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The Ryan Braun Situation

Ryan Braun has missed the last two games, and he'll miss at least one more.  There's not a lot of clarity about his health situation--he sounds optimistic he'll be back on the field in a few days, but it's possible that his problems run deeper.  I can't get too interested in the details of injuries, so I'll leave that part of it up to those who want to hash it out.

But it does open up some questions we really didn't want to be asking.  What if Braun heads to the DL?  What if he's out for the season (or a substantial part of it)?

Obviously, any extended absence is a serious blow to the lineup.  Not only is Braun one of the best hitters on the team--he leads Brewers regulars with a 137 OPS+--but the rest of the lineup looks a little more toothless without him.  Sure, guys like Hart and Branyan can hit, but a Kapler-Fielder-Hart, or Hall-Fielder-Hart middle of the order just isn't the same.

If the injury sends Braun to the DL, but there's good reason to think he'll be back before the end of the month, I'd be surprised to see the team make any serious moves.  Kapler has filled in nicely, Branyan (and even Hall) can play left, and I wouldn't be shocked to see Ray Durham out there.  (I don't endorse it, but I wouldn't rule it out.)

Not only that, but a DL move opens a roster spot for a replacement.  The logical callups, I suppose, are:

  • Joe Dillon: remember it was last August he impressed us so much, and since he's been on the team this year, he's the easiest guy for Ned to add to the mix.
  • Laynce Nix: he's OPSing almost 900 at Nashville, and is sort of Branyan without the walks and the major league track record.  I'm skeptical, because he was a lot better the first two months of the season than he has been since; his June and July OBPs were .298 and .310, respectively.  One plus is that he's a solid defender in a corner.
  • Brad Nelson: he's probably not great shakes with the glove, but he has played quite a bit in left.  I think he's my pick among these three, because he's nearly as powerful as Nix, but has a nearly .400 OBP.  He's also swooned some the last couple of months, though.

Nothing too exciting there.  I doubt it would matter much, since if it's a short-term injury, Kapler will be the guy. 

What if, heaven forbid, Braun is out for most of the rest of the season?

As exciting as Kapler has been at times, there's no way he's the left fielder of a potential championship team (at least not this one) for two months.  Nor is anybody else in the fold right now.  Now that it's August, the trade market is much more constrained, but I've scanned the rosters of out-of-contention teams looking for possible replacements who have likely cleared waivers:

  • Shannon Stewart ...just released by the Blue Jays...basically he's another Kapler.
  • Aubrey Huff ...having a solid (302/360/550) season for the Orioles.  We could do worse.
  • Raul Ibanez ...on the block before the deadline; the Mariners should want to get rid of him.  He's also having a decent year (286/350/483), but he's a major liability with the glove.
  • Randy Winn ...Stewart, only more expensive.

Blech.  Huff's really the only option that could come close to replacing Braun's offense, and we'd sacrifice some defense plugging him in over Kapler or Nix.  He's also signed for $8MM next year, so we'd basically be borrowing him just to find a taker in the offseason.  That's not going to happen.

Of course, there's always the nuclear option.  Barry Bonds is on the market.  The man can hit.  If Braun is out for the season, I will pound the Bonds drum until you're so sick of hearing about it you'll want to go back to getting your Brewers commentary from Haudricourt.  But I realize it's far fetched.

Exercises like this are always interesting, especially after the trade deadline.  Let's hope this one is only an exercise.

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Mat Gamel. On the job training.

Or we could trade Sabathia for this really really good prospect in Cleveland, I hear he can play the outfield passingly.

Wait, what?

by NoahJ on Aug 12, 2008 1:17 PM CDT   0 recs

You forgot one option

TGJ -

Yeah I know…. but Ned likes him.

by Saberilliterate on Aug 12, 2008 1:25 PM CDT   0 recs

Bonds

If Braun is gone for the season, sign Bonds!! I don’t care what he’s done in the past or what he’s yet to do. If he’s in any lineup, he is feared. The defense in left would be suspect, but he’s been resting all summer and should be somewhat fresh. Plus, Bonds has said that he’ll play for the minimum.

