Game Thread #115: Brewers (63-51) at Reds (52-62)
by Jeff Sackmann
on Aug 6, 2008 10:40 AM CDT
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Milwaukee Brewers @ Cincinnati Reds
For all the hoopla over Homer Bailey in the years since the Reds took him in the first round, he hasn't been worth much more to Cinci this year than Mark Rogers has been to the Brewers. Kind of odd that, despite all that hype, Johnny Cueto and Edinson Volquez (who, to be fair, wasn't in the org until this season) have completely overtaken him.
So yeah, Bailey is 0-5 with a 7.55 ERA this year. He was solid in Triple-A, but has walked guys like crazy everywhere he's been. Going for us this afternoon is Jeff Suppan, who has also been walking more batters than usual, but at least has an ERA under 5, and is coming off his second best start of the year.
Game time is 11:35 CT, and here's the BR Game Preview.
Go Brewers!
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This is one of those match ups that makes me inexplicably nervous.
Coffee is for closers
by drezdn on
Aug 6, 2008 11:09 AM CDT
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yes, quite inexplicable
0-5, 7+ ERA opposing pitcher
he will own us:P
by PagsBrewCrew on
Aug 6, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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Bill Castro is already doing his part for the Brewers in 2009
From McCalvy’s game preview:
“Brewers bullpen coach Bill Castro, who will serve as the pitching coach for the Dominican Republic in next year’s World Baseball Classic, spent time Tuesday lobbying Reds closer Francisco Cordero to pitch in the tournament. Young Reds hurlers Johnny Cueto and Edinson Volquez also have tentatively agreed to pitch.”
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by TheJay on
Aug 6, 2008 11:17 AM CDT
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A win would make this a nice roadtrip
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
by dux2bux on
Aug 6, 2008 11:28 AM CDT
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And Powell just said that Jeffress got promoted to Huntsville
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
by dux2bux on
Aug 6, 2008 11:35 AM CDT
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cool!
if he’s successful, that put his on track to possibility help the big club by the second half ‘09.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Aug 6, 2008 11:53 AM CDT
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A thought
I wonder if the Moustache has checked with Thompson about a trade for Favre in exchange for Mota. Would seem to solve both teams problems and heck, Favre might have a nice fastball!!!
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
Aug 6, 2008 11:37 AM CDT
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Expect a trade today or tomorrow.
Why aren’t the Dolphins asking about him?
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
by BrewerLover on
Aug 6, 2008 11:51 AM CDT
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Dan Marino won’t let them.
Coffee is for closers
by drezdn on
Aug 6, 2008 11:54 AM CDT
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Counsell starting two days in a row?
He ate a doughnut yesterday.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
by BrewerLover on
Aug 6, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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Hardy had a decent day yesterday so Yost wants to rest him the day before a day off.
Coffee is for closers
by drezdn on
Aug 6, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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Hey a productive out.
"You are only a success at the moment that you do a successful act"
-Tex Winter
by stork02 on
Aug 6, 2008 11:40 AM CDT
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He put the ball in play 4 times.
"You are only a success at the moment that you do a successful act"
-Tex Winter
by stork02 on
Aug 6, 2008 11:41 AM CDT
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Can't argue with that.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
by BrewerLover on
Aug 6, 2008 11:43 AM CDT
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Or his defense.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
by BrewerLover on
Aug 6, 2008 11:45 AM CDT
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Wow...there's already a game today?
yowsas
I just woke up (practically)
by PagsBrewCrew on
Aug 6, 2008 11:47 AM CDT
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Bailey has already thrown 21 pitches.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
by BrewerLover on
Aug 6, 2008 11:49 AM CDT
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he plays for cincy
so he’ll pitch a CG
by PagsBrewCrew on
Aug 6, 2008 11:50 AM CDT
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How are Corey Hart’s defensive stats?
"You are only a success at the moment that you do a successful act"
-Tex Winter
by stork02 on
Aug 6, 2008 11:52 AM CDT
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Nice play by Rickie
Usually that sort of ball toward him would’ve scored the guy from second.
