers should pick him up to platoon with Braun? I think that Ryan has a ways to go defensively and needs a platoon partner similar to how Weeks has Durham, Hall has Branyan, and Fielder has Dillon, and don’t forget about how Kendall has Rivera.
If he's the Prince, then I'm the King.
by ryan braun on Jul 29, 2008 2:49 PM CDT 0 recs
Bush has McClung
And entire infield has Counsell.
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Jul 29, 2008 3:04 PM CDT
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What's with the third-person?
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
by battlekow on
Jul 29, 2008 3:32 PM CDT
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that earthquake really rocked my ben oglivie bobblehead!
go get em' seth!
by Jamie in LA on Jul 29, 2008 3:04 PM CDT 0 recs
Shaked our plant in Cali pretty good. Thankfully our server racks didn’t spill! Phew!
by SgtClueLs on
Jul 29, 2008 3:52 PM CDT
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didn't feel it up in the central valley
only felt one earthquake here so far (about 3 years ago).
magnitude?
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