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Sabathia a Brewer!

In return, the Brewers sent the Indians Matt LaPorta and, according to the Wisconsin State Journal (thanks Zeyes), Zach Jackson, Rob Bryson, and a player-to-be-named-later.

[UPDATE]: Haudricourt confirms Jackson and Bryson and suggests that Taylor Green is the PTBNL.

[UPDATE 2]: Green's agent suggets Green might not be the PTBNL (thanks jihad).

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Who are the other two?

Cleveland squeeze Brantley and Green out of Doug?

I’m guessing the Brewers announce it immediately after the game today.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:46 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's what I figure too

The Huntsville game starts at 5 CT. I wonder if the lineup will come out before the Brewers game ends; if LaPorta isn’t in it, then it’s pretty much a sure thing.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 3:48 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Can't complain

I love exciting young talent as much as the next playoff-hungry Brewers fan, but if it is LaPorta/Green/Brantley, that doesn’t strike me as all that bad. Best of luck in Cleveland, Matt, but load up the rotation and try and scare the pants off these Cubs.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now I want this game to end ASAP so we can find out what the deal is

Looks like a CC start on Tuesday!

Can't pitch Gagne in rain. He’s like the B-2 bomber of baseball.--TheJay

by verno329 on Jul 6, 2008 3:47 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so who gets bumped from the starting five?

i’d say the way Bush has been pitching, he joins Benny and Manny. McClung’s skill would translate well to the BP, but boy has Suppan sucked. How about some tendiinitis?

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 3:50 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hope they don't think about sunk costs

McClung’s the proven multitool of pitchers: he can start, close, do your short relief, do your long relief, and he can get you some sacrifice hits or outfield singles if you really need a bat.

Suppan…what is he good for, other than needing McClung or Villanueva to relieve him when he can’t make it the heck out of the fourth inning?

by morineko on Jul 6, 2008 4:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Jeff Suppan will get his quality starts in. I won’t rag on him because of two bad starts at home, but he can’t leave the rotation if C.C. joins the club. It has to be McClung, he’s the one we know can contribute to the club outside of the starting five.

by ryan braun on Jul 6, 2008 4:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tuesday might not be his first start

I believe a player has 72 hours to report after a trade, so if CC wants to drag his feet or get family stuff wrapped up in Cleveland he might not be seen until Thursday. Assuming they have completed the trade.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 3:51 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I bet if the trade’s finalized and the Brewers want him to start Tuesday, CC will pitch Tuesday. He likes to pitch and I’m sure will want to get off to a good start in Milwaukee.

by APV on Jul 6, 2008 3:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Subtext

Brian Anderson just said something like, “Should be an exciting time for Brewers fans over the next 48 hours on the trade front.” They’re just dying to spill the beans. They must know something.

The team always does stuff immediately after games. Remember when Gabe Gross had a walk-off hit and then before he’s out of his uniform they announce he had been traded? They might even announce it on Brewers Live.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 3:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If it’s true, you guys are going to enjoy watching CC pitch the next few months. His combination of size and athleticism is something you don’t see too often, especially on a pitching mound. He does tend to over-pitch a bit in big-games, but he has really matured into an elite pitcher over the past several seasons. A quick survey of his numbers over at fangraphs will show you what a different pitcher he has become (keeping in mind that his 2008 numbers are pulled down by several inexplicably terrible starts to begin the season).

by APV on Jul 6, 2008 3:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Adam, you forgot to mention the dingers. Like, the ones he hits.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

true…he’s got some plate discipline issues, but his career hitting line is .300/.317/.475

/semi-sarc

by APV on Jul 6, 2008 4:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Old update?

mlbtraderumors.com links to some SI.com thing saying the Indians are still trying to get Escobar. Was that over in the game thread? Is that an old update from earlier?

Anyway, LaPorta and Escobar would be too much. Need to have Alcides for when J.J. signs with the D-backs.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 4:00 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You’ll have an easier time following the trade season if you ignore that site entirely.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   1 recs

Whoa.....wait....

We have a “Jay” to go along with “TheJay” now?
Confusing.

by NoahJ on Jul 6, 2008 5:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You can think of me as The Jay. That other guy is just the TheJay.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 5:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   2 recs

If the Brewers get CC

He should be allowed to play in a Milwaukee Indians uniform.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Jul 6, 2008 4:02 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Does anyone think that the Crew have a chance

Of signing CC to a long term deal at the end of the season?

by Saltire on Jul 6, 2008 4:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They definitely have a chance

Maybe not a good chance, but Attanasio has proven he’s willing to open his wallet, and Sabathia apparently enjoys Cleveland, which means he’ll also most likely enjoy Milwaukee, likes hitting, and doesn’t appear to be interested in wringing every last dollar out of the market. It almost seems like they’d have a better chance of signing him than Sheets.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 4:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not to be a party pooper here ...