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by TheJay on
Aug 6, 2008 11:55 AM CDT
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Whatever.......
.....if we can’t score one run against this guy we have more to worry about then a loss.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
by BrewerLover on
Aug 6, 2008 11:56 AM CDT
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Cameron looked like Corey Patterson there
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by TheJay on
Aug 6, 2008 11:58 AM CDT
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Who needs RISP?
Double ‘em in from first.
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by TheJay on
Aug 6, 2008 12:06 PM CDT
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Wow, nice hit DICK
Weeks with an RBI Single
Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle
by reverse24 on
Aug 6, 2008 12:12 PM CDT
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Weeks’ fielding % is going through the roof
"You are only a success at the moment that you do a successful act"
-Tex Winter
by stork02 on
Aug 6, 2008 12:17 PM CDT
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A TheJay question
What is the record for consecutive outs/assists by a fielder to start a game.
by Getting Yosted on
Aug 6, 2008 12:19 PM CDT
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I'm not sure
A couple catchers have had nine putouts to start a game due to strikeouts and pop-ups.
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by TheJay on
Aug 6, 2008 12:26 PM CDT
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No, it went over it by like 6 inches.
"Get up, get up, get outta' here, GONE!!!"
by BrewerLover on
Aug 6, 2008 12:36 PM CDT
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Two more years of Suppan....
His no trade clause runs out after this year though!
by NoahJ on
Aug 6, 2008 12:38 PM CDT
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Bruce/ Votto comparison was the stupidest thing I've ever seen
The only thing their swings have in common are that they are both lefties. Bruce has a high leg kick, while Votto swing is much longer.
by brewfan2 on
Aug 6, 2008 12:38 PM CDT
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Wonder if Prince
is making sure Suppan is watching between innings because he and the boys have to watch Suppan’s crap
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
Aug 6, 2008 12:44 PM CDT
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displaced aggression
since Fielder picked on Manny, now it’s manny’s turn to pick on someone else further down the pecking order. So, I guess that’s Manny’s job now.
by PagsBrewCrew on
Aug 6, 2008 12:46 PM CDT
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How long before
Mota gets shoved then?
"I think this decision could go either way," Baseball Tonight legal analyst John Kruk said.
by ZTK Always on Vacation on
Aug 6, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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Billy Hall showing off his
Double B’s
"I think this decision could go either way," Baseball Tonight legal analyst John Kruk said.
by ZTK Always on Vacation on
Aug 6, 2008 12:46 PM CDT
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Maybe Prince
can get him a deal on manssieres.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on
Aug 6, 2008 12:58 PM CDT
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How'd Billy
get doubled up there? I have gameday going
"I think this decision could go either way," Baseball Tonight legal analyst John Kruk said.
by ZTK Always on Vacation on
Aug 6, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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didn’t get back to first in time after the ball was caught
by ol Pete on
Aug 6, 2008 12:48 PM CDT
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So...
it wasn’t like a diving catch, just a lazy fly ball? WTF?
"I think this decision could go either way," Baseball Tonight legal analyst John Kruk said.
by ZTK Always on Vacation on
Aug 6, 2008 12:49 PM CDT
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deep in the corner caught on the fly and a strong throw to first
by ol Pete on
Aug 6, 2008 12:50 PM CDT
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was he standing on second?
was it a shallow fly?
you sir, just stated the obvious
“didn’t get back to first in time after the ball was caught”
I think we figured that out from “Bill Hall doubled off 1st”
by PagsBrewCrew on
Aug 6, 2008 12:50 PM CDT
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He's got a future
in play by play broadcasting…
"I think this decision could go either way," Baseball Tonight legal analyst John Kruk said.
by ZTK Always on Vacation on
Aug 6, 2008 12:51 PM CDT
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"can't let that happen"
not the first time that’s been said about Billy’s baserunning
by ol Pete on
Aug 6, 2008 12:47 PM CDT
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He is one of the worst base runners I’ve ever seen
by Supertramp on
Aug 6, 2008 12:50 PM CDT
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A lot of competition for the title of worst, but he’s had some ugly mistakes.
by ol Pete on
Aug 6, 2008 12:53 PM CDT
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It's a tight competition for the batting clown
Cameron-.231
Weeks-.230
Hall-.229
But Kendall is still lapping the field with an eye adjusted .243 BA.
by Getting Yosted on
Aug 6, 2008 1:01 PM CDT
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Sure am glad
we got Counsell’s bat in there today in place of JJ. No need to let JJ continue to work out of his funk after a better day yesterday. Ned is a genius, we are so lucky to have him on our side along with math.
