Tuesday's Frosty Mug
Good morning Brewer fans, and welcome to the first day of the rest of our lives.
I'm sure other teams played yesterday, but I could care less. Today's Mug is all about the long overdue decision to take on a new direction and save a small fortune on coffee.
If you haven't yet, take a moment to go add your signature to the First Bloginental Blogress.
I have over 30 links related to Ned Yost's departure, and no idea how to sort them. I guess we can start with the newsy ones. Tom H. says the order probably came from Mark A., Ned didn't see it coming and collects some other opinions on Yost. The third opinion on that last link, from Chris De Luca of the Chicago Sun-Times, nails it.
Also, for a second, let's take a step back and look at Ned's reaction again:
Ok, this one is for Ned, Al, Murray Chass, 6-4-2, and anyone else who either called the move "inexplicable" or treated the situation like Yost was fine until a slow start in September: YOU HAVE NO CONCEPT. Yes, this is unusual timing. It's also unusual timing when you pay your bills from August of 2006 in September of 2008. But that doesn't change the fact that they're long overdue.
I think I'm going to have to do other reactions in bullet points or I'll still be writing this at noon:
- Two Fisted Slopper has the longest (if not the best) reaction, divided into four parts.
- Baseball Musings is calling this a wake-up call for the team.
- Chuckie Hacks wants to know if you agree with the move. Tomorrow he'll ask if winter is cold.
- Fire Ned Yost celebrates a victory. Even if it's not about Yost, I hope Marty will keep that blog around. Now it's just an ironic title for a frequently well-written and insightful blog.
- In-Between Hops wrote a poem, and discovered nothing rhymes with Sveum.
- The Brew Town Beat thought 2008 was Ned's best season as manager since his first season.
- View From Bernie's Chalet loves the move.
- The Yost Infection has a picture that pretty much sums it up.
- Tyler Maas of Bugs & Cranks says Yost was the worst Brewer manager of the last two weeks.
- Goat Riders of the Apocalypse will miss Ned's late-season fades.
- Dan Agonistes takes a look at other mid-to-late season managerial changes and their impact.
- The Griddle offers some precedent for a firing this late on a contending team: The 2000 New Jersey Devils, who went on to win the Stanley Cup.
- Geoff Baker has another precedent that may have aided in the decision making process: The Expos firing of Dick Williams in September of 1981, which led to an eventual playoff berth. Baker, Doug Melvin and Gord Ash are all Canadian.
- Ken Rosenthal says the move might save the Brewers season.
- MLB Fanhouse confesses to calling the move "drastic" and "desperate," but also acknowledges that a last-ditch effort to save the season was warranted.
- Peter Schmuck is thoroughly undecided. There's still room to sit next to him on the fence.
- Lone Star Ball called the move "odd."
So, how about Dale Sveum? The Official Site has a nice profile of him from yesterday's press conference. This picture, taken afterwards with Sveum looking off into the future, could not have been posed better. Plus, he got through the whole press conference without saying "math is on our side." That's good enough for me.
Of course, a commenter at Al's is already calling for his firing. Again, NO CONCEPT.
Oh, and the Astros got a taste of the classiness of Cubs fans and Debbie Downer attended a game at Miller Park yesterday.
Drink up. Drink two, in fact. It's a big day.
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So...
Have the Brewers started to stock #29 jerseys for fans to buy during the final homestand?
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I still think...
they should have given Kapler the job. It’d be just like when Lance Harbor coached the West Canaan High football team to the championship.
So let us say that Ned Yost = Jim Tracy
to use an example I’m more familiar with. Tracy used to mangle the lefty/righty platoon pitching issues all the time, and send the wrong guys out to their doom, and yet I find it interesting that it was a Tony LaRussa hack job that provided the fodder for the Grabowski Principle, well-known to Dodger fans in certain locales. The Principle got its genesis in a May 10, 2005 game in St. Louis against Los Angeles in which LaRussa had inserted reliever Kevin Jarvis to protect a 7-3 lead.