Baseball is a sport and entertainment. There are athletes who have done or have been suspected of doing far worse things than Bonds and they have been given second chances (Ron Artest, Ray Lewis, Tony LaRussa, Mike Tyson).

Heck, I say sign him up even if Braun is fine. It would also help the other owners in not being sued for collusion, Andre Dawson anyone.

by brewfan2 on Aug 12, 2008 1:45 PM CDT   0 recs

plus

we have two CCs on the team. Time to add a BB. And no, Bill Branyan doesn’t count.

by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 12, 2008 1:48 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bill Buckner?

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Aug 12, 2008 1:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Add

Chad Cordero for the triumvarate?

by Wayfaerer on Aug 12, 2008 2:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Doug Davis could come back to the team too…

by Saberilliterate on Aug 12, 2008 6:39 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If Brauns gone for the year

He’s going to be almost impossible to replace. Not only for his production but what he brings to the team emotionally. I personally don’t think Bonds is the answer. He will probably be great with the stick but way to much me-me-me attitude.

I don’t follow you guys close enough to comment on the other options I’ve seen posted here but with that said they have to be a better option than Barry

If the world didn't suck we would all fall off.

by carolinacub on Aug 12, 2008 2:02 PM CDT   0 recs

personally

I really hate it when those me-me-me guys get on base all the time.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Aug 12, 2008 2:15 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

You said it

And Bonds now is pretty slow so he will clog up the bases as well. How is Hart supposed to try to turn that double into a triple with two outs when Bonds is already standing on third? He is no good I tell you.

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by dixieflatline on Aug 12, 2008 2:30 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How much time would it take for him to get back into form, though?

There’s six more weeks of the regular season. I really doubt that Bonds has been keeping himself in tip-top shape all season long.

Wait, what?

by NoahJ on Aug 12, 2008 3:07 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Plus...

... at the growth rate it was on the last decade, his head probably weighs 40lbs by now.

We could sign him and market him as a human bobble head in left field though, which might raise enough money for us to sign CC this offseason.

FDR can suck it. - Jeff Sackmann

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 12, 2008 5:34 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bonds would clearly be the best replacement

He would certainly lead the league in at least OBP the rest of the way, and this far into the season he is probably desperate enough to welcome playing in the outfield. He would probably not cost significantly more than someone like Ibanez at this point either. (And as an added bonus, if you’re worried about him gelling with the team he already knows at least one player in Ray Durham).

Unfortunately, there is obviously some collusion going on against Bonds and I don’t think any team is going to be able to sign him, which is pretty ridiculous.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Aug 12, 2008 2:24 PM CDT   0 recs

This got me wondering

Would it be possible to sign Bonds, just to try to get draft picks for his departure next season? I’d bet he’d still warrant Type A status…

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Aug 12, 2008 2:50 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Not only that

But given the inability to find a team for this year, I can’t see him rejecting an arbitration offer.

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by TheJay on Aug 12, 2008 3:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Ahh, but I think he would

My Spidey sense tells me that if a team signed him, even if only for a couple of months, and he puts up his regular numbers (which, admittedly, seems a little unlikely after this long a layoff), the nervousness about signing him goes away in the offseason. I don’t know if he can still be productive, but if he can, I think a Nationals-type team that signs him could be rewarded in the offseason.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Aug 12, 2008 4:56 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Bonds would play for the minimum
Agent Jeff Borris said he recently offered Bonds’ services to "numerous" clubs for the major league minimum salary of $390,000. When Borris couldn’t find a taker, he concluded that Bonds will not be playing in the big leagues this season.

"I offered Barry at the minimum salary, and when I ran into a brick wall, that’s when I came to the conclusion that he will not be in a major league uniform in 2008," said Borris, in New York for the All-Star Game.

by brewfan2 on Aug 12, 2008 3:06 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Wow, I hadn't seen that

If no team has signed Bonds for $390,000, I can’t see how there isn’t something suspicious going on. Pretty absurd, Bonds could be a convicted serial killer and still be worth more than that.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Aug 12, 2008 3:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

i think that's nonsense.

