Game Thread #86: Pirates (40-44) at Brewers (46-39)
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 4, 2008 11:29 AM CDT
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Like battlekow, I am disclaiming all knowledge of events in Arizona yesterday.
A good way to get that taste out of your mouth is to focus on the matchup today: Ben Sheets and his sub-3.00 ERA against Tom Gorzellany and his 6+ mark. It's best not to think about how Gorzo has pitched against the Crew.
Game time is 1:05 CT, and here's the BR Game Preview.
Go Brewers!
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mmmmh lefties
I wonder if Prince might get another day off today? He has sure been scuffling a lot recently.
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 11:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
worst-hitting pitchers in the NL?
I’m headed off to a weekend of science fiction conventiony goodness, so I’m not able to check this in the manner it deserves (which is probably not much) but are Sheets and Gorzelanny the worst-hitting active NL pitchers over their careers? I know Gorzo actually managed to score a run this year so this year’s small sample is probably not indicative of how bad they actually are.
by morineko on Jul 4, 2008 12:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Close
Of all the active pitchers with 100 or more career PA, only seven have an OPS below .200:
Mark Redman .142
Brian Moehler .157
Doug Davis .180
Tom Gorzelanny .184
Aaron Harang .187
Ben Sheets .197
Claudio Vargas .199
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 1:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheesh
Redman is 8 for 152 in his career. Somehow he’s got six walks, which is almost embarrassing.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It could just be the peyote talking,
but I’m feeling a multi-hit game for Benjamin.
by frostybadger on Jul 4, 2008 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
CC chatter
Anyone concerned about all of this LaPorta talk?
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 1:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trenni stopping by pittsburg booth later
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 1:29 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
unfortunately
MLB.tv has the Brewers feed today.
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The pirates announcers aren't too great
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
sure, but...
a lengthy Trenni appearance would have been just what the doctor ordered after I missed out on all her Summerfest reporting and had to deal with Mark Grace the last few days…
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Francoeur
Sent all the way down to AA today
by ksbrewer on Jul 4, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Billy
Great way to start his streak of starts this week
by ksbrewer on Jul 4, 2008 1:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Confidence boost
That’s exactly what Billy needed.
by oconnobe on Jul 4, 2008 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Another walk
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 1:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Also
Don Money was on the pregame show with Jim. He didn’t say anything really new but if you want to listen it will be archived after the game.
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 1:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Thank goodness that ball got out of play
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 1:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And a high leverage fly out there
Tons of pitches by Sheets and with how our pen performed yesterday that is scary.
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Easy, just give the pen a 7-run lead
I mean, they can’t possibly be worse than yesterday, right?
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thinking way ahead
If Torres isn’t available today might Gagne be our closer today? He looked by far the best out of the pen yesterday. Kind of wishing we still had DiFelice here as we might need several innings from someone today.
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 1:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
Can’t be Mota, almost certainly can’t be Riske.
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about a dinger from Brauny now.
Sure has been a while
by Flag Up on Jul 4, 2008 1:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought maybe they were testing Doumit
He’s now got 9 CS in 28 attempts, though, so it’s not like he’s awful.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 2:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well at least prince actually seen a few pitches.
Before stinking.
by Flag Up on Jul 4, 2008 2:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Indians just designated two players for assignment...
by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 2:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Joe Borowski
DFA’ing him is like getting someone in trade all by itself.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 2:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indians could have done this at any time, though.
I think they’re clearing 40-man roster room for a Sabathia deal.
by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
LaPorta and company don't need to be added to the 40 man
I would be mildly surprised if they would call up someone like LaPorta right away if the trade happened tomorrow.
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hardy would have to go on the 40-man, though.
by cwyers on Jul 4, 2008 2:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, I know :)
I was just trying to make fun of Joe Borowski, albeit badly.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
good quick inning, just 9 pitches for Sheets
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 2:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Really needed it
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 2:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kendall back on fire
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Too bad he wasn't actually on fire
He might’ve run faster then.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
one of those Counsell-type homerun swings
Hey, whatever works.
