Rumorville: TG Jr. for Greg Maddux
by roguejim on Jul 6, 2008 8:43 AM CDT
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The rumor mill is churning this morning with renewed vigor on the possibility of a Tony Gwynn for Greg Maddux trade with the Padres.
It's no secret that Gwynn would like to be playing full time and the Gwynn's are royalty in San Diego.
It's also no secret that the Brewers are in desperate need of starting pitching.
The trade rumors surrounding Greg Maddux reach far and wide and include pretty much every NL team there is. Maddux has a full no-trade clause, so he'll be a part of whatever decision is made. Conventional wisdom would say an aging pitcher would prefer sunny California to Milwaukee, but you never know.
Maddux clearly has a big contract and is on the down side of his career arc, but I can't imagine we'd be able to get him for just Tony Gwynn and I'm not sure how many guys we should be willing to give up in order to have Maddux for the rest of the season.
Lots of feel good stories here: Gwynn back in San Diego, the Maddux brothers reunited, etc. My favorite is the idea that Greg Maddux could be on the mound in Wrigley, against his old team, personally bouncing them from the 2008 playoffs as the regular season comes to a close.
Also, although he clearly isn't the pitcher he was 15 years ago, his numbers this season --- 4.04 ERA, 1.26 WHIP --- aren't bad at all, though, err, park-inspired. He signed a 1-year deal for $10 million.
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You know with how the starters have thrown recently I am not convinced this is an upgrade
I mean we aren’t giving up a blue chip prospect but how much better is Maddux than Bush or McClung right now? And to have to take on that salary? I guess I am kind of in the C.C. or bust camp right now.
I wouldn't fret too much over $4 million or so
Anyway, sure, Maddux probably wouldn’t be anything other than a league-average starter (but he’d be that with a high likelihood which is also valuable), but with the risk that “CC or bust” ends up being “bust”, stockpiling a few more arms like Maddux’ can only be a good idea, especially if it only costs us TG Jr. Just think of Maddux not as a rotation replacement for Bush or McClung – although he’d likely be that – but rather insurance against the near-inevitable pitcher injury.
Maddux has been awful his last two starts
In the last two starts he has given up 14 runs in 10.1 innings. Before those starts his era was 3.17, which is unbelievable, regardless of the park in which he pitches.
He’s pitching today, so it’ll be interesting to see what type of game he has. If the trade is just for TG jr. then I’d say pull the trigger and still try for Sabathia.
Could you imagine a rotation of Sheets, Sabathia, Parra, Suppan, and Maddux for the rest of the year? That would make for a fun second half.
it would be kind of cool to have his veteran grit on the team...
it would make a certain manager pretty happy…
go get em' seth!
Maddux has been mediocre this whole season.
He’s almost entirely a product of Petco this season. If Maddux would rather go to Milwaukee than Chicago (which I doubt, but it’s his no trade clause, not mine) I wouldn’t be upset in the lease.
I wonder
what effect would a TG Jr./Maddux trade have on the Sabathia negotiations.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
uhh
I wouldn’t throw Maddux against the Cubs in Wrigley Field, can you say, “5 runs in the first 4 innings?” He would help their playoff chances, not ours. Maybe if we could play all our games at Petco!
Doesn't add much
This one doesn’t excite me at all. By September, we could really use a CF on our 40 man roster who can run, bat left handed and get on base. I am totally behind the Sabathia push because of what he adds to our team.
However, starting pitching isn’t our only problem. We don’t have a lead-off hitter/second baseman. Despite hot hitting recently from Hall and Cameron, we have had serious problems from those two spots.
Now, I guess adding Maddux would allow us to buttress the bullpen by putting Bush/McClung back there, but I’ve really been impressed by the way McClung has been pitching. It seems like it would need to take a bonafide stud like CC for me to want to take him out of the rotation right now. (Even then, I would go for McClung staying in the rotation over Bush.)
by gantner's mustache on Jul 6, 2008 11:23 AM CDT reply actions
TGjr is probably a September call up
There is disdain for him here because he doesn’t hit HRs, but he fits this team really well. Besides, even if he were traded it should be for the best deal possible not a fleecing. Maddux is sort of an emergency purchase.
Much of the disdain for him here
is because he doesn’t hit much of anything. .300 in AAA, with few walks? Lame.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2008 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions
are there any
old-school GMs left who will only care about the BA and not the OBP?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Good question
there was a report recently that Jim Bowden told a Nats pitching prospect that he wanted to see Ws.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2008 9:40 PM CDT up reply actions
maybe it wasn't a suggestion
maybe he was genuinely curious to find out more about them.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2008 10:36 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, sure
like why they’re pronounced “double-U” instead of “double-V.”
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Melvin must have been lying when he said he has gotten a lot of calls for Tony
Defense, speed and hitting for average are clearly not that valuable.
you know, for someone as cynical as you
it’s amazing how willingly you will believe any random company-line BS. Or maybe you’re only doing that when it helps to further your personal narrative as the resident blog contrarian; it’s sometimes hard to tell where your actual opinions end and the baiting begins.
Only way I see this happening
If Suppan’s injury is revealed to be serious (my guess no), or someone gets hurt in the rotation before July 31 and is expected to miss significant time (more than 3 starts).
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
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