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A look at the playoff roster, take one

 

While the Brewers themselves shouldn't be looking ahead I don't think it will hurt too much for us to look ahead for a moment.  August 31st is when playoff rosters are due and while there are some chances to make some changes to that roster it will generally stay pretty set.  So what kind of roster will the Brewers submit this year?  Here are the locks to make the roster:

Position players (12):

Weeks, Hardy, Braun, Fielder, Hart, Cameron, Kendall, Counsell, Hall, Rivera, Durham, Kapler

Pitchers (8):

Sabathia, Sheets, Parra, Suppan, Bush, Torres, Gagne, Shouse

Ok so 20 locks out of 25 players.  That leaves some players on the fence.

Branyan, Nix, Minor leaguer batter

Villanueva, Riske, McClung, Mota, Stetter or some other minor league pitcher

First, the Brewers are carrying twelve pitchers right now but for the playoffs when you only need four starters you definitely can get away with ten pitchers but the Brewers probably will opt for eleven.  That brings up some interesting questions namely, who will be the forth starter?  Sabathia, Sheets, and Parra appear to have locked up the first three spots leaving Bush and Suppan to battle for the last spot.  Bush has definitely out pitched Suppan this year and even more so recently but Soup brings the veteran grit so don't be surprised if Bush is moved to the bullpen, a role he has seen action in this year.  With Bush in the pen that leaves at least one reliever who won't be making the roster with Mota being an obvious first choice.

As for the position players assuming Russell is healthy there is no way he doesn't make the roster but his injury does put that at risk.  I think Nix is good to go as the Crew will need an extra outfielder and he is already on the roster.  That would bring them to fourteen but if Braynan can't go someone else will have to take his place.

The Brewers then would have a lot of different options then and could go one of many ways.  First, they could bring up Gamel who is a left handed hitting third baseman which is exactly what Russell brings to the table.  They could also go speed/defense and bring up Escobar or call up a third catcher so pinch hitting for Kendall is a little easier on Yost.  That could either be Vinny Rottino or Angel Salome but Salome or Gamel would need to be put on the 40 man roster first (though it sure looks like Gamel will be there shortly).

Fortunately for the Brewers most of these decisions can be put off thanks to the K-Rod loophole.  That loophole states that if you put a man on the playoff roster who is on the 15 day DL you can then replace him on the roster with anyone on the 40 man roster as of August 31st no matter what position he plays (that part is new) by transferring the player on the 15 day DL to the 60 day DL.  So expect the playoff roster handed in on the 31st to look very similar to this:

Positions players (14):

Weeks, Hardy, Braun, Fielder, Hart, Cameron, Kendall, Counsell, Hall, Rivera, Durham, Kapler, Nix, Branyan*

Pitchers (11):

Sabathia, Sheets, Parra, Suppan, Bush, Torres, Gagne, Shouse, Villanueva, Riske, Capuano*

* on 15 day DL

This will give the Brewers the maximum roster flexibility including the option to go with ten pitchers and call up one of the before mentioned position players instead of most likely McClung (though Riske better watch himself).  Honestly, this is what I am hoping they will do because there simply is no need for seven in the bullpen with all the off days in the playoffs. Ned will likely be riding his starters hard anyway and a third catcher or a good pinch runner would almost certainly be move valuable.

 

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Its a 40-man roster for the playoffs.

In case you didn’t know. So all the players you mentioned above are all locks. How could you forget about Joltin’ Joe Dillon?

by Rendezvous on Aug 28, 2008 11:22 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So if I wasn't clear,

you can have 40 players, not just 25.

by Rendezvous on Aug 28, 2008 11:23 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I apolagize, looks like I read it wrong.

40-men September callup, 25-man playoff roster.
Disregard this comment and those ^.

by Rendezvous on Aug 28, 2008 11:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They don't need to leave Mota off yet

The initial pool of guys eligible for the playoffs is the 25-man roster as of midnight on August 31 and anyone on the 15-day or 60-day DL. So for the Brewers that’s everyone currently on the 25-man roster (including Mota), Capuano, Gallardo, and Branyan. Thus they have 28 spots from which to pick twenty-five guys before the first playoff series in October. Of those twenty-eight players, anyone who is on the DL come playoff time can be replaced on the postseason roster by another player not in the initial eligibility pool.

