90 win season rotation option

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 12:16 PM CDT Comment 19 comments

It will take seven wins in the next twelve to get to the ninety win threshold, something that seemed almost guaranteed on August 1st. Assuming that to be a laudable goal for a season that is unraveling a little later than usual, what kind of pitching rotation would be the best option?

Can we get more out of CC and Sheets rather than using them with four days rest, as was Yost's routine ? Starting CC and Sheets in games 1 and 2 is already going to happen, but they should be starting games 5 and 6, as well as 9 and 10 and CC for the final regular season game. That's seven games with the best chance to get to 90 wins. Whadya think?

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4 Man Rotation

I’d try and eliminate Bush and Soup from the island, BIG time. They have just been too consistently inconsistent all year. Though, one is capable as a work horse with a nicer post season resume.

I’d try and make it a 4 man rotation:

CC
Sheeter
Man-ram
Soup

by Lavender on Sep 15, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Parra?

He’s been awful over the last month. Melvin & Co. completely disregarded the conventional wisdom of upping a pitcher’s yearly inning totals in increments of 30IP and now his arm is shot. He can still touch 95, but his command is a joke right now. If it weren’t so damn close to the end of the season, I’d say sit him for a turn in the rotation and hope he comes back stronger. Hell, I’d still do that – see if you can get him some rest before we hit the playoffs.

Conversely, Bush has been great with the exception of his Sep 3rd start – I’m not sure where you’re getting this “inconsistently consistent” nonsense from.

by bklanecky on Sep 15, 2008 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I totally agree

that Parra has been mishandled – for the reason you give. Ditto on Bush. He survived the Yosting re “shared” start duty with McClung.

Maybe use Parra to start the first playoff game (god willing) and keep him on a very short leash.

Maybe.

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Actually

Parra right now is only 27 innings beyond what he threw last year.

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by TheJay on Sep 15, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Maybe it's not an "innings pitched" issue

but my eyes tell me there is an unresolved issue with the guy (who I hope will spend a successful career with the Brewers).

The guy is not fooling dozens of batters for the past six weeks, give or take. This does not seem to be a “luck” or “slump” condition.

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 1:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

27 innings?

That would be the equivalent of three more complete games or maybe four more “quality” starts. Who knows how much is too much? The manager and coach are monitoring that and apparently they think Parra has pitched just the right number of innings. Which get us back to…management. (Another thread, to be sure.)

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 1:25 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't think that's true

gameday will show his pitches and their location

by ol Pete on Sep 15, 2008 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Parra and Soup

would be my choice. We know McClung can start, right?

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Further, I would be using

Torres much more frequently. He never misses an opportunity to tell interviewers that he is at his best when used often. He says his pitches break more effectively with more frequent use. Seems to me it’s now time to move him to another role, say, “prime reliever after seven innings”

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 12:58 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Didn't Dillard start for most of the season

in the minors?

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 1:06 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Not this year

He used to be a full-time starter but he spent part of last year and all of this year in the bullpen.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Sep 15, 2008 1:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Thanks

Good to know. But it seems like we’re at “grasping at straws” time now. Maybe the rotation would feel better if it was CC, Sheets, Bush and Flip ACoin.

McClung and Dillard and Villanueva are capable of five good innings on the front end of any game, imo.

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 1:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Suppan is capable of five good innings, as well

On the other hand, Suppan, McClung and Villanueva are also all quite capable of giving up four or more runs in five innings.

Dillard hasn’t gone beyond 3 1/3 IP in an outing for Nashville or Milwaukee all season, so expecting him to give you five innings is a stretch. We’ve seen Villanueva as a starter this year, and it wasn’t pretty. Add in the fact he’s not stretched out to go more than three innings or so and it’s tough to justify putting him out there. McClung presents the same problem, having not thrown more than two innings in an appearance for nearly two months. Could they go five good innings? It’s possible, but I wouldn’t count on it.

I guess you could argue they should make it a “bullpen game,” and give each guy a couple innings but that really limits your bullpen options for the games before and after that one, even if each guy throws flawlessly.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Sep 15, 2008 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes, and

we are at the close of a season (feels that way) and a committee start is not such a bad idea, given the weak hand the team is currently holding. Except for our two Aces, the rest of the rotation is maybe a Jack and two trays. Discard the two trays and….

Game 4 – McClung, Villanueva, and Mota

Game 8 – McClung, Villanueva and Mota

With the total number of arms in the pen, it’s hard to argue for being conservative in their use.

With Bush starting games 3, 7 and 11.

Save Suppan and Parra to “heal” before the playoffs.

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 2:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

1948 Boston Braves

“Spahn, Sain and two days of rain” was the cry.

Damn that retractable roof!

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 1:35 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

maybe we can sabotage the roof?

by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 15, 2008 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Now, THIS is what we need -

more out of the box thinking here!

It’s crunch time for a rotor or gear or something.

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Eliminating Bush and keeping Parra is the height of ignorance.

by HRF on Sep 15, 2008 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Excellent

We seem to be consensing here that Soup and Parra should to go “on leave” until at least the regular season is over. Any dissenting opinions?

Anyone know how we can get our missive to Dale Swami?

by heybatterbatter on Sep 15, 2008 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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