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
Aug 6, 2008 1:02 PM CDT
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Oh no, it's like a nightmare
“He barely gets it up…” :(
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 1:05 PM CDT
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nightmare scenario
it becomes referred to as a “Bailey”
by ol Pete on
Aug 6, 2008 1:06 PM CDT
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when they get back to milwaukee...
...i’m sure that won’t be a problem.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Aug 6, 2008 1:08 PM CDT
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Suppan hates
to pitch with a lead
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
Aug 6, 2008 1:10 PM CDT
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He's caught Wes Obermueller Syndrome
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by TheJay on
Aug 6, 2008 1:11 PM CDT
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it's dueling suck
(insert dueling banjos music in background)
by PagsBrewCrew on
Aug 6, 2008 1:16 PM CDT
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Trenni
looking kinda frumpy today
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 1:21 PM CDT
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cat fight cat fight!!
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM CDT
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Suits just look better on her is all
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
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Aug 6, 2008 1:24 PM CDT
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Jeff says
you look mighty fine in a suit!
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
Aug 6, 2008 1:25 PM CDT
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But what Jeff didn't tell you
Is he meant a birthday one.
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by TheJay on
Aug 6, 2008 1:27 PM CDT
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Oh snap
Are you guys sharing photos again?
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 1:28 PM CDT
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If by "sharing"
you meant posting on the web… well yes.
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
Aug 6, 2008 1:33 PM CDT
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You know
You could’ve just searched, I know there are some out there
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM CDT
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been there, done that, struck out.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM CDT
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She doesn’t want Lou Pinella to complain about how she’s dressed.
Coffee is for closers
by drezdn on
Aug 6, 2008 1:22 PM CDT
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Did you see
Trenni’s comments about Andrews?
by jllyons on
Aug 6, 2008 1:25 PM CDT
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WTF?
Sheets is wearing a turban?
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 1:23 PM CDT
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Swami Ben
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Aug 6, 2008 1:24 PM CDT
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That's awesome
I expect to see 1000 of those at the games this weekend
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 1:29 PM CDT
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SQUEEZE
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
Aug 6, 2008 1:27 PM CDT
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GRITTTTTTTTT
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
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Weird
What happen to Dusty letting pitchers throw a million pitches before he pulls them? Has Dusty learned a new trick?
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by 80badger on
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2nd four hit game of his career
The other was May 21, 2007.
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by TheJay on
Aug 6, 2008 1:35 PM CDT
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that Durham trade looks better all the time
by ol Pete on
Aug 6, 2008 1:33 PM CDT
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couldn't we have just used
a cowboy boot up the ass and saved the $$$
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on
Aug 6, 2008 1:34 PM CDT
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Late to the party today
Sorry, I got hung up … so, yeah, Weeks sucks! Fire Yost! The team is collapsing after the dugout fracas! What? Oops, thought I was on commenting on the Brewers blog at JSOnline.
4-for-4 Rickie is fun, except when he hits it so hard Kendall can’t score from second with 2 outs.
Use the brown eye, ump!
by Bay View Brewer on
Aug 6, 2008 1:36 PM CDT
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Hung up?
That sounds either very uncomfortable or extremely fun
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 1:37 PM CDT
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Too obscene
I wanted to borrow from the old Dave Chapelle line: “Sorry, I’m late kids. Santa got hung up with some pussy in Vegas.” Thought that might be of questionable taste for the board, but it’s too late for that now, isn’t it?
