Game Thread #113: Brewers (62-50) at Reds (51-61)
by Jeff Sackmann on Aug 4, 2008 4:10 PM CDT
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I was at the Nats-Reds game in Washington yesterday, watching the Reds get swept. If you think the Cubs made us look bad last week, imagine what it's like to watch a team go down in three straight to Washington.
Tonight's matchup is Bronson Arroyo and Manny Parra. Arroyo hasn't been good this year, but he did beat the Brewers twice in the last two months of the 2007 season. Parra has scuffled a bit lately; let's hope he's due for a good one. I hear about the Reds offense all the time, but it sure didn't show up in DC yesterday afternoon.
Game time is 6:10 CT, and here's the BR Game Preview.
Go Brewers!
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Reds fan here
I hope we win, but if you guys win, then I hope the Cubs lose. Cheers to sportsmanship!
vs.
by Brendanukkah on Aug 4, 2008 4:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Jeff
How did you like the new Nats stadium? My brother-in-law just moved to DC, so we may be visiting in the near future.
eh
I had heard really bad things, and that’s too extreme. It’s nice-looking, it’s new, it’s open-I think that’s the best thing, it isn’t this imposing edifice, not in any way. The weird thing is that there’s all this planned developed-condos, bars, shopping, etc, and it’s all opening next year. There’s nothing right now. Eventually the block around the ballpark might feel a bit (just a bit, since it’s artificial) like Wrigleyville or the area around Fenway …now it feels more like a giant minor league park. (Which isn’t entirely a bad thing.)
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Aug 4, 2008 4:35 PM CDT up reply actions
I just spent the last three nights at Nationals Park
If you do go, I recommend getting a Ben’s Chili Bowl Half Smoke. One of the best things about the park is how they’ve incorporated local restaurants for ballpark food. The seating is generally pretty good, with some good views of the Anacostia River and the Capitol dome, depending on where you are. The scoreboard is nice, the President’s Race is pretty fun (although I’d imagine Brewers fans would find it pretty derivative). It reminds me a lot of Turner Field in Atlanta.
The surrounding area used to be very scary, but it’s getting more and more developed by the day. There’s still a lot of construction and not a ton to do in the immediate vicinity, but you can see where they’re going with it, and it will eventually be pretty nice. You should definitely go for a game, if you have the chance.
Nationals Park
The park is very open with great sightlines – I’ve been to a couple games (Brewers Memorial Day game among others) and it is a very nice place to see a game. It will be nice if the cherry trees in the outfield time their blooming for opening day in the future – that will give it a nice look.
You are right about development still being on going around the stadium, it will probably be a few years before everything fills out.
Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.
by nuclearbrewer on Aug 4, 2008 6:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Didn't we play a horrible series.....
......against the Reds around this time last year? Does anyone remember/ I think there was a rain delay.
Arroyo's hair gives me a bad feeling."Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
What is more ridiculous?
Craig Counsell batting sixth, playing third, or Jolbert Cabrera batting sixth, playing right field?
Dude, Cabrera might be the worst hitter in either lineup, and I’m counting the pitchers.
Also, cheese.
Jolbert Cabrera
What’s with all the guys who’ve been out of the majors for a couple seasons making it back onto rosters lately? Valerio de los Santos, Jolbert Cabrera, Vladimir Nunez, who else?
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The Reds have Mike Lincoln, who was out of baseball for two years
And, before he went on the season-ending DL, Kent Mercker. And let’s not forget the feel good story himself, Josh Hamilton. Well, that was last year, but I’d certainly rather have Jolbert manning centerfield than the Natural.
sigh…
Miss you, Josh.
Lineup For Tonight
2B Rickie Weeks
SS J.J. Hardy
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
RF Corey Hart
3B Craig Counsell
CF Mike Cameron
C Jason Kendall
LHP Manny Parra
I’m a bit disappointed to not see Billy in the lineup tonight even though he is 8 for 29 (0.276 avg) for the season against them and has pretty much owned them throughout his career. Hopefully Old Craig can do something for us tonight!
Arroyo
On pace for a 180 pitch perfect game.
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Average up top and tight on the right side of the plate.
So Far…..
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
If you ask me, its good to have a tight strike zone when the Brewers are playing someone like Arroyo. If he gets low and away stuff, he’ll beat it to death.
I think this guy likes batters, I wouldn't expect many close backward K's.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
HD
Cubs on ESPN in HD.
But I just wanted to say, FSN.. convert mid season instead of 09 for all HD games. We have to wait till the 16th for the next HD game. That’s unacceptable!
PS – I hate SD now that I have an HD TV.
For once?
Hart stole two bases yesterday.