Now, Jarvis’ entry into the game was a dubious call in its own right. True, the Cardinals had a four-run lead, and true, the Dodgers weren’t setting the league on fire offensively (they finished 13th in the league in runs scored in 2005). But Jarvis himself was a quadruple-A righty who somehow kept talking his way back to the majors for a 12-year career; his best single-season ERA+ was 97 with Colorado in 2000.
Jarvis plunked the first batter he faced, Ricky Ledee, a decent enough player if you don’t run him out there too much, but it was a Sign. He got the next two batters, a punchless duo in Jason Phillips (the team’s woefully inept starting catcher in the wake of the Paul LoDuca trade) and Oscar Robles (the man who wanted Cesar Izturis’ career, and failed), but both their outs were hard-hit liners right at gloves in the outfield.
That brought up Jason Grabowski to pinch-hit for starter Wilson Alvarez. Grabowski was another quadruple-A type that Jim Tracy fell in love with that year, partly due to necessity; a starting outfield of J.D. Drew, Milton Bradley, and Ricky Ledee is going to have a lot of injury problems. But Grabowski was perhaps uniquely unsuited to a pinch-hitting role among the Dodger players on the bench thanks to a long swing and poor strike zone judgement.
That is, he should have been an easy out. Instead, he picked up his sixth walk of the season, one of ten he would eventually acquire.
Still LaRussa stuck with his reliever.
Disaster predictably struck, as Cesar Izturis hit a two-run single, and the unloved Hee-Seop Choi welted a three-run homer to upend the Cardinals lead and give the Dodgers a 9-7 advantage they held on to for an eventual win.
Give LaRussa this: it was Jarvis’ last appearance with St. Louis.
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It is sunny...
It is just a killer to watch a team so close to being really successful be tied to a manager who can’t handle tangible or intangible decisions.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Sep 16, 2008 12:03 PM CDT reply actions
Considering K rates
Should they be called Sveum’s Swingers?
Dale’s Dingers?
We've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!
misc radio tidbits
Tom H. talked to Mark A. after the press conference and he made a remark along the lines of “some players were shown loyalty too long and those players didn’t reciprocate.”
All Doug M. did was praise Yost almost hyperbolically.
Someone said that it had been reported that Cox was livid. Stick him on your staff then Bobby.
Homer thought it was panicy and desperate. Homer is never wrong and it is “the world’s greatest talk show” so the question is closed.
Dan Needles and Drew Olsen, the Bobo and Lil’ Debbull of radio think its stupid, especially the idea of firing a winning manager like Yost based on 14 games. Someone emailed the obvious about 6 years of being a chucklehead and Drew gave a flaccid response but I can’t remember it. Then he went on and on about 14 games again.
I could only take a few minutes of Cliffy, but he thinks that a good manager won’t want to come here now. I guess cruising for 6 years ain’t enough to make it worthwhile, not to mention a couple with a talent packed lineup. Rocket scientist Cliffy also thinks its bad because now things will go from laid back to yelling and that never works. Don’t ask me what the Sam Hill drugs he takes. I think its some sort of head trauma.
Oh, and Adam McC talked to Dale after the presser and he said that the appearance of Robin in Philly was truly a coincidence and he didn’t think that Dale would lie to him. If that’s true, what a wonderful change.
Bobby Cox sez
(per the USA Today)
“I never imagined that could happen in this game. That’s awful” said Atlanta Braves manager Bobby Cox, one of Yost’s closest friends. The two spent 12 years together in Atlanta. “That’s unheard of. They’re still tied for first. That’s a sad commentary.”
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Still tied for first?
Fighting for the last wild card spot, 8 games behind the division leader, somehow qualifies as first? My opinion of Cox has dipped a little further.
by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 16, 2008 1:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Not a fan of yelling coaches myself
But, according to an episode of Sports Science (whose results are questionable), cranky coaches get better results.
We've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!
You should be ashamed of yourself. :)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"




