... but I think it’s really unlikely the Brewers come close to offering what somebody with a load of cash to throw around will give Sabathia. You have to figure last year’s Zambrano deal is kind of the template for what both Sheets and Sabathia are looking for. That was 5 years/$91 million. Attanasio is willing to spend, but those kinds of dollars are pretty much out of the reach of teams like the Brewers.

I look at this trade as three of our prospects for three months of a great pitcher and two first-round draft picks. It’d be nice to keep Sabathia, but I’d be stunned if he signs here.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 4:10 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think the crew could go to that

The will be no money wasted on Gange or Mota next year.
And Sheets is already getting $12million this year

by Saltire on Jul 6, 2008 4:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

And would you prefer CC or Sheets for next year and beyond

Assuming that there contracts would be roughly the same I’m guessing something like 5 years $90 million, since there is no way we can afford both.

by Saltire on Jul 6, 2008 4:11 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Respectfully, I don’t see it.

The Indians will approach him in the offseason. There’s no real reason to think the Brewers outbid the Indians, and there’s no real reason to think Sabathia would prefer Milwaukee to Cleveland if the money were equal.

That’s not to say there’s anything better about Cleveland in general, only that Sabathia has spent his entire adult life in the Indians organization. I mean that literally — he was drafted six weeks before his 18th birthday and signed nine days after it.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 4:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I didn't mean to imply it was likely

Just that it’s not out of the question.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 6:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He turned down 4-5 and $76MM from the Indians, and the dispute was over years, not dollars. He probably wants 6, at least.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 4:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Alright game over

Odds that Davey Nelson stumbles through a report that the Brewers have traded for C.C Sabathia….pretty good

by Scooter82 on Jul 6, 2008 4:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

All over but the shouting, if you ask me

Haudricourt has a blog post about the deal now. Supposedly Cleveland will have a press conference tomorrow. It would suck to have to wait another day for this, but whatever. There’s too much talk getting out about how it appears to be done. I’d say it’s done.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A couple of club sources have told me the Brewers and Indians are still in heavy negotiations to try to conclude a deal for Cleveland left-hander C.C. Sabathia.
Whether a deal gets done or not, it’s a good sign for the Brewers that talks are still going on. That means they are still trying and the Indians are still listening.
The Indians are off tomorrow and a reporter in Cleveland told me he has been giving indications that a press conference will be taking place. That makes sense because it’s much easier to announce big deals on off days.

by oconnobe on Jul 6, 2008 4:15 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not too concerned

Apparently DM and MS are not into this whole blogosphere thing, doing it the old way and letting word come out at press conferences, my goodness. Annoying.

by ryan braun on Jul 6, 2008 4:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So, in case you haven’t noticed … you’ve got some visitors from LetsGoTribe here (including me).

Are you guys excited about this? Because we’re excited. Sad, but excited. Our whole season sucks anyway.

We were torn last year in trying to figure out if the Indians should open the prospect vault in order to “go for it.” But the fact is, your system is much deeper in impact prospects than ours was a year ago — it’s still a dilemma, but it seems like much less of one.

Is that how you guys see it?

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 4:22 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, pretty much

I don’t follow the minor league Brewers as much as many others around here, but it’s impossible to miss LaPorta’s amazing awesome-ness. But he’s a LF or 1B. Well, he’s living in Blocked City playing those positions in the Brewers organization right now. Plus, after the tease of last year, to be in a spot where there’s a good chance to go for the playoffs, well, they have to do everything they can.

The Brewers still have a tremendous amount of prospects in the system, and now they plug Sabathia into the rotation. Two No. 1 starters on the same team? Absolute rarity these days. Just stunned they’re in a position to go for it like this. So much fun to watch.

by Bay View Brewer on Jul 6, 2008 4:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

can't speak for everyone...

but I know I am. The Brewers would have two aces in their rotation and immediately become the favorites for the NL Wild Card, and should be in a position to give the Cubs a run as well.

I’m not happy about giving up Laporta, but assuming that Escobar is not included in the deal, our minor league system is still pretty well stocked. If the rumors are true and its Laporta and the two guys from single A, I would be elated.

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Jul 6, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Way I See It

Prospects are great to have, it makes baseball a lot more enjoyable, and gives every true baseball fan a few extra teams to root for. I think C.C., especially coming off the Cy Young last year, would really energize Milwaukee because, quite honestly, we’re sellers 99.9% of the time in the past. The last time we “bought” at the trade deadline was Don Sutton.

It’s going to be fun to watch, and I’m really excited to see what this team in Huntsville will do. LaPorta and Gamel are going to rake once they get to the majors.

by ryan braun on Jul 6, 2008 4:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Post Game Show

Craig and Davey just reported LaPorta is not playing today, but they haven’t heard anything official about any trades.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 6, 2008 4:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Escobar, Gamel and Salome are playing today, for everyone following this particular tea leaf.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

huntsville lineup today

Parejo CF
Escobar RF
Gamel 3B
Salome DH
Gillespie LF
Hopf 1B
Bell 2B
Garciaparra SS
Maldonado C
Wright P

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 6, 2008 5:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

that's what milb has.

ryan crew is the only other OF listed on the roster.
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?t=t_ibp&cid=559&stn=true&sid=t559

and it looks like he is just back from the DL…

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 6, 2008 5:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Has Escobar played in the outfield before?

