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Game Thread #88: Pirates (40-46) at Brewers (48-39)

Suppan.  Duke.  Win streak.  Go!

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We should pull the trigger on the LaPorta+ for Sabathia trade because

A) We probably won’t be able to resign Bennie Goldmedal in the offseason and this is our best shot at the playoffs for a while, at least

B) LaPorta is blocked by position in our system

C) If you take out Sabathia’s awful start to the season and normalize his stats for park and defense, he becomes not just a very good starter, but an elite one

D) “P” will finally have someone to make late-night runs to Taco Bell with him for 99 cent Cheesy Bean and Rice Burritos

E) All of the above, plus sometimes in life you have to take chances. Not trading for Sabathia is the safe & boring way out.

by somethingvague on Jul 6, 2008 12:13 PM CDT reply actions  

It sounds like Melvin put his best offer out there.

The trigger has been pulled, unless you’re asking if Melvin should knuckle under and give up a 2nd AA prospect along with LaPorta, which is reportedly what the Indians are looking for. SI put a not so informative rumors post up a couple of hours back that listed 4 other teams, the Cubs included, who were pursuing Sabathia, that more or less read like a direct leak from Cleveland’s front office.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2008 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

funny enough...

i am hoping they dont trade laporta; cause i had him sign my all-time brewers jersey at spring training. oops.

go get em' seth!

by Jamie in LA on Jul 6, 2008 12:37 PM CDT up reply actions  

A) True, I still have hope that the team does well this year and Ben is tempted by a short term deal

B) Not really, he is very young.

C) Yeah

D) Picture playing the Nationals and Dmitri Young squibs one to Prince. CC goes to cover first and the three converge. It would be close to a half ton.

E) LaPorta could also be part of a trade that would be better later, but yeah, with the limitations of a 25 man roster there is an opportunity

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Indians fan checking in here…you all hearing any more updates on your end?

by APV on Jul 6, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Just the TV guys saying that if the deal doesn’t get done so that he can start Teusday, the value would diminish.

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 1:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think the Indians know this as well and will move him before then. I think by the end of the day today a deal will be made. I hope CC ends up in Milwaukee, but I’m sure phone calls today will determine that.

by APV on Jul 6, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think we'll know one way or another

by the end of today’s game.

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 6, 2008 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions  

Now you’re getting everyone excited, so beer is on you if you’re wrong. I guess virtual beers won’t cost too much though.

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 1:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

I think that he's going to be successful

not only because of the fact that he’s switching leagues and he’ll have the “never seen before” benefit of the doubt, and the fact that he’s due for quite a few homers…

by ryan braun on Jul 6, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm so antsy!

I can’t even focus on this Chicken Noodle Soup out on the mound because of these rumors… my goodness.

by ryan braun on Jul 6, 2008 1:07 PM CDT reply actions  

So Hot Right Now!

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 6, 2008 1:17 PM CDT reply actions  

back to back!

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 6, 2008 1:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Great start!

Soup’s got some runs to work with

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Jul 6, 2008 1:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Brauny made it

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 6, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

THAT'S AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

here’s to 20 more AS Games for my boy…

go get em' seth!

by Jamie in LA on Jul 6, 2008 1:30 PM CDT up reply actions  

Braun gets the All-Star start

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Jul 6, 2008 1:22 PM CDT reply actions  

green light on 3-0

good decision and Billy gets a liner and an RBI

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 1:27 PM CDT reply actions  

sure am glad we got all those runs in the first

Bay clobbered that one

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Jul 6, 2008 1:33 PM CDT reply actions  

Suppan

regressing to the mean, 1 start at a time

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 6, 2008 1:40 PM CDT reply actions  

He looked so good for several starts and now he really has been stinky for the past few.

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 1:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Melvin better get on the phone NOW!!!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 1:46 PM CDT reply actions  

All-Star Game team

Sheets is also on the squad full list here

by Saltire on Jul 6, 2008 1:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Miguel Tejada is a JOKE: 10 HR, .319 OBP

J.J. Hardy is third in the MLB in OPS among shortstops, behind Hanley Ramirez and barely behind Jose Reyes. I was just going to comment that he could make it behind Guzman, but not when Tejada is wasting a spot. And they have Berkman- it’s not like the Astros need someone. It’s also a joke that Pat Burrel isn’t on the roster.

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 6, 2008 1:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

Reaffirming this point

Hardy: .289 .355 .466 .821 11 HR
Tejada: .282 .319 .437 .756 10 HR

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 6, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Agree agree agree

with Burrel not being there being foolish.

by Braunstalker on Jul 6, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

A lot of players have bonuses based on ASG appearances

You’d think it would make Pat want to return to Philly less although maybe he doesn’t want to in the first place.