Anyway, uh, I wasn’t in Vegas this morning, and I’ll leave it at that. Much less interesting start to the day than is worth sharing.
Use the brown eye, ump!
by Bay View Brewer on
Aug 6, 2008 1:39 PM CDT
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Questionable taste?
I’m allowed on here, so there’s no such thing
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 1:43 PM CDT
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Life in the Queen City
I don’t get how people live there. Every shot of a game in Cincinnati – especially day games – always looks like the people there are sweating and suffering more than if they were hanging out south of hell in August.
Is the chili really that spectacular?
Use the brown eye, ump!
by Bay View Brewer on
Aug 6, 2008 1:45 PM CDT
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Wow, that looks pretty good
Good go for some of that. Also, that has to be the most shallow bowl chili has ever been served in. OK, maybe it is worth it for the chili.
Use the brown eye, ump!
by Bay View Brewer on
Aug 6, 2008 1:52 PM CDT
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It’s served on plates. Comes as 3 alarm or 4 alarm et cetera. I forget what they mean exactly but its a reference to addition of items. One of them is raw onions and I’m always for raw onions.
Cincinnati is a nice place. It has some extreme politics that were surprising to me. Sort of Midwestern flavor mixed with the South.
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Aug 6, 2008 1:55 PM CDT
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Again, more positives
I stand corrected. I would put raw onions on Cap’n Crunch. Can’t get enough of that stuff.
Not sure about the extreme politics.
Hey, Cameron!
Use the brown eye, ump!
by Bay View Brewer on
Aug 6, 2008 2:01 PM CDT
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The chili is much thicker than typical chili as the meat is finely ground
And it comes in a 3-way : Spaghetti, Chili, Cheese
4-way: A 3-way with either beans or onions
5-way: everything.
Or you can get a Coney which is a hot dog with chili and cheese (onions and mustard optional).
And the humidity can be a bitch in Cincinnati, but I once spent a summer in Atlanta and I’ll take Cincinnati’s summer every time over that steam bath.
Bend over and drop your pants, Mr. Babar.
by Slyde on
Aug 6, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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Hot-'lanta
I’ve been in Atlanta twice, both times in late August. That was pretty rough. I remember asking a local how they handle 96 degrees with humidity all the time, and his response, “This is actually one of the cooler days!”
Man, that chili sounds delicious. Might have to make a Brewers road trip next year and get some of that.
Use the brown eye, ump!
by Bay View Brewer on
Aug 6, 2008 2:20 PM CDT
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pop over and see us at Red Reporter if you do
we’ll get you set up for the Cincinnati experience, which basically is having some chili and spending your time in northern Kentucky.
Bend over and drop your pants, Mr. Babar.
by Slyde on
Aug 6, 2008 2:24 PM CDT
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Did anyone else hear the Jaws theme song during that play?
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
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Crapping his pants
Catcher did a good job of rolling off Prince’s shoulder on that play. Looks also like Prince kind of held up because he thought he might kill the guy.
Use the brown eye, ump!
by Bay View Brewer on
Aug 6, 2008 1:51 PM CDT
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Dang
"I think this decision could go either way," Baseball Tonight legal analyst John Kruk said.
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Aug 6, 2008 1:51 PM CDT
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Nice play by outfield?
Or should Prince have held up?
"I think this decision could go either way," Baseball Tonight legal analyst John Kruk said.
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The ball was almost hit to the warning track
Big boy’s just a little too slow
Use the brown eye, ump!
by Bay View Brewer on
Aug 6, 2008 1:53 PM CDT
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Does Ned let soup go another inning and bat
if nobody gets on ahead of him.? 92 pitches
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Aug 6, 2008 1:59 PM CDT
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I think possible insurance runs
are more important than having soup out there in the eighth/resting the bullpen, especially with the off day tomorrow.
"I think this decision could go either way," Baseball Tonight legal analyst John Kruk said.
by ZTK Always on Vacation on
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Rickie gonna pull a Molitor?
5 hits? Maybe?
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He’s just trying to get Tom Haudricourt to stop calling for his head.