Maybe I’m just ignorant, but I’ve never heard of him in the OF, especially not with his defensive prowess at shortstop.

by NoahJ on Jul 6, 2008 5:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

actually, they just switched it.

http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/milb/stats/stats.jsp?sid=milb&t=g_box&gid=2008_07_06_biraax_hunaax_1

now escobar at ss, and garciaparra in rf

makes more sense not to move your top SS in an “emergency” fill in like that.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 6, 2008 5:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok

I was wondering what they were thinking there for a second.

by NoahJ on Jul 6, 2008 5:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so...

Chris Errecart, and Michael Brantley are the other “regulars” not playing today.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 6, 2008 5:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are both hurt

correct?

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 6, 2008 5:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oh. maybe...

couldn’t find anything, but brantley last played 6/26 and errercart ph, 7/4.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 6, 2008 5:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Here.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 6, 2008 5:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and

here

errercart has broken hand.
brantley has sprained ankle.

thanks MadJimiBrewha

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by jacob on Jul 6, 2008 5:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The Crew

is a season high 10 games over .500 and is about to be tied for the wild card.

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 4:59 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

brevard county

cain, and green both played today for brevard county. (of other names mentioned).

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 6, 2008 5:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He who shall not be named

says the Brewers and Indians were still in “heavy negotiations” as of an hour twenty minutes ago.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2008 5:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Lorenzo Cain not going to be in the deal

according to the nameless one. Going to take Laporta’s spot instead.

by NoahJ on Jul 6, 2008 5:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Glad to read

Escobar doesn’t seem to be included.

"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."

by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 6, 2008 5:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Escobar seemed an unlikely trade piece all along. The Brewers obviously value him, and the Indians are really big on walk rates. Players that get included in trades generally are valued a little more by the receiving team than the sending team, not the other way around.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 5:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Congratulations to you guys for acquiring CC; we’ll miss him greatly in Cleveland.

Railing against the sacrifice bunt since 2000.

by jdudas on Jul 6, 2008 5:31 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Moustache needs to be careful

that the Indians don’t try to white out “C.C. Sabathia” and write over “Jeff Weaver” in the written agreement. Those sly dogs!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2008 5:32 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We would never dupe you into signing Weaver. Halama, on the other hand…

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 5:44 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Naw, man, we’d get you Halama at least.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 6:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Assuming that it's a done deal

When his plane comes into Mitchell Field, someone should point out the “Welcome to Cleveland” sign on the roof and tell him the whole thing was a joke.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Jul 6, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

sheesh

the CNNSI caption on the front page says that the brewers deal may include “Matt LaPorte”

by Stoa on Jul 6, 2008 6:04 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Heyyyy

so we keep LaPorta then? Not bad!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2008 6:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Assuming the stories are right … congratulations to all you Brewers fans, you’re getting one hell of a pitcher.

Lots of Indians fans would tell you that they became instant Brewers fans after the way Milwaukee greeted the Indians for that home-away-from-home series last April. It’s tough to see him go, but it feels good seeing him go to the team that those fans are rooting for — and, frankly, to see him going to another small-market team.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 6:19 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

A lot of us

became Indians fans because of that as well. Although I think almost everyone on this board is a slight fan of whoever Grady is playing for.

by Braunstalker on Jul 6, 2008 6:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Really? Why Grady?

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 6:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They’re a bunch of 12-year-old girls here apparently.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 6, 2008 10:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ditto

You guys are getting what everyone says is the next Braun-Albert Pujols type, and I hope he pans out that way.

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Jul 6, 2008 6:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Thank you, very gracious.

Just talked to my brother in Cleveland. The news is already on talk radio, and the idiots are saying “They just traded the Cy Young winner for one Double-A prospect!!!!!”

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 6:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was over at your place

Is DocNo insane all the time, or just today? LaPorta plus Gallardo/Parra? Parra by himself would have been overpaying and defeated the purpose of the deal.

And I would be very surprised if LaPorta doesn’t report to AAA and is promoted to the big league roster in September.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 6:40 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tensions are high, man. You guys have only had to deal with the C.C. thing for, what, a month? We’ve been doing this since last November, if not earlier.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 6:42 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The insane part

is that neither Parra or Gallardo are prospects. They are legit major league starters with 4+ years of club control after 2008. If YoGa was healthy this year, the only reason the Brewers would even be sniffing at CC is to keep him away from the Cubs. It’s ok to rate your guys pretty high and want a lot in return, but you need to value your trading partners talent appropriately. And if you guys wanted pitching, you came to the wrong organization.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 6:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I get you. I’m just saying, for a serious Tribe fan, this is the culmination of 8 months of beard scratching and bar pounding. So, with no intent of defending or offending anybody, I will say you’re unlikely to get any of us at our most rational right now.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 6:56 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

now you know how we feel

every year with the Favre retirement talk!