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 1:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

That's also quite an AL Starting Lineup

60% Yankees/Red Sox

Derek Jeter OPS: .756

J.J. Hardy OPS: .821

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 6, 2008 2:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

yeah! but his defense is sweat! i mean he jumps into THE CROWD for fowel baalls! and he is a leeeder!

by Braunstalker on Jul 6, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Burrell is one of the final 5

Along with Hart,Wright,Rowland and C.Lee
If Hart wins that vote I will be very pleasantly surprised

by Saltire on Jul 6, 2008 1:57 PM CDT reply actions  

yeah

Ryan almost became the top vote-getter for the NL.

by Oakland Brewer Fan on Jul 6, 2008 2:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'm know

But the others esp Wright are probably much better known by the average fan/voter.

by Saltire on Jul 6, 2008 2:01 PM CDT up reply actions  

Long

string of useless starts

by Braunstalker on Jul 6, 2008 2:07 PM CDT reply actions  

LaPorta + Suppan for CC

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

I was just thinking, he is like one of those guys in the NBA who gets traded as a salary dump. Two and a half more years…

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions  

Soup

I am beginning to dread his starts more than Bush’s

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 2:08 PM CDT reply actions  

If he keeps this up the Milwaukee boo birds

are gonna rail him into tears like they have done to no other player before.

by Braunstalker on Jul 6, 2008 2:11 PM CDT reply actions  

OK Corey

10 more votes for you!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 2:15 PM CDT reply actions  

Nice

the contestant in the “21runs” contest today has to be worrying about going over

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 2:19 PM CDT reply actions  

Waiter

I would like to send this Soup back to the clubhouse

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 2:20 PM CDT reply actions  

Just for fun

bring in MOTA ;-))

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

penalty box

you have to sit out 2 minutes for that

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Sorry

just a bit of levity!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

hopefully

Stetter goes 6 strong innings here

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

I’ll bet the Nashville carousel will turn again so a fresh arm can come up.

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn it YOST

pinch hit now!!!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 2:21 PM CDT reply actions  

holy crap

that tennis match across the pond is still going?

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 2:25 PM CDT reply actions  

2 of them

one at the start of the 3rd set, one at 2:2 in the 5th.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 6, 2008 2:27 PM CDT up reply actions  

nadal on serve

3-4
anticipating calling it due to light soon and playing tomorrow instead.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 6, 2008 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we get CC

it’s going to be a tough call on who should make room for him

by warwick5s on Jul 6, 2008 2:27 PM CDT reply actions  

Sabathia threads

After the game, I’m going to make a new Sabathia fanshot and frontpage it, so we can move all trade rumors discussion there; it’s currently spread out over two threads (both started by me—my bad) and things are getting linked twice and even thrice.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 2:33 PM CDT reply actions  

A lot going on

Sabathia trade rumors, Braun all star starter, JJ’s hit streak, Hart’s final player vote, the Crew sneaking closer to both the division lead and the wild card berth. So much for July being a slow sports month.

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

By that time

The trade is probably done and we can have a CC is a Brewer thread.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 2:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

I like this JJ... a lot!

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 6, 2008 2:37 PM CDT reply actions  

I wish I could remember which local talk radio guy

referred to him as “light hitting” about two weeks ago

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 2:38 PM CDT reply actions  

Crew-Rockies series

first one to 15 wins each game

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 2:40 PM CDT reply actions  

I don’t think that simulation accounts for the state of the two bullpens and the fact the starters are out of the game

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

Melvin

Go get CC and sign Hart for long term, NOW!!!!!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 2:44 PM CDT reply actions  

come on

let Hart finish the game first :)

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions  

10 more votes for Corey on MLB.com!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 2:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

6-5 federer

in the 5th.
nadal up to serve

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 6, 2008 2:49 PM CDT reply actions  

6 6

no tiebreaks to be played in the final set.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 6, 2008 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Holy tennis!

This Federer/Nadal epic needs it’s own match thread. To quote Rock: “My goodness!”

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:06 PM CDT reply actions  

In case you were curious

Turnbow has his ERA down to 9.19!!! Maybe the Indians would consider Suppan and Turnbow for CC!!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 3:07 PM CDT reply actions  

Legendary

Can’t say I’ve ever seen tennis better than that. Was too young for McEnroe/Borg in, what was it, 1980?

Anyway, wow.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

Yeah

...but Ashe had help.

(too soon?)

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Incredible

It’s like the Thrilla in Manila of tennis.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:15 PM CDT up reply actions  

Well, you'd think ...