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game set match
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
You can have
The earthquake, 2 flight cancellations, three flight delays, one train missed, zero rental cars available due to late flight and Caribana festival, one thunderstorm flown through.
I’ll have the beer.
Again is good
.100 for the last month
according to the radio guys
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by nuclearbrewer on Aug 4, 2008 6:45 PM CDT up reply actions
Schroeder
He’s having issues tonight. First he says Brandon Phillips is going to be a free agent after this season. Wrong. Then he says Rickie Weeks’ OBP has been in the .310’s all season. All season must now mean a few weeks.
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has anyone else become a biggebit more tolerant of tom hardicourt lately?
i feel like lately he has been a lot more honest about his stuff… and not afraid to call people out.
"I wore 37 in Tampa... my brother Marcus wore 37... my brother Sam wore 73... my nieces and nephews wear 37... It's a family thing." McClung
It helps that Anthony Witrado makes him look better by comparison
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TRUE.
but i think he has gotten more honest as the season has gone on. i know the tone is almost snobby and angry sometimes; definitely sarcastic; but i appreciate his honesty.
in an almost unrelated note; talked to DARON SUTTON the other night by the diamondbacks bus here in LA after a game; and it was great to see him. he chatted with me for a minute and i told him that i miss him in milwaukee. he seemed to be genuinely touched and said “thank you. milwaukee has the best fans in baseball.” i told him i still have my buckethead brigade shirt.
"I wore 37 in Tampa... my brother Marcus wore 37... my brother Sam wore 73... my nieces and nephews wear 37... It's a family thing." McClung
I like Daron, but in small doses.
me too.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I've been cool with him the whole second tenure
Do you recall his first time here? Prince of Darkness, etc?
He’s not the greatest, but I think he gets a bad rap.
Again is good
yikes!
i was gonna write bigger fan; then i TRIED to write more tolerant. i must be tired from running at the gym…
"I wore 37 in Tampa... my brother Marcus wore 37... my brother Sam wore 73... my nieces and nephews wear 37... It's a family thing." McClung
HA! (lets not..)
"I wore 37 in Tampa... my brother Marcus wore 37... my brother Sam wore 73... my nieces and nephews wear 37... It's a family thing." McClung
Strike zone has been tight tonight. That one was clearly a ball. Gameday shows it in the batters box.
yep
I tried to rotate gameday in a fashion that would show that ball crossing the front of the plate. no dice.
bad call.
ugh
I don’t recall Counsell kvetching very much in the past
Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.
...and by getting him some runs...
I assume you don’t mean Weeks doing his typical magic act out in the field?
Arroyo has thrown 75 pitches to Manny's 54.
Lets get Arroyo on out of there.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
he's got to pee
...and he doesn’t want to wait for us to foul off 10 pitches of arroyo’s each batter to extend the game.
frackity frack frack
Half a league, half a league, half a league onward, all in the valley of death rode the Brewer's bullpen.
oh crap
i look away 5-10 minutes….
maybe ned is doing the same, because why else is Parra still in there?
When would they have pulled him?
After the first hit of the game? After the first walk? After the second walk, the pitcher was up. You can say they should’ve pulled him after Arroyo got a hit, but that means they would have needed to fire up the bullpen almost right after the first walk of the inning (third baserunner allowed by Parra all game). After he got Keppinger out, he was facing another lefty, so it’d be strange to bring in a righty from the bullpen.
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Yeah, it's not like he was throwing a no-hitter or somethin'
It was just a run of opportune plate appearances for the Reds. Sometimes they come all in a row.
Parra was just one pitch away from getting out of the inning
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by nuclearbrewer on Aug 4, 2008 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Single and walk in a row
when Parra has pitched 4+ innings (or 3 2/3+) innings, he’s nearing the end of his safe zone.
I would think it best to have someone in the pen after 2 runners on. A walk and a double later, he gets pulled.
Given when ned DID go out there, I probably would have pulled him before the one that was the last batter of the inning. So, in other words, if I took over management duties after ol’ Neddie came out the first time, the inning may still be going on. So, I suck:P
This is...
Like deja vu all over again. Tied for the wild card, let’s watch it unravel in Cincy.
Corey did his job
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by nuclearbrewer on Aug 4, 2008 7:53 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
That’ll happen when you get shut out on Sunday.
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With Counsell up...
The only way I would have less confidence is if I was batting.
Or Sheets
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by nuclearbrewer on Aug 4, 2008 7:55 PM CDT up reply actions
isn't he
still batting 1.000 in bases-loaded situations this season?
but the bases weren’t loaded (sample sizes be damned), so I would think it’d be Branyan, Hall or Durham time.
have you noticed Hardy and
Weeks’ performance at the plate lately?
You want contact hitters in the one and two holes.