In short, they don’t need to submit a list of exactly 25 guys (including injured players) on August 31. They get to postpone the hard decisions until after September.

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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think so

Some sort of 25 man roster needs to be sent in. They can make changes but only if someone else DLs or current players on the DL. Why else would the K-Rod exception be such a big deal?

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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2008 12:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Your current 25-man roster gets sent in. Here’s a link to a boston.com about the Red Sox situation last year.

"The way substitutions (before a series) work in general is as follows: each team’s initial pool of eligible players is the 25 players on its active roster at midnight on 8/31 plus any players on the 15-day DL, 60-day DL, suspended list, bereavement list, etc. So we have 28 players in this pool (25 plus Donnelly, Clement, and Mirabelli, all of whom were on the DL on 8/31).

Unless they changed the process since last year, the Brewers have 28 players in their pool. The K-Rod exception is a big deal because people like when prospects have a big September and can be playoff heroes.

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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2008 12:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

More info

USA Today has an article from 2006 mentioning playoff roster rules, too:

For a player to be eligible for the postseason, Major League Baseball rules require him be on the team’s active 25-man roster or on the disabled, bereavement, suspended or military lists before midnight on Aug. 31 of that season.

Teams have until a day before their first Division Series game to set their playoff rosters, and rosters can be changed for each of the best-of-seven League Championship Series and World Series.

The rules also say that if a player eligible for the postseason is hurt and can’t play, the team can request permission from the commissioner’s office to replace him with a player from the minor league system, with a few restrictions.

The “restrictions” are that the minor leaguer has to be in the organization as of August 31st and still with the team at the end of the season (duh).

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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2008 1:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok so they will have even a little more wiggle room than I thought

Still will be interesting to see who does make it when they send in the first roster. We can debate 10 or 11 pitchers when we get a little closer to the playoffs.

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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2008 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What's the reason to carry 11 pitchers?

They should have Suppan/Bush and McClung in the bullpen for the playoffs, sitting Gagne and Mota. You have two pitchers that can go extended innings if the team gets into an extra-inning game or the starter bails early, plus Villy, Shouse, Riske and Torres to pitch ‘normal’ bullpen situations.

Those two extra bats on the bench give you the ability to force the opposition into pitching matchups that favor you. The opposition brings in it’s LOOGY to face Branyan, you can trot out Hall. They then LaRussa to a righty and you counter with Gamel. They probably don’t have a second LOOGY to face Gamel, and you have the lefty/righty matchup you wanted and you are still have the same number of bench players available that you are used to. If used properly in the high leverage situations it gives you a tremendous advantage. But Yost will probably use it to double switch Braun out of the game in the fifth, so it might not be used to max advantage.

by Getting Yosted on Aug 28, 2008 2:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

As I said at the bottom I think ten pitchers is preferable but Ned likes the extra arms in the pen for little reason. So I would expect them to carry eleven.

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by dixieflatline on Aug 28, 2008 4:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

you can't relieve a pitcher before he has thrown to at least one batter

So Branyan → pitching change → PH Hall → pitching change → PH Gamel isn’t possible as a scenario, anyway.

by Zeyes on Aug 28, 2008 7:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

berevment list?

can they morn the passing of some unrelated “friend”?

If so, lets get like 10 of our bench players to go hang out at a nursing home for a while.

by PagsBrewCrew on Aug 28, 2008 1:49 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

They'd only have to hang out there a minimum of three days

Send two starting pitchers, four relievers, and all bench players except Rivera! Maybe some creative monkeying with the rules can get childbirth considered a “serious illness” and they can all take gifts to the Gagnes.

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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Scott Boras' ears are perking up

I think during sex, he has his wife yell “Loophole!” at him.

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by battlekow on Aug 28, 2008 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tricky territory trying to estimate what they'll do

I’d think that Stetter will get chances in September and if he does well, he’d make the playoff roster. If McClung is just gathering cobwebs, he won’t go although I’d think it would be wise to give him some innings and see how he does. I have a hard time picturing Bush as a reliever in the playoffs, but he is so beloved I’d guess he’ll go.

by ol Pete on Aug 28, 2008 11:45 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Is there just one playoff roster?