It is possible for the GMs of ever team to simultaneously conclude that they’d rather not deal with the PR nightmare that could come with a Bonds signing without them sitting down in a meeting and deciding collectively to screw the guy by refusing to let him play. An unemployed slugger does not conclusively prove collusion.

FDR can suck it. - Jeff Sackmann

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 12, 2008 5:38 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

An unemployed slugger does not always conslusively prove collusion,

but an unemployed Barry Bonds asking the minimum salary does, if you ask me.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Aug 12, 2008 6:33 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Double-A

How about we place Braun on the 15 Day to get him rested and set for the long run in September, and give a guy named Cole Gillespie a shot. He’s Diet LaPorta and he can draw a ton of walks.

I’d take that over returning the media circus to Wisconsin over a Bonds contract, you talk about scrutinizing a season if you add him.

by Lavender on Aug 12, 2008 2:38 PM CDT   0 recs

crazy Brewers

could call up someone like Mel Stocker

by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2008 2:40 PM CDT   0 recs

Or claim Kevin Mench off waivers.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Aug 12, 2008 3:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

He won't be out for the season

I’m sure he’ll be back by the end of the week (or rather I promise to return him when we’re back from our sunny West Coast vacation).

=D

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"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker

by kirbir on Aug 12, 2008 2:49 PM CDT   0 recs

I agree.

At least, with the first bit of your statement. Just don’t wear him out too much.

Wait, what?

by NoahJ on Aug 12, 2008 3:14 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

M's fan here.

If you go Ibanez, remember he doesn’t come cheap. He’s a Type A, so we’ll want the equivalent of the 2 sandwich rounders we’d get if he walks at the end of the year. One of the reasons so many teams balked on him at the deadline.

by Faux on Aug 12, 2008 3:01 PM CDT   0 recs

Just wanted to add...

Go to Lookout Landing and scroll down; the second-last box on the left-hand sidebar will provide you with some idea of Raul Ibanez’s defensive quality (Now is the chance for Faramir, Captain of Gondor, to prove his quality…).

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Aug 12, 2008 3:17 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

speaking of...

getting the draft picks assumes:

a) the M’s offer arb
b) another team actually signs him

Ibanez is still a useful player, but inching closer to DH-hood and general decrepitude. I suppose this is more of an issue for Raul and his agent than the M’s, but if the price of signing him is a first round (or early second round) pick, that won’t help the market.

Or the Orioles will sign him. Who knows.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Aug 12, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

As long as Brian Sabean has a job, Raul Ibanez will.

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Aug 12, 2008 4:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Good point.

The Giants don’t like draft picks anyway.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Aug 12, 2008 9:45 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Even as a DH he has worth.

If our inept FO doesn’t extend him, they will offer arb. Ibanez is having another good season (basically the same season he has had every year before), and the declining taking place is in the field, not his bat.

If the M’s let him go, be prepared to see him as another AL FA signing, ala Sheff, Hinske, Ffloyd, or Thomas, with comparable (on the lower side) to better results.

Don’t let his fielding and age fool you, he’s still got the same bat from last year, and even with decline will still be a league average+ DH..

by Faux on Aug 13, 2008 8:43 AM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Hey, don't the Mariners need a DH?

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Aug 13, 2008 12:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

What about Jay Gibbons?

He wouldn’t be any better (and probably worse) than the other options, but his MLB track record would seem to put him in the mix.

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by TheJay on Aug 12, 2008 3:15 PM CDT   0 recs

right, i forgot about him

he might actually have the highest upside (which is not much) of the in-house options. If nothing else, he’d be the best bet to hit .277.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Aug 12, 2008 3:51 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I'd bring up Gwyn

He’d be a great pinch runner and is a solid defender.

by grant76 on Aug 12, 2008 3:37 PM CDT   0 recs

That sounds like a reason to bring him up after September 1

Instead of making him a hitting-challenged fourth outfielder for a couple weeks.