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 6:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ha, I’m a Marquette grad, so I’ve got some familiarity with that as well.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

thanks for watching my back, fleerdon.

by DocNo on Jul 7, 2008 7:47 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Agreed, and if you were over there, you know that that’s what I told him.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

is that me you smacked around last night jay? didn’t notice, but anyway I agree that I was reaching way too high mentioning Gallardo & Parra.

by DocNo on Jul 7, 2008 7:49 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LOL

no, not insane all the time, but more than occasionally in some state of intoxication, which was the case last night (I’m also in Europe, so I have a 6-hour head start on the beers in comparison to the other posters). So yeah, on the overreaction indictment I plea guilty as charged.

I must say (in my own defense) that I did not realistically expect that CC would land us either Gallardo or Parra in return, even if it sounded that way (please don’t quote). But it sure would have been nice.
Is LaPorta + minor-league roster-fodder enough? I guess that will depend on whether LaP goes Braun or Marte* next year.

  • Cf. Marte, Andy: resigned disillusionment about can’t-miss hitting prospects, p.2007-8.

by DocNo on Jul 7, 2008 7:46 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, thank you, Brewers, for giving me a team I can hopefully still be rooting for this October.

If you should happen to encounter Sox of any color on your way to the championship, please break them into tiny bits.

by still ill on Jul 6, 2008 6:43 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

or by some weird chance some guy named Justin.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 6, 2008 10:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

yeah, i’m hoping that’s not even a possibility, but…

if you meet Justin, make him weep. he’s an emotional guy.

by still ill on Jul 7, 2008 1:16 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Odd man out

Since no one on the ML roster is mentioned as being part of the deal…........who is the odd man out to make room for CC?

by statsllc on Jul 6, 2008 6:21 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

not sure

but i’m wondering who is the odd man out of the rotation, as mentioned earlier in the thread. Suppan has pitched the worse by far, but I doubt they would move him to the bullpen. Bush or McClung is the most likely move, although both have pitched well enough to stay in. Good problem to have, I guess.

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Jul 6, 2008 6:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I suspect Stetter

He’s the only pitcher on the team that can be optioned and throwing two innings today means he likely wouldn’t be available even for lefty specialist duties for a day or two anyway. If it’s not Stetter, then it’s probably Joe Dillon.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jul 6, 2008 7:03 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

oooh

I could see them dropping Dillon.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Jul 6, 2008 8:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It's my understanding...

That the Brewers included Jeffries but sabotaged the deal by sending him to both OAR shows at Summerfest this week.

by Rawiswar on Jul 6, 2008 6:21 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

I’ve been laughing for about a minute at this.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 6:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nice one

Ichiro, on facing Daisuke Matsuzaka for the first time: "I hope he arouses the fire that's dormant in the innermost recesses of my soul."

by DaleCoop14 on Jul 6, 2008 9:58 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wikipedia

It says the trade went down, and everyone knows, it is rarely wrong.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Jul 6, 2008 6:26 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wikipedia is the most horrendously First!-infested web site ever.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well, I know it's not worth much...

... but in my opinion this is a mistake unless one of the the following 3 things happen:

1) The Brewers end up in the Series this year with a healthy Sabathia slated to start 2 games.

2) The Brewers somehow end up signing Sabathia to an extension.

3) LaPorta turns into a present-day Glen Braggs.

None of those seem very likely to me. Of course, the 4th possibility is that Jack Z rebalances the deal in the Brewers favor by hitting the jackpot with the compensation picks we’ll get when Sabathia leaves.

Go Brewers!

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2008 6:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree...

This is a team that has not been in the playoffs for 26 years. If they make the playoffs due to strong performances by CC, then it is a success. No matter what happens in the playoffs, it would be worth it just to give us the chance to move on.

The trade is a failure if CC sucks, gets injured or doesn’t notice Counsell beneath him and squashes him while walking through the clubhouse.

by Rawiswar on Jul 6, 2008 6:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

but the thing is

you can’t predict what will happen once you make the playoffs. I can guarantee you that the Brewers won’t win the World Series if they don’t make the playoffs.

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 8:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

True

Provided the AA team only lost Laporta, I don’t think this trade will hurt our chances next year. If we make the playoffs though, it’ll definitely look to the casual Brewer fan like we’re making progress, and fans will buy tickets in record numbers again next year.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Jul 6, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

It means a lot of money, actually

Money to sign free agents and draft picks.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 8:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Ok.

They’ll need it to sign all those extra picks again next year.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2008 8:35 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I would ammend

number 1 to state that the Brewers make the playoffs. Once the playoffs start anything can happen with such short series. If everyone stays healthy and the Crew has Sheets and Sabthia pitching in a best of 5 then I will take my chances. If we have to give up a few prospects (even 1 great prospect) for a better chance at the first playoff berth since 1982 then Moustache had to make the deal.

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 6:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear you.