... he would. 30-15 Nadal Almost there. Who knows, though? This has had everything.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions  

Anybody know where Fielder and Braun rank

in avg. with RISP, It may just be me but I feel like i see this scenario so often, ducks on the pond, Braunny and Prince coming up, and the runners dont move an inch

by Scooter82 on Jul 6, 2008 3:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Riske is fine

just NO Mota or Shouse!!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Why

is Hart sitting? Ned is a prick!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 3:17 PM CDT reply actions  

You have no concept

The certainty that Hart will lose at bats is offset by the uncertainty that the pitchers spot would come up where we needed an actual hitter at the plate. Clearly it is better to prepare for the uncertain, unlikely to happen event rather than the certain.

This is the man that was worried about the triple play earlier this year.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh

nothing like a breath of fresh air, thanks!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 3:22 PM CDT up reply actions  

That was a tremendous

Game of tennis. I think there will soon be an new no1 of men’s tennis soon

by Saltire on Jul 6, 2008 3:18 PM CDT reply actions  

i disagree

nadal isn’t ready. he choked in the lead a few times in that match.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 6, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions  

He has won the last 2 Grand Slams

Beating Federer both times – straight sets the last time at the French Open

by Saltire on Jul 6, 2008 3:21 PM CDT up reply actions  

the french

is a gimme for nadal.

he’s the best on clay in the world, no doubt.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 6, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

SI just woke up from a week-long slumber

Brewers appear to have taken the lead in the Sabathia sweepstakes

Hey, I think I heard something about that…maybe from Badger Blogger?

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 3:22 PM CDT reply actions  

Actually

not BB, he is on vacation. This time the source was Lindsay Lohan!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 3:23 PM CDT up reply actions  

Rankings, schmankings

What does it matter who’s No. 1 in the world? It’s these two guys, and then everybody else.

Anyway, I still can’t believe the epic-ness of that match. Hey, aren’t the Brewers on right now or something? Maybe I should click over to FSN.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:23 PM CDT reply actions  

We got 'em

Ramblings has a link to a blog that says Sabathia is on his way.

Not the most definitive report, obviously, but here it is. Get your tickets for Tuesday.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:31 PM CDT reply actions  

What is Ramblings?

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go here

albethke.blogspot.com

It’s also linked to at mlbtraderumors.com

It’s super shaky, but where there’s smoke there’s fire, I say. Figured Mark A. would tell Doug to just get it done.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:36 PM CDT up reply actions  

Damn it!

I had tickets in a suite if I wanted em for Tuesday’s game. I may have to check if they’re still available.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 3:34 PM CDT up reply actions  

Discuss here.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 3:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

what are the Brewers slugging for this game?

I think there’s beens something like 9 doubles and homers already

by keephopealive on Jul 6, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

haha

love it

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Jul 6, 2008 3:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

Corey

would have made that a triple!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 3:32 PM CDT reply actions  

YHNC

That ball was grit powered. Almost 2.5 KUGs were involved.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 3:35 PM CDT reply actions  

Sabathia update

Rambling Al updates with a link to the source of the Sabathia trade confirmation. The blogger is the Indians beat writer for MLB.com

Incredible day for being a sports fan. Federer/Nadal living history happens on my TV, and the Brewers go big time and trade for Sabathia. Win now. Great philosophy. Let’s see what happens now …

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:42 PM CDT reply actions  

In other prospect news

Jonathan Lucroy homered twice, and Stosh Wawrzasek made his first start (against Rich Hill!), but it didn’t go well.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply actions  

Jeremy Jeffress

He “started” today for BC, entering the game in the 4th inning, and struck out 10 in 5 innings of work, but gave up 7 runs (5 earned) on 5 hits and 4 walks.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 3:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

Mota still sucks!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 3:59 PM CDT up reply actions  

I'd rather see a "fresh"

Mota stepping to the mound than a “fresh” Suppan…

by heybatterbatter on Jul 6, 2008 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

As long as

it it in a different uniform I don’t care!

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 4:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

Gagne or Torres?

The Wallbangers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!

by 80badger on Jul 6, 2008 4:00 PM CDT reply actions  

whoo-hoo

nice to get the sweep. now, on to some official CC news?

by Oakland Brewer Fan on Jul 6, 2008 4:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Anybody catch the post-game press conference with Yost?

He was talking about J.J. Hardy’s hot streak and said,

“I don’t even think Babe Ruth had a stretch like this.”

Oh, dear goodness. We’re all slowly becoming bumbling homers.

by ryan braun on Jul 6, 2008 7:24 PM CDT reply actions  

didn't

but yesterday he said something like he didn’t know that JJ had a hitting streak. Then he sort of contradicted himself and said he was scared of a double play because of the one that had happened earlier in the game.

I think he’s sort of accomplished what George Bush did. People are numb to the content of his comments and just accept that he’s not going anywhere.

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions  

By the way

From the AP recap:

Milwaukee last had nine doubles and 12 extra-base hits in an extra-inning game against Philadelphia on May 15, 2001.
That’s actually the team record; the nine doubles ties the team record too, accomplished four times.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 7:46 PM CDT reply actions  

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