Rich Harden traded to Cubs
Ruh roh. Apparently Sean Gallagher is going to Oakland. Hat tip to Supertramp.
UPDATE: Harden and Chad Gaudin for Sean Gallagher, Matt Murton, Eric Patterson, and Josh Donaldson
about 1 year ago
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Gallagher, Donaldson, Patterson and Murton go to As; Cubs get Harden and Chad Gaudin. Per Hendry’s press conference.
by cwyers on Jul 8, 2008 5:42 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Looks like a good trade
only problem is that Harden gets hurt every other start.
by brewfan2 on Jul 8, 2008 5:43 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Kind of like Ben Sheets
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by Hammer on Jul 8, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Go away
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 8, 2008 5:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
not trolling
just saying that the two pitchers are similar. Both dominant and both prone
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by Hammer on Jul 8, 2008 5:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except that Harden's were on the elbow and shoulder.
by brewfan2 on Jul 8, 2008 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta agree with hammer though.
There’s just as good a chance that Sheets gets injured as Harden does. I think this move guarantees we gotta hope for a wild card spot.
by BrewMaster on Jul 8, 2008 5:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Obviously I'd like the division.
But I think the Cubs are pretty damn good. Look at that rotation:
Zambrano
Harden
Dempster
Lilly
Marshall/Gaudin
All 6 of those guys are good pitchers, and thats a scary rotation. We’ve got our 3, but they’ve got 5.
by BrewMaster on Jul 8, 2008 6:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right
my point is that the moves negate each other…I think negate is the right word?
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by Hammer on Jul 8, 2008 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which moves?
We didn’t just trade for Sheets.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 8, 2008 6:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap
I guess I have to trade him from my fantasy team now. On the bright side I’ll be trading him before the injury bug bites again.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 8, 2008 5:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting write-up
On his previous injuries. The jist of it being:
The good news: He is young and can heal quickly, and also has time to change his workout and rehabilitation habits.
The bad news: once a ligament is sprained, whether its in your ankle or elbow, it is always more susceptible to getting hurt again because it loses its intrinsic strength. When a ligament is merely sprained, it can take 6-8 weeks for it to heal.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 8, 2008 6:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Well
I was hoping the Cubs would be silly enough to get Randy Wolf. Unfortunately, I think this is a good deal for them. I’m happy Murton is going to be given a chance, too.
My non-embarrassing thoughts on the Brewers:
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by nmc on Jul 8, 2008 6:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
It is a good deal for them
If they can keep Harden healthy, it’s a better deal than we got.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 8, 2008 6:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn
this is a good trade for them.
by molitorfan on Jul 8, 2008 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This was reported from Harden's last start.
Harden did not. His truncated evening ended with his most electric moment of the night, striking out Guerrero with runners at first and second with two outs in the fifth, but his final line was pretty ho-hum by his lofty standards: five hits and a walk with five strikeouts. He never topped 93 mph on the radar gun and was far more frequently checking in at 87-89.
I’m not saying anything, I’m just throwing this out there.
by brewfan2 on Jul 8, 2008 6:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry, this was from Harden's second to last start which lasted 5 innings
His last start he lost and again only lasted 5 innings.
by brewfan2 on Jul 8, 2008 6:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was surprised
Beane would trade Harden so quickly without even starting a bidding war. I get the feeling he’s seen enough of Harden’s injuries to realize something could happen at anytime and that it’s better to get what he can now while he’s still healthy, than wait for more offers and risk getting nothing due to injury.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Faaaaaaaaaaaaccccccckkkkk
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jul 8, 2008 6:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I want another trade now. Brewers could have gotten Harden, too. The Cubs get him for rags? RAGS?
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jul 8, 2008 6:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if I could stand
Sheets and Harden on the same team. Instead of every 1 out of 5 games crossing my fingers, it would be 2 out of every 5. I don’t have enough money to buy that much beer.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Jul 8, 2008 6:17 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
there isnt
a single pitcher anywhere in the brewers system as good as sean gallagher
by ACB on Jul 8, 2008 6:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
details
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jul 8, 2008 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
i dont mean that in a mean way- the brewers system is light years ahead of the cubs but Gallagher is a really good arm
by ACB on Jul 8, 2008 6:23 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think you overvalue gallagher
John Sickels gave both Gallagher and Jeffress a B. Manny Parra got a B+
pretty good deal for the cubs. unless you believe the theory about building a pitcher’s arm up little by little year to year. Cause if you do, it might be smart to shut him down for ‘08 to get him ready for the 120 or so innings he should be able to handle in ‘09. ;)
i’m going to have to concede that the injury risk had to have something to do with the As not getting an ‘A’ prospect. there is talk that he might be hurt right now, or that he’s spent for the season. but the talent harden represents, when healthy, should’ve attracted an ‘A’ prospect.