Weeks and Hardy have been pathetic for two weeks.
by heybatterbatter on Aug 4, 2008 8:09 PM CDT up reply actions
Nope, although he does. Didn't you see the poll?
Manny’s back.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
The pitcher.
AAAAAANNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDD…...........He’s STILL in. WTF
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
There is only one Manny.
He’s on the mound for the Brewers and walking people.
You mean there’s another one? O noz…
You guys,
I’m not watching any more games this season….. or listening to the radio. Ever sense I got back from my trip, every game I have paid attention to the Brewers have lost.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
he'll read the newspaper and celebrate privately
promise me that you will not watch any of the games live, including the world series
tape or tivo it.
I won't know... I'll just assume they still suck. I'll call it the Buhler curse.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
so...
anyone up in the pen or still warm from last inning?
or because Parra was one pitch away from ending this inning…
hmmm. CC comes over and our offense shuts down
the curse of the big man! That’s why the indians sucked this year…
Oh goody
we love solo home runs
only five more solos with get us home – maybe
what's up with that
Who was Prince ticked at?
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by nuclearbrewer on Aug 4, 2008 8:13 PM CDT up reply actions
Branyan?
because we just need 1 more run with a 5% probability, rather than kapler and have like a 15% probability of at least 1 run.
*all numbers made up
Reds' FSN had it
Prince shoved Parra twice, once in the face after they were arguing
Saw it on the MLB.tv feed
The Reds broadcast had it live—Parra and Fielder walking down the dugout side by side, obviously disgruntled with each other. Parra said something, whipped his jacket (I think?) in Prince’s direction, Prince flipped out and shoved him right onto the bench hard, then a bunch of dudes stepped in between to break it up.
Manny probably swiped his tofu slim jim
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by nuclearbrewer on Aug 4, 2008 8:18 PM CDT up reply actions
Manny got shoved hard into the bench and then in the face by Prince Fielder.
Manny Parra is gonna have a brused back.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
I wonder
Maybe Parra thought Fielder should’ve got the ground ball that scored Ross and Arroyo in the 5th?
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Good thing we have Villanueva to pitch when the game is not on the line
And neck size to baby eating ratio.
Good thing the whole team
allowed Villnueva a chance to pitch in a meaningless game.
by heybatterbatter on Aug 4, 2008 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions
Fielder should beat the crap
out of Weeks and Yost.
I think this team is all scared shitless of Fielder.
The man’s got issues, I guess.
Not to mention he can’t play his position worth squat. Look at that replay of Gallardo getting hurt.
for striking out at a fellow teammate
I hope they fine him, and I wouldn’t mind if they sent him to the minors for a week
Fielder always needs a chip on his shoulder
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If so, he should
sit in the opponent’s dugout.
by heybatterbatter on Aug 4, 2008 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Perhaps Prince needs to push more people around if it means Braun hitting a home run
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by nuclearbrewer on Aug 4, 2008 8:25 PM CDT up reply actions
Would you like to volunteer
to be his punching bag? (You’d get to travel with the team….)
by heybatterbatter on Aug 4, 2008 8:31 PM CDT up reply actions
that's easy
he doesn’t put them on securely – can’t bend his knees to reach his toes afterall. Just tries to worm his foot into the sock each morning.
He doesnt put em on like Manny Parra.
Those would take some prying.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
Fielder takes his anger
back to the bench. Look out guys, he’s coming back…..
I'm feeling some LOB here
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
Probably would've if it was hit to left
With Dunn rumbling around out there.
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Hah
You just told the Brewers not to swing at stuff. ;)
by andrew_p on Aug 4, 2008 8:40 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Not until you have ben shove in the face by Prince Fielder.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
He just hasn't been brainwashed
the true way of the Brewers yet.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Aug 4, 2008 8:43 PM CDT up reply actions
He was only a stopgap catcher until Soto caught on. I don’t remember if he was traded to the Cubs before or after Zambrano and Barrett had their little dustup and Barrett was sent away.
After
They sent Barrett to San Diego for Rob Bowen and someone. Bowen and Koyie Hill didn’t hit (surprise) for a month, so they traded for Kendall.
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Rickie got a hit
All it took was almost hitting his competition at second base with the ball.
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Maybe that is the key to Weeks getting hits
Me thinks Durham should sit out in the Bullpen next game, maybe Weeks will hit it there.
"He's been very, very impressive," Yost said. "I mean really impressive. I mean really, really impressive."
by MadJimiBrewha on Aug 4, 2008 8:46 PM CDT up reply actions
Hardy better
shower quickly and disappear into the night….
I wonder if he said anything to Fielder on the way to the dugout
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they all should shower and disappear
don’t forget to put your duds on, guys
by heybatterbatter on Aug 4, 2008 8:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Is it me, or can you put Villy in aviator sunglasses and a Members’ Only jacket and he could be a weekly villain on Miami Vice?
