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We Hold These Truths To Be Self-Evident

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In the wake of the Yost-Canning (and the Bloginental Blogress), these are the Truths I hold to be Self-Evident:

1. That Mark A. -- and pretty much only Mark A. -- was behind the shite-canning of Nedly Yost. Forget that "collective decision" business.

2. Dougie Stache didn't want this to happen. I was almost taken aback at how not-on-board-with-the-call his press-conference remarks seemed. There was no way he was going to say anything that was openly defiant, but his hesitance to say anything strongly in favor of it was really telling. (To the question of "Why now?," Dougie said, "That's a difficult one to answer myself.")

3. Consequently, you have to wonder if Doug's gig is also in jeopardy over the offseason. The resistance on this issue with Mark A., and Doug's inability to build a decent bullpen, could hurt him in the end.

4. At one point, J.J. Hardy was in the anti-Yost camp, but somehow he was won over. (from MLB.com: "I liked Ned," Hardy said. "I think there were guys that didn't and some guys that did, and I think that's the way it is with every manager on every team. I think there are a ton of players around the big leagues that are playing for managers they don't like."

5. Contrary to what Ryan Braun said, an anti-Yost camp DID exist within the team. My guesses? It included Bill Hall, Corey Hart and Rickie Weeks. Yost may have protected his players to a fault in the media, but the dick-headedness and condescension that defined most of his interaction with the press had to carry over at least a little bit into his dealings with his players -- and I doubt it went over real well.

6. The "Nervous Ned" stuff that Johnny Estrada threw out after he left Milwaukee was very real. (Hardy, from MLB.com again: "Whatever he did, I feel like a lot of players were thinking that way, that it was a nervous reaction.") Estrada is still a lazy piece of shite, but he wasn't lying about the players' lack of faith in Ned's crunch-time baseball IQ.

7. The anonymous Brewer who told ESPN it was time for a change could very well have been Mike Cameron, given that the writer who got the quote (Amy Nelson) did a feature on him earlier in the year.

8. If this had been done earlier in the season, Skaalen would have been out the door with Ned. You're not really going to bring in a new hitting coach, with new philosophies, with 12 games left. At this point the only goal of personnel changes is, as Dale said, for "the shock factor." Skaalen is guaranteed to be gone after the year is over, and probably Maddux along with him. Ed Cedar is too good at fist-bumps/shin-guard collection to let go.

9. That Yount coming back into the fold doesn't mean he's going to make a long-term commitment to coach in the Brewers system. Sveum said that Yount was his best friend. I see this more as a favor than a return-to-the-family situation.

10. That CC, not Sveum, is going to end this losing streak on Tuesday night in Chicago. As for what happens after that, I have a good feeling. I just wonder how long it will last.

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Why could Hart, of all people, be on the Ned hater brigade? Likewise with Weeks, because if he hates a guy backing him up from the moment he threw balls into the lodge level as a rookie to the moment he was rumblin’ stumblin’ and fumbling the ball against the Cubs, all while batting a sparkling 233 line as a lead off hitter, he’d be pretty thick skulled.

And don’t just get in a tizzy over an annonomous quote. Because with your logic, anyone she interviewed on the Crew said it, as if she didn’t talk to others if she talked with another.

*Ed Sedar

This was like a top ten of the most convoluted conspiracy twaddle somone could pull out their head from the last day.

It’s not that I’ve quit on this team, but CC isn’t a given with Dempster’s numbers at that ugly stadium. All I hope is that this was a slap in the face of the players and makes them feel as though they can be canned just as fast for crap performance, which has been on the played time and time again.

by Lavender on Sep 16, 2008 9:16 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

as to Hart

Hart was invariably pulled in a double-switch, no matter how good he was doing offensively or defensively when it came time for a double-switch. This occurred even if Cameron was batting after him in the order and was doing poorly – but most of the time Cam was batting 2nd so one could argue that in most circumstances Ned did it to keep the pitcher from batting too soon – and he had a better position player and batter in Kapler for the outfield than he did for anyone in the infield.

Okay…that was a poorly constructed sentence. If anyone needs me to re-state it I can try:P In any case, Hart has every reason to be anti-Yost from Yost’s behavior up until the last week.

by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 16, 2008 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

If you make the final out before the double-switch has to be made, you don’t really have a lot to complain about when you’re double-switched out.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Sep 16, 2008 2:09 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

he rarely was, at least in my recollection

usually he was the 1st or 2nd out in the previous inning and in some cases he had gotten a hit in the previous inning.

by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 16, 2008 2:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good points all

Though I think…

1. Mark A. truly respects Doug Melvin, and is pleased with his performance. Even if the Crew misses the playoffs, in Mark A.’s mind, I bet the fault lies with Ned and not Doug. (This is for better or for worse: I think Moustache is still a GM, but the shine off of his sterling reputation has worn off a little bit.)

2. This probably is mostly for shock factor, but I think there’s something to be said for Ned’s nervousness/“intensity”. Anyone, and especially young players, is going to feel the pressure in a playoff chase. If the proper response of a manager in that situation is to chill out the team, well, I don’t think Ned was very good at that part. He doesn’t exactly exude calm confidence, you know? (Yes, I think this was part of last season’s meltdown as well.)

3. With CC on the mound, there’s a very good chance we’ll win tonight. If we do, the conventional wisdom will become, “look, it was the right move after all.”

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 16, 2008 9:20 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

as to 3

I disagree with the “conventional wisdom” statement. I figure that most fans expect CC to win (via a CG shutout) no matter who is managing. If Sveum pulls him after 7, no matter what the score at the time, fans will blame Sveum if we end up losing.

I think “conventional wisdom” will kick in if we win Sheet’s and/or Parra’s next start in the rotation – then Sveum will be credited.

CC is too much of a “guarantee” to give credit for a win to anyone other than CC.

Lets hope CC lives up to his end of the bargain though.

by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 16, 2008 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I agree

But if the Brewers win tonight - even if it’s all due to a complete game shutout - I think you’ll see some analysis on Wednesday saying “hey, it’s paying off right away.” (On the flip side, if it were Suppan pitching tomorrow and we lost 12-10, people would call firing Yost a huge mistake.)

I guess, I think this first game will have greater weight than it should as to whether or not firing Yost was a good idea. Fortunately for Sveum, CC’s on the mound.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Sep 16, 2008 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the conventional wisdom

will be that more runs scored signals a positive change more than pitching

by ol Pete on Sep 16, 2008 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't see Rickie and Billy being anti-Yost

There’s a good chance that Rickie becomes a part time player here or elsewhere. Same for Billy, although I think a smart team that needs a shortstop should scoop him up. If you take out his cluster of errors around the time Branyan arrived, his defensive numbers are probably pretty good. His hitting will probably be a bit better than this year and he has pop.

But all in all Billy should be thankful for every start since the ASB.

by ol Pete on Sep 16, 2008 1:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Billy's argument for why he sucks

Is that he didn’t get the chance to ever be in a stable, everyday-player situation. I don’t really agree with him … but would it really be shocking to find out that Billy disliked Ned, when Billy was jerked around so much, both position-wise and platoon-wise?

Tararreling our way to the finish line.

by MooseHaas on Sep 16, 2008 4:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

could be

I would never use the phrase “jerked around.” Platoon wise he has no complaints. Not only has he performed poorly, but he still swings wildly at shit and seems to be swinging for HRs.

But you might be right that he feels that way.

by ol Pete on Sep 16, 2008 4:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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