Or do they get to replace/reshuffle after each round? If they get to reshuffle, there is no reason to have even 10 pitchers on your roster for the first round for five games.

by Getting Yosted on Aug 28, 2008 12:18 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yovani?

Looks like no hope for him here.

Also: Would we consider calling up Gwynn and using him strictly as a pinch-runner? He could have his own Dave Roberts moment and dramatically increase his trade stock for the offseason.

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by MooseHaas on Aug 28, 2008 1:58 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

YoGa is on the DL

So he’s eligible. His DL spot can be used to replace anyone on the 25 man roster, using either YoGa or anyone in the organization on Aug 31st. Same with Cappy. If YoGa is healthy and ready to pitch come September he can pitch in the playoffs. If he isn’t ready to go, Gamel and Escobar/3rd catcher can replace Mota and Gagne using YoGa’s and Cappy’s DL spots.

by Getting Yosted on Aug 28, 2008 2:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

We already have Mel Stocker for that

Hell, let’s call up Lee Haydel too.

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by battlekow on Aug 28, 2008 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stocker

has been hitting this year as well. Low level though.

by ol Pete on Aug 28, 2008 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If only Melvin hadn't traded Darren Ford

Tues: George (34, throw) Mon: George 3 E (33, throwing, throwing, throwing)

by Jordan M on Aug 28, 2008 3:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hell, I wonder if Usain Bolt is available

Tues: George (34, throw) Mon: George 3 E (33, throwing, throwing, throwing)

by Jordan M on Aug 28, 2008 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who knows if he can slide

…not that he’d need to

by Wayfaerer on Aug 28, 2008 6:21 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly, I saw an article speculating the other day if he could play in the NFL, he's 6'5"

Maybe not Bolt, but a team could certainly teach a world-class 100m guy to run to second base, and then third base, if only for a month or two in September and October. Get a guy on and he’s pretty much automatically at third.

Tues: George (34, throw) Mon: George 3 E (33, throwing, throwing, throwing)

by Jordan M on Aug 28, 2008 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s been done.

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by TheJay on Aug 28, 2008 6:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the NFL, too.

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by battlekow on Aug 28, 2008 7:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not related to sprinting or anything, but

am I remembering correctly that the prospect list was supposed to be updated sometime today?

Tues: George (34, throw) Mon: George 3 E (33, throwing, throwing, throwing)

by Jordan M on Aug 28, 2008 7:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ha, you are

But have I done it yet? Not exactly. Working on it, though.

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by battlekow on Aug 28, 2008 9:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

After thinking about it for a minute

I think at this point I’ll just wait a couple more days for the minor league season to end.

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by battlekow on Aug 28, 2008 9:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

slacker

that’s kinda how I do school work. Good plan on waiting until the minors end, though.

Tues: George (34, throw) Mon: George 3 E (33, throwing, throwing, throwing)

by Jordan M on Aug 28, 2008 10:34 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

(finishing thought)

… because then you can use everybody’s final season stats.

Tues: George (34, throw) Mon: George 3 E (33, throwing, throwing, throwing)

by Jordan M on Aug 28, 2008 10:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In the meantime

I’ll just point out that Cody Scarpetta struck out 8 in 3 innings tonight, while Stosh managed 6 in 3 innings (with no walks), while Jose Garcia homered off the Royals’ supplemental first-rounder Mike Montgomery.

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by battlekow on Aug 28, 2008 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw that about Scarpetta

When you interviewed him, did he ever give you a specific number for his velocity? I just see he throws a hard power fastball, no number for it. If he’s in the low to mid 90s, he’s a legit pitching prospect.

Tues: George (34, throw) Mon: George 3 E (33, throwing, throwing, throwing)

by Jordan M on Aug 28, 2008 11:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He didn't know, because he hadn't even gotten in a game yet

I’ll ask him though. He was low-90s before he got injured; I think he said he topped out at 95.

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by battlekow on Aug 28, 2008 11:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The report comes back

He says he’s been working at 90-94.

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by battlekow on Aug 29, 2008 12:38 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sweet

Hopefully, the Brewers switch low-A affiliates to the T-Rats next year and that’s where he gets assigned.

Tues: George (34, throw) Mon: George 3 E (33, throwing, throwing, throwing)

by Jordan M on Aug 29, 2008 9:37 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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