Now the real fun
begins. The post mortem on the dustup.
That’s what makes baseball America’s Pastime.
Spazzosaurus!
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Trying not to read too much into this.
I’ve suspected for a while now that the dedication to Weeks might have as much to do with Fielder’s friendship (and personal volatility) as it does with any real hope that Weeks himself will fulfill his perceived promise. The fight, and the aftermath in which Fielder sought out Weeks, adds to that suspicion. Then again, this is the second year in a row that a move was made in the 2nd half that diminished Weeks’ role, if only temporarily. So I’m probably just impatient and overly cynical.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 4, 2008 9:17 PM CDT reply actions
I don't understand
You mean Weeks gets playing time because Yost is afraid of Fielderr??? Seems like kind of a ridiculous theory if you ask me.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Aug 4, 2008 9:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Afraid is a strong word...
... and not one I used. But there’s a certain logic in a desire to keep your tempermental HR champion happy, and if that means having a little more patience with a struggling 2nd basemen you think might still develop, so be it. Am I wrong? Probably. Ridiculous? Not really. It’s certainly happened in professional sports before (see Winters, Frank, former Packer center, or Pederson, Doug, long time backup Packer QB despite a near total lack of ability to play at the professional level).
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 4, 2008 9:46 PM CDT up reply actions
More probable
The fact that Durham and Counsell are worse than Weeks.
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by SRB on Aug 4, 2008 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Worse how?
I might give you Durham defensively, but aside from power there is nothing that Weeks offers that Counsell hasn’t done better all year. Given the power in the rest of the lineup, I don’t think you can justify forgoing Counsell’s superior defense with Weeks’ 9HRs. Does that mean Counsell should be playing regularly in Weeks’s place? That depends on whether the guy calling the shots has real hope for Weeks finally developing into the player he was supposed to be. If the guy calling the shots thinks there is still hope of development and thinks the playoff chase doesn’t justify playing the older, more consistent player, then so be it. If it’s a close call, is it so hard to believe that a guy like Yost would let personality politics influence him? I don’t see how you can say that.
Again, that doesn’t mean I’m right. I don’t know if I am or not. I just threw it out there because it was something I had thought about on a few occasions.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 4, 2008 10:06 PM CDT up reply actions
Video of the fight...
I had to splice two parts together, so you’ll see it stutter for a second and repeat. OOps.
Yost in the post game
Said something like “its rude to go knock on your neighbor’s door if you hear them arguing and this is like that.”
Its rude to ask about players fighting – sure Ned.
What a weird, terrible analogy.
Weird because all he had to say was “it’s an internal thing”, terrible because if you hear (not to mention see) your neighbors hitting each other, the matter escalates to the public realm.
In short, I don’t like Ned.
Well...
... he did say arguing, instead of neighbors hitting each other. That’s intellectually dishonest since Fielder and Parra didn’t just have a verbal disagreement, but intellectual dishonesty is almost an art form with Ned in post game interviews and thus not all that surprising here. We should probably be grateful he didn’t just say “What fight? I didn’t see any fight. Never happened.” And then after they showed him the video “That’s clearly been doctored.”
As an aside, I like Fielder a lot better when he looks like he’s going to tear Tony Larussa’s face off instead of Manny Parra’s.
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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Aug 4, 2008 10:15 PM CDT up reply actions
Hardricourt was just on SportsCenter via phone
Said that the hearsay was Parra was heading up the tunnel to the clubhouse after getting pulled, Fielder didn’t like that he gave up 6 runs and wasn’t sticking around to watch.
Dubious
That doesn’t sound believable at all, more likely Parra said something.
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it jibes with the mlb.com site report
more or less
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
On the news
The whole “neighbors arguing” analogy - the impression I got was that it’s rude to ask why they were fighting. Essentially that the fight was none of our business.
His contempt for the Brewer consumer is downright Haudricourtian.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I don't know how
reporters keep their cool when interviewing him and asking him questions in the post-game. After the “none of your business”-type response, I would have loved to see a reporter ask him if he’s lost control of his team.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Sounds like I missed quite a show
Why did I choose to go see ‘Dark Knight’ again tonight?
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
Because
it’s only like one of the most awesome movies of all time.
:)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
So true
My parents hadn’t seen it yet, so I got to go for free this time, which makes it even better.
I think it’s my favorite movie now :)
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
I read somewhere
that Heath Ledger might win a Best Supporting Oscar for his role. Normally, I’d assume it was sensationalized because he died, but he was phenomenal.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I don't think I've ever rooted so much for a bad guy
Or wished that TheJay would let me give him a makeover :}
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
you know what that means
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
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