The idea of being able to run out Sheets/Sabathia 1-2 in a playoff series does make me feel better about our chances for success should we get there.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2008 8:12 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

as long

as Yost doesn’t channel Lou and pull Sheets early from game 1 to save him for game 4!

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 8:14 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Given Yost's pattern this year

“Early” would be 125 pitches into the game

by 54438Crew on Jul 6, 2008 8:15 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

No kidding.

And I’m guessing Sabathia will get the same treatment once they confirm they can’t sign him before he hits free agency. I’d hate to see how Ned treats his rental cars.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2008 8:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I hear you

But there are too many prospects and given that and the opportunity to compete I like the way it worked out (so far).

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 6:57 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I think we are certainly better if we do make the playoffs

I’ve always been worried about us making the playoffs and not having the pitching to win us a series. But with Sheets Sabathia Parra and Soup going for the playoffs I’d feel a lot better about winning a series

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by verno329 on Jul 6, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

bbtn

they still haven’t reported the sabathia trade…not sure whether to laugh at them or be worried.

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Jul 6, 2008 6:55 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I love it something you'd expect to be headline news on Baseball Tonight

gets the last 30 seconds of the show, barely squeaking in there.
Most important line though
WATCH OUT FOR THE BREWERS!!!

by Scooter82 on Jul 6, 2008 7:02 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got all excited about the small market team getting some airtime

But then I realized that the only people watching BBTN at 7 o’clock on a Sunday are Yankees-Red Sox fans and Brewers fans desperate for their moment in the sun. It’s just that darn ESPN New York biased media. My Goodness.

by ryan braun on Jul 6, 2008 7:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

What value to put on

keeping Sabathia away from the Cubs, and their unique combination of talent and money? With the Cubs offense, giving them Big Z and CC in a short series would be a difficult hill to climb. With their rotation as it is now, they may be pressed to make the playoffs if the Cards keep playing well.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 6:56 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

if they don't make the playoffs

the team should hire grief counselors and set up hotlines for anyone feeling desperate.

by ol Pete on Jul 6, 2008 7:01 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One side effect

Us getting him might push the Cubs to trade away their future for one of the other available pitchers.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Jul 6, 2008 7:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That would be a plus for you — especially since “one of the other available” won’t be a reigning Cy Young.

First strike is usually best when it comes to the trade season — for both sides.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 7:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Is this

the high point of being a Brewers fan since 1982? We have two number one starters, a stacked lineup, a loaded minor league system, a good front office, the best record in a long time, and a summer pennant race(s) against our 2 biggest rivals.

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 7:02 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not until

we actually make the playoffs.

"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder

by SRB on Jul 6, 2008 7:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

If you can't tell

I am a little fired up right now!

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 7:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

ESPN

finally reported it on baseball tonight.

The Brewers have won the C.C. Sabathia sweepstakes-Ken Rosenthal

by baseballdan1092 on Jul 6, 2008 7:03 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Now we need to make sure he starts Tuesday

That means he can start Sunday before the ASB and then Thursday coming off the break. Work that horse! I’d like to see McClung back to the pen as he has experience in the pen and probably could fit in very well there.

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by dixieflatline on Jul 6, 2008 7:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I was thinking the exact opposite

You leave Seth in the rotation because he has just gotten to the point of being used to pitch 6-7 innings for the first time in many years. His stamina would probably fall off more quickly than Bush, and the biggest benefit the long guy gives you is to step back into the rotation in the event of an injury.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 7:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You've played right into our hands!

The Cubs’ platoon splits favor hitting against LHP.

Seriously, though, I’m not really sure this radically changes the playoff odds for either team; the Brewers are probably a better team than the Cards and the East and West aren’t impressive this year, so I think two teams come out of the Central this year.

I has a blog.

by cwyers on Jul 6, 2008 7:06 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well it may not affect our odds of making the playoffs

but it definately affects our odds of Winning the Central and going deep into the Playoffs should we get there

by Scooter82 on Jul 6, 2008 7:09 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

To restate

Firing a double-barreled ace shotgun of Sheets and Sabathia in the playoffs would be nifty.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'd say it changes their playoff chance greatly

If you assume they are 1.5 games better now that translates to about a 15% increase if you believe BP’s numbers. So something like 70% instead of the 55% or so they were after the win today.

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by dixieflatline on Jul 6, 2008 7:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

BP's playoff odds are based on the assumption that the Cardinals were as good...

...as their third-order win percentage. I don’t think that expecting their run prevention to continue to be this good is any more realistic than assuming a month ago that Fielder wasn’t going to hit home runs. That’s my hunch, at least.

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by cwyers on Jul 6, 2008 7:19 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I disagree

I think the Cards are about as good as BP things. .505 team or so. Teams like that can play .540 ball over a half easy. Look at the cards in the first half.

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by dixieflatline on Jul 6, 2008 7:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In the first half they had Wainwright.

Losing Wainwright is bad enough, but the Cardinals were already piecing together their bullpen with bailing wire and twine. Reportedly Mulder is going to be back in the rotation soon, and I don’t think he’s anywhere near ready for it. So I see them falling off a bit.