i read the A’s nation thread. they hate it. a lot.
i like murton, i think he can be an average player, gallagher can probably stick as a starter at the ML level, he doesn’t have the k% in the minors to rise above #4/#5 slot though, e-pat is a nice reserve infielder (i think people underrate his defense), and donaldson is junk. but that is, what, 16 years of cheap about average contributions. it’s average, but it is a lot of average.
it’d be funny to see harden shut down, and murton and gallagher provided the extra push the As need to get into the playoffs.
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by jacob on Jul 9, 2008 12:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
i think you undervalue him
giving people letter grades or trying pin them as a certain # of a starter is just guesswork. Gallagher has the minor league #’s to suggest he could be better than Zambrano who didnt put up anything near Gallagher even though they were at similar ages.
Time will tell but I think the A’s got a real good pitcher and its prolly why the Cubs were able to get Gaudin included.
And since you ended with a bit of a jab- what will really be funny is watching a small market team trade away its precious few resources for a rental and fail to make the playoffs.
by ACB on Jul 9, 2008 12:55 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
the brewers system is light years ahead of the cubs
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 9, 2008 1:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
it is
so dont waste 6 yrs of your best guys for 2 month rentals
unless you think your draft team has built a better mousetrap than everyone else you wont be getting brauns and la porta’s forever
by ACB on Jul 9, 2008 1:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, now that you mention it, they kinda have
Better than your mousetrap that turns up $10M Jeff Samardzijas, anyway.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 9, 2008 1:38 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
giving people letter grades or trying pin them as a certain # of a starter is just guesswork.
guesswork that John Sickels does for a living.
Gallagher has the minor league #’s to suggest he could be better than Zambrano who didnt put up anything near Gallagher even though they were at similar ages.
How is this less egregious than calling gallagher a ‘b’ prospect. you just implied gallagher could be better than zambrano, does it follow then that he ‘could’ be worse than Angel Guzman? I like gallagher, he’s a true prospect, but he has real command problems that limit his ceiling. he has only 216 innings above A ball (not including ML) and in that time, which includes a repeat of both AA, and AAA, he walked 101 guys.
You just can’t cut it as an ace with those walk rates. that’s how it is. and you do not learn command at 22 years old.
He’ll definitely be an ML contributor, and provide surplus value to the As, but he projects out to be an average or slightly below average starting pitcher, i think calling him special is off the mark. so is saying that he’s gonna be real good.
I think what he has posted this season, is exactly the kind of career he’s going to have. how much better, exactly, do you think he’s going to be? a sub 4 era? a 9+ k/9, sub 3 bb/9?
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by jacob on Jul 9, 2008 10:31 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
well then we disagree.
and your walk totals are messed up because at one stint in AA he suddenly lost command- all his other levels the BB rate stayed near the same- we dont know the story of what happened during that one span but it seems to be an outlier
i think a sub 4 ERA is in the works and he will be a plus starting pitcher for a number of years. i guess time will tell
by ACB on Jul 9, 2008 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are
a smart guy battlekow- go look at what gallagher did in AAA as a 20-21 year old- and compare him with jeffress
not even close
by ACB on Jul 8, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contrary to what you might think, battlekow != Mound Talk
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 8, 2008 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well then
you’re wrong
people slept on gallagher for whatever reason but the guy throws 93-95 and was always at advanced levels at a young age putting up good stats
beane is smart enough to know this and thats why gallagher was the centerpiece
by ACB on Jul 8, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I say again
I am not Mound Talk. I am merely pointing out that an oft-cited prospects site has Jeffress ranked ahead of Gallagher.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 8, 2008 6:34 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
and
we both know that ranking prospects isnt an exact science-
if you had to choose between the two of gallagher and jeffress the smart pick is on the kid who made the bigs at 21
by ACB on Jul 8, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Personally
I would go with David Clyde. :)
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by TheJay on Jul 8, 2008 11:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Beane is a genius
He is so smart that he just traded a pitcher that will be on the DL before August.
by brewfan2 on Jul 8, 2008 6:35 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
because harden like the DL
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by b3nihana on Jul 8, 2008 6:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know, this trade is really 2-for-1...