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 2:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
that could hurt us
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Jul 4, 2008 2:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sox-Yanks
Check out the Gamecast video of the Youkilis triple. The ball rests on the top of the wall. Good camera work on the second look at it
by ksbrewer on Jul 4, 2008 2:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Lol
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 2:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Good golly
This is the first season Sheets has had more than one walk since 2004.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
JJ
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he's got his 10 lbs he lost in spring back
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 2:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JimJerry
It’d be kind of funny if he has a good game and is traded right after it, a la Gabe Gross.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
if this keeps up
I’m not so sure anymore I want to trady Hardy. Can we trade Weeks instead and shift JJ to 2B once Escobar is ready?
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 2:39 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
true
I’m not a fan of selling high for the sake of selling high, though. If Hardy could get us somebody really good, sure.
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not saying we have to trade him or even should
I am just saying we probably get more for him than Weeks right now.
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trading Hardy would be contradictory
Trading for CC to win now and then letting Hardy go?
Makes no sense.
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Luck Doubles Count
Not all doubles are created equal, but hey…
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It hurt Braun so much to take a walk
that he had to get picked off
Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay
by verno329 on Jul 4, 2008 2:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Crew caught the baserunning virus in AZ
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm calling it now
Whatever Ben can’t finish, I want Gagne in there for it.
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
2-out RISP hit
Why does Hart hate giving us reasons to worry? :)
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 2:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
This inning could only feel better
if it was the 9th.
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They're cheering Billy Hall
That’s nice of them.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 2:48 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
So Sheets is at 101 pitches right now
This has been a long inning too. I wouldn’t mind just taking him down now and saving him a bit.
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who'd have thought
that Gorzelanny would finish the 5th inning with more pitches than Sheets?
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 2:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
mmmmmh lefties
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Where's Bernie's patriotic uniform today?
Hasn’t he worn the stars and stripes on holidays in the past? Need an answer to this important question.
by oconnobe on Jul 4, 2008 2:51 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And Gorzelanny gets relieved by
a guy with an even higher ERA. Neat.
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 2:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Extra sturdy lock
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 2:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
whew
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 3:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
10 LOB for the rats
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 3:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I actually like PIT, but
Crew needs to outscore them 50-2 this series for reasons future and past.
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 3:07 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
A ring a ding ding!
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 3:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
On pace for 40.5-4.5 so far
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally Braun's hand is better
I was worried I wouldn’t see him until next weekend.
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on Jul 4, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute?
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm pro-Cameroon?
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 3:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not all doubles are created equal
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 3:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Satan?
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 3:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
bench-clearing brawls and 5-game suspensions for everyone
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have it on great authority
That Harry Doyle is VO & water
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
100% Cardinals
Pragmatically
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
more seriously, I'll be rooting for the Cards
They’re the much more likely team to have a weak second half, so if they can help cut down the Cubs’ lead before it happens, I’m all for it.
by Zeyes on Jul 4, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Absolutely
Cameron will carry this team this homestand. Just watch.
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 3:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all seriousness
Great to see the team come back like this after yesterday.
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Villanueva
With the injured hamstring trot to first.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 3:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Corey
Nice catch
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on Jul 4, 2008 3:36 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Save for Villanueva
Second of his career.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 3:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That rule is a wee bit silly
I am pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Jul 4, 2008 4:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess
BA noted during the game that the pitcher “saves” the rest of the bullpen so I guess there’s that.
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by TheJay on Jul 4, 2008 4:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sweet
sounds like another good win. I think we all needed that after the day that shall not be named.
by molitorfan on Jul 4, 2008 4:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was listening to some pirate postgame and they were very optimistic about the next two games
That surprised me because they basically threw several of their young pitchers under the bus. Don’t they realize we kill left handed pitching? Sure Bush isn’t great but he is pitching better recently and Suppan has been very good last start notwithstanding.
by dixieflatline on Jul 4, 2008 5:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Run differential
is back positive for the season at +5. Hopefully Bush helps them keep it that way on Saturday.
by molitorfan on Jul 4, 2008 11:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
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