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by cwyers on Jul 6, 2008 7:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Well Carp might come back

I agree that they SHOULD fall back but now over less than 80 games they could still play well.

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by dixieflatline on Jul 6, 2008 7:25 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough.

While I’m over here… is Villanueva in your guys’ pen right now?

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by cwyers on Jul 6, 2008 7:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Probably not

Game ended a few hours ago!

"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder

by SRB on Jul 6, 2008 7:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Pre-trade.

9 games started and 23 appearances. I think your rotation is Sheets, McClung, Parra, Suppan and Bush, but I’m not 100% certain.

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by cwyers on Jul 6, 2008 7:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, that's right

He’s still in the ‘pen, kind of a long man / middle reliever I believe. Although, Mike Maddux says roles are defined by the pitcher.

If he's the Prince, then I'm the King.

by ryan braun on Jul 6, 2008 7:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm not sure about Shouse

I thought I heard only Stetter had options. But that might have been out of the guys we definitely don’t want in the bullpen, only Stetter has options. Villy ain’t going to AAA, and Shouse is a 39 year old reliever who hasn’t hit free agency yet so I’m guessing his options were used up some time ago.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 7:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey, look at that!

A fan from another team showed up on an opponents blog and no one cursed at him or told him to leave. I wonder how that happened? Oh yeah. We’re not Cubs fans.

Nice to see ya cwyers.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2008 8:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You're probably right

Unless Atlanta stops being absurdly unlucky. I would much rather set my sights on the guaranteed spot, which this addition arguably tips towards Milwaukee.

"My thing is that you guys eat meat all day and you can't hit a ball. That's my thing." - P. Fielder

by SRB on Jul 6, 2008 7:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

One thing's for sure

The Brewers just acquired the best player named Carsten in major league history.

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by TheJay on Jul 6, 2008 7:10 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

so

if the Brewers win the title this year there will be a bunch of babies in the Milwaukee area named Carsten next summer?

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 7:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

pretty good day, huh?

-The Brewers beat the Pirates 11-6 to finish off a sweep
-Braun named an All-Star starter, Sheets also on the team
-They pull into a tie for the NL Wild Card
-They trade for the reigning AL Cy Young winner

Not a bad days work.

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Jul 6, 2008 7:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Great day!

Didn’t think about it that way. There was a collective breath of relief now that the trade is out and about and ESPN’d. TH can only do so much to make me feel good, despite his “trust me, this is a done deal.”

by ryan braun on Jul 6, 2008 7:22 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 7:24 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I'm wondering

if cub fan votes pushed Braun over the edge.
they know he has an injured hand and wants to participate in the home run derby. If he makes the starters, he’ll probably get that option and won’t get enough rest to become a major force in the second half.

evil cub fans.

by PagsBrewCrew on Jul 7, 2008 2:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

are we

...allowed to give Haudricourt credit now for doing old-fashioned reporting, keeping fans in the loop throughout the process, and being the first to break the scoop? We’ve linked to his report, does that mean we’re acknowledging that indeed there may be some areas in which it is useful to read information supplied by the beat reporters?

(Yes, his access gives him a decided advantage over bloggers and he’s obviously doing his job. But its nice to have the hometown reporter be the lead on this story—not the Indians, not ESPN, not anybody else. Everything he knew, we knew. For all the grief he’s taken around here, I just wanted to say: Well done Tom H.)

by James Stanley Cocanower on Jul 6, 2008 7:25 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I have no complaints about today's coverage

But looking back over the last couple days, he was consistently behind the curve on the trade news, even going to so far to insist that team would never trade LaPorta. There are just too many “in my opinions” in those trade diaries. Even today, the Indians’ beat writer broke the story that it was official.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 7:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

indians guy

I wouldn’t say the Indians guy broke the trade – didn’t he write about it on his own personal blog and say it was a rumor?

It should also be pointed out that other media outlets put out information that turned out to be wrong too, floating Escobar and Hardy’s names.

YoGanna win with Gallardo on the mound.

by Griswald on Jul 6, 2008 7:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Look, I’ve got no dog in this hunt — I don’t care about Hardricourt one way or another — but he was definitely ahead of the Indians reporters today. Apparently ahead in getting the information, definitely ahead in reporting it.

The Indians.com guy reported that it was more or less a done deal early this afternoon. He later recanted, quoting Shapiro as saying it was “definitively not a done deal.” The Cleveland newspaper beat guys knew and/or reported even less.

I would say Hardricourt definitely broke the story that the deal was definitely done.

by Jay on Jul 6, 2008 7:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Fair enough

I didn’t know the Indians’ writer subsequently recanted. Like I said, I think Tom did fine today, but I wouldn’t generalize my satisfaction to the entire coverage of the rumors over the last week or so.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 7:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

You've got to cut the Indians beat reporters some slack here though...