...we didn’t have anywhere for Murton, Patterson, and Donaldson to play. That leaves it to be Harden and Gaudin for Gallagher, which seems pretty biased. On the surface, we Cubs’ fans are excited, but who knows with Harden’s health. Seems like Gaudin was too much at first glance, but maybe he’s an “insurance policy” on Harden?
Dan
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by dtpollitt on Jul 8, 2008 6:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amazing
Not a rental… plus gave up a lot of guys that couldn’t cut it in the majors… I actually think this trade is bigger for the Cubs than our trade is for CC…
Brewers trade looks like a rip off now for the Crew… the cubs did not lose Vitters and they got a pitcher who is just a step below AND for a year and a half
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by Kyguy922 on Jul 8, 2008 6:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with that analysis...
... though our guy has a better history of durability. But there’s no way to deny that this is a great deal for the Cubs. Even with the injury history, it’s a gamble well worth taking when you look at how little they gave. up.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 8, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So i guess
all these cubs prospects that everyone here had been ragging on were valuable to one of the games best GM’s….
by ACB on Jul 8, 2008 6:16 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
We actually don't spend much time here talking about the Cubs' system
That would be a pretty strange way to spend out time.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 8, 2008 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
really?
i seem to remember a frosty mug today where you were talking about this very topic
by ACB on Jul 8, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, okay
One guy posting a comment equals the entire site repeatedly conversing on the subject.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 8, 2008 6:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're not prospects
Josh Donaldson is the only legitimate “prospect.” Gallagher, yes, is a first-year major leaguer, but he’s demonstrated ability at that level. Murton and Patterson have been flipping back and forth between AAA and the majors for years. They’re far beyond prospects.
In short, the Cubs gave the A’s major-league-ready players, not prospects. That’s what it took to get two pitchers of this quality.
by morineko on Jul 8, 2008 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Odd
one of the ESPN analysts said that Harden wouldn’t get traded until the end of the month. The A’s are only 6 games out of first. That is two and a half games closer to first than the Yanks are in their division.
by molitorfan on Jul 8, 2008 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's compare trades
We get a horse who was second in the AL in complete games with only one man from the 40-man roster and zero who were counted on to provide anything at the ML level.
The Cubs got an injury prone pitcher who is slightly less effective than CC for three guys off their 25 man roster.
For impact this year I think the Brewers come out ahead. The Cubs traded away major league depth to marginally improve their starting pitching. The Brewers improved their major league depth while getting a similar marginal improvement in pitching. For 2009 and beyond the Cubs are ahead, but I’ll worry about that playoff race once this one is done.
by Getting Yosted on Jul 8, 2008 6:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
major league depth?
patterson and murton are both in AAA when our roster is healthy and both are blocked, Donaldson is in A ball and Gallagher is the centerpiece
Sabathia is mos def the safer bet, but when harden is healthy they are equal to each other and Harden is under contract past this year
by ACB on Jul 8, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
But
Your roster isn’t healthy, and I wouldn’t assume it will be for the rest of the year. Just as I’m assuming the Brewers will have to weather one or two more stints on the DL for contributing players. If Fukudome gets injured or Edmonds starts sucking again, you guys are gonna be scrambling. If Cameron or Hart need to be replace it will suck but we have the bodies to either replace them internally for a short period or go out and acquire a longer term replacement. Do the Cubs have the talent left to make a similar move?
by Getting Yosted on Jul 8, 2008 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surprising
Soriano and Reed Johnson (both with significant contributions at OF this year), Darryl Ward (another OF’r) and Zambrano are all out and the Cubs maintain their lead over second place. I would agree with you that the Cubs would be in trouble if they lost Fukudome AND Edmonds in addition to the current players out. However, that’s not saying much.
Not only does the depth seem suitable to prevail over injuries but Zambrano, Johnson and Ward have already returned and Soriano is taking BP pain-free.
by cukting on Jul 9, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cubs fan here...