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by TheJay on Aug 12, 2008 3:52 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Sign Bonds

If Braun can make it back for the WS you can DH Bonds. For 4 games you have:

Weeks
Hardy
Braun
Fielder
Bonds
Hart
Hall/Branyan/Counsell
Cameron
Kendall

That’s not too shabby.

by Getting Yosted on Aug 12, 2008 4:29 PM CDT   0 recs

But what about the back lash?

I’d boo his ass every time he’s up.

by SgtClueLs on Aug 12, 2008 4:32 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

How many times has Yost been booed off the field after letting a pitcher give up 4+ runs? It doesn’t seem to impact the front office’s desire to have him around. At least with Bond’s we would be getting something productive from the animosity, rather than just obstinance and stupid excuses.

by Getting Yosted on Aug 12, 2008 4:41 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Assuming of course..

... he hasn’t swollen up to the size of Shamu in the past 4 months, and that his balky knee is ok, and that even if he’s fit and healthy he can get his bat the point of productivity in time to be of any use.

FDR can suck it. - Jeff Sackmann

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 12, 2008 5:42 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

And if he isn't productive

They can cut him and be out the pro-rated portion of $390K, or about two weeks of what the team wasted on Gagne. If you can throw $16 mil at Gagne, Mota and Turnbow you can risk $120K that the greatest player of our lifetime still has 65 games left in the tank.

by Getting Yosted on Aug 12, 2008 8:57 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Me too.

FDR can suck it. - Jeff Sackmann

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 12, 2008 5:40 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I wonder if the Brewers would even consider Gillespie

he’s 24, so it’s not like he’d be terribly overexposed.

I want no part of Nix. Nelson or Gibbons would be fine with me.

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by jihad on Aug 12, 2008 4:50 PM CDT   0 recs

Gillespie is a lot better choice than Gamel, certainly

I can’t imagine that Nelson is a very good LF, so if the Brewers don’t want to use Gibbons for whatever reason, I fully support calling up Gillespie.

BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"

by battlekow on Aug 12, 2008 4:58 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Gillespie's splits are about equal

and he and Kapler both bat righty, so I that might work against him. I’d like to see them make him the temporary left fielder if Braun went on the DL with Kapler returning to his usual role.

Gillespie’s MLE line is .228/.339/.374/.713.

But... I think they'd call up Gibbons and split time between him and Kapler if Braun was out short-term.

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by jihad on Aug 12, 2008 5:11 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't know why it does that

the last line says that I think they’d platoon Gibbons in Kapler if Braun went on the DL

And neck size to baby eating ratio.

by jihad on Aug 12, 2008 5:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

A fun conversation...

... but does anyone really think Braunie’s going to miss the rest of the year? Because I sure don’t.

FDR can suck it. - Jeff Sackmann

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 12, 2008 5:43 PM CDT   0 recs

I don't

but I wouldn’t be surprised if he was out a couple weeks.

by ol Pete on Aug 12, 2008 6:12 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

Maybe the whole Padres series.

Wait, what?

by NoahJ on Aug 12, 2008 6:18 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

I don't....

but the post that grant76 quoted in the mug thread this morning made it sound like there could easily be more to the story than some tightness or spasms that will just as quickly go away.

and given the way the Brewers report injuries, every time a player misses a couple of games, it’s easy to make the mental leap to, “oh my god, he’s dead!”

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Aug 12, 2008 9:48 PM CDT to parent up   1 recs

Sheffield

Waivers by the Tigers…. Wouldn’t he be, in theory, the next best thing to Bonds?

Old and bad at fielding.

by Rawiswar on Aug 12, 2008 9:02 PM CDT   0 recs

Oh man, that would be the worst PR move the Brewers can make. I still hate him from when I was a kid.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Aug 12, 2008 9:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

and I don’t think I’m the only Brewers fan that feels that way.

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Aug 12, 2008 9:47 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

no

you are not. Screw him.

by molitorfan on Aug 12, 2008 10:20 PM CDT to parent up   0 recs

If L.A. hadn't claimed him

We could have done a three way trade for Manny. Manny to the Packers for Favre, McClung to the Packers for Manny. (If only we still had Gabe Gross).

Coffee is for closers

by drezdn on Aug 12, 2008 9:51 PM CDT   0 recs

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