... since their sources inside the Indians organization had an interest in muddying the waters while in this case the Brewers organization had every reason to be forthcoming with Haudricourt. I’m willing to give TH credit for getting it right, but it makes sense in these circumstances for the Brewers beat guy to get the story before his counterparts who cover the Indians.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2008 8:41 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

technically

there is no “we” here. “we” didn’t all collectively decide never to link JS again.

the no-linking policy is mine and mine only. and one day of not sub-standard reporting isn’t going to change that.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

How long

until we find out the full details of the trade? Tonight or at the presser tomorrow?

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 7:35 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure if its been stated

But does anyone know what time the press conference is scheduled for tomorrow?

by NoahJ on Jul 6, 2008 7:41 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Tatis

just hit a 2 run HR for the Mets in the top of the 12th. Astros and Braves still going in the bottom of the 16th.

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 7:42 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Peter Gammons reports (via David Pinto) that no contract extension was involved in the trade talks.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 7:57 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

So...let's talk nicknames

How about C.C. “Black” Sabathia, with “Electric Funeral” as his theme song?

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 8:01 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

In honor of CC DeVille

shouldn’t it be something by Poison? How about the song “Livin’ in the Now”

blank”>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poison(band)

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 8:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

the link dropped off the band part

I am not trying to say this trade is poison.

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 8:05 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

When you’re a 6-foot-7, 300-pound black man who can throw 97 MPH and is named Carsten Charles Sabathia, you don’t tend to need a nickname. But I wish you luck.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 11:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Crooked Cap and Captain Cheeseburger have seen occasional use, though.

by still ill on Jul 7, 2008 1:18 AM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I guess I should update the prospect rankings, eh?

I’ll try to get that done tonight.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 8:02 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cubs' response?

From Will Carroll:

In calls around the league, here’s some blind quotes:

..."The Cubs will react quickly to any deals in their division."

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 8:05 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sabathia himself confirms it!
In a text message to ESPN.com’s Amy K. Nelson, Sabathia all but confirmed the deal.

“I’m good, excited,” Sabathia wrote. “It’s weird leaving these guys.”

link

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 8:12 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Apropos your signature

Carlos Lee moved in to third base as a fifth infielder when the Braves had the bases loaded and no one out in the bottom of the 17th.

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by TheJay on Jul 6, 2008 8:16 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Out of curiousity...

Who are the other two minor leaguers?

by Rawiswar on Jul 6, 2008 8:14 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Not sure yet

Taylor Green played today for Brevard County , but it seems pretty likely that he’s one of them.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 8:17 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey guys, visitor from Red Reporter here

Congrats on getting CC. I’m not really excited having him in the same division as the Reds, but I think this makes you guys the team to beat in the Central. So, by all means, please win the division, and make all of the Cubs fans cry.

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by BK on Jul 6, 2008 8:20 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Awesome!!!

I was hesitant about giving away too much during this whole leadup, but now I have to say that all concerns aside, this feels terrific. For the first time since 1992, we have a shot at winning the big one. Compare that to five years ago, it just feels good to be in the game. In previous years, we never even had the chance to screw this up. I remember lamenting that we would build Miller Park, which would be the nicest AAA stadium by 2012, and here we are, absolutely relevant. Obviously, if Laporta becomes a perennial all-star, and the Brewers make the playoffs or Sabathia stinks it up, I’ll be upset, but this is trade you have to make.

by keephopealive on Jul 6, 2008 8:27 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cain promoted

It was pretty much a given that Cain would be the OF receiving a bump to AA in the wake of LaPorta’s departure, but MLBTR reports he’s already been promoted.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 8:30 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Interesting to see

if the Indians organization starts LaPorta in Buffalo and, if so, how long before he makes it to the big show.

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 8:36 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That scares me

If Cain was promoted, he’s not part of the deal. Who else at Brevard would/could be included in this. I am sceered that Jeffries might be part of this, and that would make me less thrilled about the deal.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 8:46 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We already knew Cain wasn't part of the deal

And why assume that the third player was from Brevard?

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 8:47 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They are talking low level prospect

No one in AA fits that description, and I’m assuming that most of the guys in West Virginia haven’t been with the organization more than a year.

by Getting Yosted on Jul 6, 2008 8:50 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Sidebar

check out the sidebar to the ESPN article about where Sabathia would rank in club history if he had been in Milwaukee his whole career

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3475667

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 8:38 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

They're still in denial over at the other BCB...

... with some posting that the trade isn’t finalized and is a “prediction” at this point, while Al himself has mentioned repeatedly how embarassed the Brewers organization will be when/if the deal falls through at the last moment.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2008 8:45 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I don't mind getting jumped but

to act like the acquisition of CC isn’t that important is just ridiculous.

by brewfan2 on Jul 6, 2008 9:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Eh, it was my own fault

with my L avatar and signature, I suppose I brought some of it on myself. Still, the season-ending series vs the Cubs could be incredible.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2008 9:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i think that they think

your signature is you, and not one of them… unattributed and all… know what i mean?

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 6, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That's how I took it too.