...you’re forgetting we traded for an ACE for next year, too. CC is gone after this season. Murton and Patterson were not playing, Donaldson was blocked, and you could argue Gaudin’s versatility is an improvement over Gallagher’s. This is a GREAT trade for the Cubs. Word outta Chicago is that it’s been in the works for a month, but it sure feels good to come back at the Brewers with a bigger move.
Gonna be a fun race!
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by dtpollitt on Jul 8, 2008 6:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't believe the A's threw in Gaudin in
I am very high on him. Power sinker, nice movement on his slider and is going to be cheap for a while. He very well might be the best player in the whole deal long term.
by dixieflatline on Jul 8, 2008 6:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly what I was thinking
It seems like they could have done without the AAAA outfielders and kept Gaudin.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 8, 2008 6:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hendry wouldn't give up Gallagher without someone to maintain depth.
Beane suggested Gaudin and Hendry jumped.
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by northsider on Jul 9, 2008 1:48 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
So prior to that, the deal was (roughly):
Harden for two fourth outfielders and a guy with an OPS of 640 in A-ball? It just doesn’t make sense.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 9, 2008 2:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well not quite, Eric Patterson CAN play 2nd....in theory....
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by northsider on Jul 9, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
That was my first reaction too
makes me wonder why we couldn’t get Betancourt or Perez or something.
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by Jordan M on Jul 8, 2008 6:30 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look. both front offices are making moves.
Let’s enjoy the action with 70+ games remaining. May the better team win!
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by LAcarl519 on Jul 8, 2008 6:30 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Is there a way to move this thread below the Game Thread?
I don’t mind it being discussed, but we’re talking about CC in T-minus 30 minutes. His face should be at the top of the page.
by brewfan2 on Jul 8, 2008 6:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I'm going to bump the game thread in a couple minutes
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 8, 2008 6:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
brewers
need a closer like a rauch. maybe a middle starter like a maddux and a couple bullpen arms. easily do able IMO. this will be a dog fight if melvin goes all in too. i think we can all say the cards are done.
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by cubsluver22 on Jul 8, 2008 6:41 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I like our closer, though I don't disagree on the need for another bullpen arm or two...
.... particularly an effective set up man. But I don’t see the need to deal for a #3/#4 starter. Maddux would be nice to have around, especially in the playoffs, but for the price he’ll draw, I think we’re better off sticking with the 6-7 arms we already have.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 8, 2008 7:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with a couple of the comments above
Beane must be trading Harden this cheap only if he see warning signs about his health again and thinks he could on the DL very soon – he has only pitched 541inns in his 5 and 1/2 year career.
He traded Mulder before he started having his injury problems aswell.
In fact when I think about it 3 of the last 4 big name pitchers to leave the A’s have been signifacantly worse since leaving (Ztio,Mulder,Hudson) with Haren the only exception.Obviously leaving that home park does not help – Harden’s ERA away from home is a shade over 4 for example.
If this was a straight 4 for 1 deal I would say that the Cubs we taking too big a risk but getting Gaudin aswell I think tilts this trade in their favour but only time will tell has to how good Gallacher will be and how healthy Harden will stay.
by Saltire on Jul 8, 2008 6:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I hear it's a three-way(huh huh) trade
The Reds are involved – Dusty Baker is going to Chicago as well!
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by Braun Holio on Jul 8, 2008 7:05 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Harden
He’s pitched more innings this year than his past two years combined.
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by drezdn on Jul 8, 2008 7:13 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow!
Fantastic trade for the Cubs. This will beeeeeeee interesting!
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by roguejim on Jul 8, 2008 7:17 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
All I know
is in the past couple days this division race has gotten a lot more interesting. I look forward to seeing a Harden – Sabbathia match-up at some point this year.
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by mjk83 on Jul 8, 2008 7:33 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah... it's going to be a fun race to watch.
Sucks to be the Cards. I’d be grinding my teeth right now if I was a Card fan.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jul 8, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah
I was looking over at Viva El Birdos and they don’t seem to happy, which is understandable. Everyone figured that this was going to be a 2 team race and while the Cards have stuck around awhile I think this guarantees that it will soon be a 2 team race.