Coffee is for closers
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Aug 6, 2008 2:05 PM CDT
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There's a way to do that?
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
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Aug 6, 2008 2:06 PM CDT
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no...no...
Tom H. is too much of a stalker for you to call him off from you that easily kirbir.
by PagsBrewCrew on
Aug 6, 2008 2:24 PM CDT
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Damnit
And I was so looking forward to changing in front of my window in privacy
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 2:26 PM CDT
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really...
go ahead with that if you want. I really DON’T have a photographer across the street in that unmarked van.
by PagsBrewCrew on
Aug 6, 2008 2:27 PM CDT
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I was wondering why someone is out in the corn all the time
I thought it was just the harvest peoples
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 2:28 PM CDT
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So close ...
... oh well.
Use the brown eye, ump!
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Aug 6, 2008 2:06 PM CDT
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Berkman RBI
1-1, top 3 at Wrigley
Just can’t stop looking over at the Cubs.
Use the brown eye, ump!
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Aug 6, 2008 2:11 PM CDT
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3-run HR Lee
4-1, ‘Stros, Top 3
See what I mean?
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by Bay View Brewer on
Aug 6, 2008 2:12 PM CDT
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Shit, a HR from Dunn and we're back to even.
by Flag Up on
Aug 6, 2008 2:14 PM CDT
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oh boy
Shouse walks a man in front of Big Country
by ol Pete on
Aug 6, 2008 2:14 PM CDT
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Yost
Gonna pull Shouse
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 2:15 PM CDT
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I think Brian just said that Edwin E has homered twice this season off Gagne… gulp.
by ol Pete on
Aug 6, 2008 2:17 PM CDT
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if he hits a homer, Ned should be fired today
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Aug 6, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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According to Jeff Brantley we're ok
Edwin isn’t clutch.
by Getting Yosted on
Aug 6, 2008 2:18 PM CDT
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That was the old Gagne, before the long vacation via “injury” and injections of Hydrogenated Gummy Hydrox cookies
Coffee is for closers
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Aug 6, 2008 2:31 PM CDT
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In retrospect
putting Gagne in there was a good idea
but I guess it was more that leaving Shouse in would have been an incredibly bad idea.
by PagsBrewCrew on
Aug 6, 2008 2:25 PM CDT
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Nice day for Rickie
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
by kirbir on
Aug 6, 2008 2:33 PM CDT
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Backe serving a meatball dinner in Chicago
Man is Len Kasper a jerk
by ol Pete on
Aug 6, 2008 2:34 PM CDT
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Almost a record
The 11 assists by Rickie Weeks was one away from the ML record of 12 in a nine inning game.
by statsllc on
Aug 6, 2008 2:38 PM CDT
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IIRC
Juan Samuel shares that record. He would have broken it, except he booted what would have been the record breaker and didn’t get another chance.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on
Aug 6, 2008 2:46 PM CDT
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Juan Samuel...
not clutch.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Aug 6, 2008 8:26 PM CDT
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4-2 this month...
... meaning the Brewers need to go 13-8 the rest of the month to hit the 17 win plateau and put themselves in a position to hit 90 wins by playing just over .500 ball (13-12) in September.
FDR can suck it. - Jeff Sackmann
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on
Aug 6, 2008 5:46 PM CDT
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not that it matters much
but 26 games in september, not 25. given the schedule, i’ll take 13-13 out of that month…though i’d be much happier with 13-13 if we win those 17+ games you mention in august.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Aug 6, 2008 8:28 PM CDT
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| W | L | PCT | GB | STRK | |
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St. Louis
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45 | 39 | .535 | 0 | Won 1 |
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Milwaukee
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43 | 39 | .524 | 1 | Lost 1 |
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Chicago
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40 | 39 | .506 | 2.5 | Won 1 |
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Cincinnati
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40 | 40 | .500 | 3 | Lost 1 |
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Houston
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38 | 41 | .481 | 4.5 | Lost 2 |
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Pittsburgh
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37 | 45 | .451 | 7 | Lost 2 |
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