Which made it even funnier than it otherwise would have been.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 6, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I got that impression too

though it would have been funny to explain, I didn’t want to start another BCB dust-up.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2008 9:53 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

i actually prefer the confusion

it’s way funnier.

Bring Back The Old Logo!

by jacob on Jul 6, 2008 10:04 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yes, it's entertaining to read

2 separate posters have written that the Brewers were 9 games under .500 at one point this year. Glad they check their facts.

by oconnobe on Jul 6, 2008 8:52 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Wary of the deal

But’s let’s go…

I am pro-Cameron

by Lake County on Jul 6, 2008 8:53 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   0 recs

a report at the WI State Journal

claims that the trade is Sabathia for LaPorta, pitchers Zach Jackson and Rob Bryson, and a PTBNL.

by Zeyes on Jul 6, 2008 9:16 PM CDT reply reply actions actions   1 recs

That would be fantastic

Jackson is nothing, and Bryson, though promising, is a long way from every being anything.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 9:20 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’d be thrilled if they didn’t have to give up Green. He’s one of my favorites because of his versatility at 2nd or 3rd and the fact that he’s hitting in Space Ghost Stadium.

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 6, 2008 9:21 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Plus

it sounds like he’s the only player in the entire organization who can field third base.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2008 9:34 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Branyan says hello

(I don’t know why he’s saying hello, though.)

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 6, 2008 9:38 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's from Georgia.

He’s gotta be excessively polite.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 9:39 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's still with the team?

Haven’t seen him around for a while.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jul 6, 2008 9:54 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Bryson is a nice sleeper pick, yeah

but definitely nobody worth losing any sleep over. Jackson can become a killer setup guy in the AL for all I care (and I do care, a little bit anyway…maybe the guy just needs a change of scenery).

by Zeyes on Jul 6, 2008 9:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Haudricourt confirms

link.

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by TheJay on Jul 6, 2008 9:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

and goes beyond it and

insinuates the PTBNL could well be Green, after all…makes sense, I suppose. If it’s anybody less than that, the trade starts looking a bit lopsided IMO.

by Zeyes on Jul 6, 2008 9:27 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I agree

I wonder why Green is listed as a PTBNL though?

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 9:28 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

He's not dinged up or anything is he?

Or maybe it’s that they want to look at his glove more?

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by TheJay on Jul 6, 2008 9:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Nevermind

Says the Injuns want to evaluate Green as a second baseman. I wonder if that means the Brewers will oblige and play him there a bit at Brevard.

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 9:30 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Weird

isn’t the consensus that he’s really good at second and is stretched at third?

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 6, 2008 9:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Yeah, essentially

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 9:31 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Cain?

I’d rather give him up than Green.

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 6, 2008 9:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

I really like Cain

He can play center, but isn’t because of Darren Ford. He’s got much better tools than Green, also. As I’ve said many times before, I can’t wait to see what he does once he gets out of Brevard (though the same can be rightly applied to Green).

He's extremely quick and good.

by battlekow on Jul 6, 2008 9:37 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

wow

why do they want Zach Jackson?

by molitorfan on Jul 6, 2008 9:29 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

They want a pitcher

to come in and give up five runs.

by Tom (RFTN) on Jul 6, 2008 10:13 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

We already have that in Brian Slocum and Tom Mastny.

Or, if you mean as a starter, we have two of those as well.

Dear Mr. Sabean, I hear you have a reputation of being stupid. Want to deal Lincecum or Cain? You can pick THREE of these 4 players for either: Borowski, Dellucci, Blake, Byrd.

by westbrook on Jul 6, 2008 11:00 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Hey

If the Brewers hadn’t been shrewd enough to get Sexson, then trade him for Overbay, then trade him for Jackson, we wouldn’t have C.C. Sabathia right now, would we?

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 6, 2008 10:26 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

The deal seems like it was essentially LaPorta-Green-Bryson, no? We may be in need of some warm bodies in the rotation this year with Westbrook and Carmona hurt, C.C. traded, and Byrd likely to follow. Could be that Jackson was just a throw-in.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 11:18 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

Should add, Jackson vs. the Tigers ought to be a hoot.

by fleerdon on Jul 6, 2008 11:23 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

That 30 run output the Rangers had last year?

Their distinction is in severe danger.

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by Jordan M on Jul 6, 2008 11:32 PM CDT to parent up reply reply actions actions   0 recs

LaPorta quote on rumors (obviously from before the trade was confirmed)
“It’s kind of flattering to have your name being brought up for one of the best pitchers in the game,” LaPorta said. “There would be no hard feelings one way or another. This is a business, and I understand that.”

He found out about his name being brought up when some teammates told him a couple of days ago that they’d seen his name on ESPN.

Don Money tried to be funny:

Stars manager Don Money joked that he would be the last to hear about it if a trade happened.

“CNN,” Money said, pointing toward his television. “That’s how I’ll find out about it. I listen to the TV, and I know the deadline is (July) 31st. That’s about all I know.”