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by mjk83 on Jul 8, 2008 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
We knew expectations going into the year were to play with what was on the roster and take our lumps while building for 09-10. What has happened has been a very pleasant surprise. But just because the Brewers and Cubs have landed some stud pitching doesn’t change anything for StL. The game plan is the same. If we stay in it, great. If not, you’re not going to see many Card fans clamor for a big trade that would see those prospects dealt for the short term. Only deals I think people want to see is maybe for some lh bullpen help or god forbid, a middle infielder. But still, there is some solid help on the way. No need to lose those cost-controlled guys when the Cubs and Brewers are clearly in win now mode.
by paposse on Jul 9, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well then
I wonder why Beane felt it necessary to part with Gaudin, also. Seems that he sold that package short.
If Harden stays in one piece, this is a hell of a trade for the Cubs.
by Acheron on Jul 8, 2008 7:44 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was definitely surprised to see Gaudin included
He’ll start in the pen, but he essentially takes Sean Marshall’s spot as the 6th starter. I’d prefer that he were the 5th starter, but that’s not going to happen.
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by mjk83 on Jul 8, 2008 8:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe he felt Gaudin wasn't going to be a cost-effective starter in the future?
Gaudin would likely have to be stretched out to be a starter again anyway and (barring injury) he’d have to clear waivers to do that in the minors, so there would be a potentially rocky adjustment period if he’s slotted into a rotation again this year. If the Cubs do want him to start, he could be a back-of-the-rotation guy for the next two years until he’s a free agent, but Sean Gallagher could do that (or more) in Oakland for less money. I wonder how many starts from Harden over the next year and a half it would take to balance out the other players in the trade (at least from Oakland’s perspective—think replacing Emil Brown with Murton, etc.).
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by TheJay on Jul 9, 2008 12:17 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im a big fan of what rotoworld thinks of the trade.
by brewfan2 on Jul 8, 2008 11:37 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
IF
if harden and gaudin bomb the cubs are out liitle money. as far as what the cubs lost--gallagher at best is a #2 starter and I highly highly doubt that. veen if he is he’s now out of the NL. murton is a reserve at best. really not a good defensive player. not a bad offensive guy but wont give you enough power to constitute being a LF or RF. patterson has had documented off field troubles and attitude problems in the clubhouse. another guy who really isnt gonna change any teams outlook one way or another. donaldson is struggling and probably is gonna have to change positions. but then does he have enough offense to justify leaving him in an OF or 1b spot—-doubt it!! this is a no lose deal for the cubs and we have harden under control through 2009.
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by cubsluver22 on Jul 9, 2008 1:35 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
UZR says Murton is pretty good defensively
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 9, 2008 1:47 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gamel for Street?
The A’s are obviously sellers this year, and we need a 3B. Don’t you guys need bullpen help?
by connie mack on Jul 9, 2008 1:59 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
What the hell is David Pinto smoking?
The Athletics obviously recognize Murton’s ability to get on base. While that’s something that’s needed on this season’s Cubs team, the A’s offense sure can use it. Same with Eric Patterson. He’s a middle infielder who has a decent OBA in the minors. Gallagher is very young, and his minor league strikeouts, walks and home runs are great. Basically, he’s someone who can take over the ace roll with a little more maturity. Donaldson is a catcher with minor league stats much like Patterson.I’ve highlighted a couple of the especially bizarre parts.The question I’m trying to answer for myself; was this the A’s giving up on the season or trying to improve for this season? Murton, Patterson and Gallagher can help this season. If Sean can come close to replacing Harden, without the threat of injury, I can see this deal improving the A’s now. I’m always amazed when I look at a Beane deal at how it always looks better than I expected.
Obviously, Harden answers the Sabathia trade very well. He doesn’t go as deep in games as CC, but the Cubs now send out three aces with Zambrano, Dempster and Harden. It’s like having Maddux, Glavine and Smoltz from the mid 1990s. It looks like a great move for both clubs.
He's extremely quick and good.
by battlekow on Jul 9, 2008 2:06 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Dempster is the new Dave Stewart! ;)
by Braunstalker on Jul 9, 2008 3:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Zambrano, Dempster, and Harden are aces
What does that make Sheets, Sabathia, and Parra (or Gallardo, for that matter?)
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by Jordan M on Jul 9, 2008 8:58 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What's an ace roll?
Typo…or is he talking about both guys needing ACE bandages? :)
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by TheJay on Jul 9, 2008 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the Felix Hernandez-themed sushi
they serve at Safeco.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jul 9, 2008 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's actually the high-density toilet paper Jeff needs after eating Indian food
He's extremely quick and good.
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