Not All Revelations Are Good

by Jeff Sackmann on Sep 17, 2008 11:43 AM CDT in News Comment 23 comments

In thinking back over last night's game, I'm still a bit confused about something.

CC Sabathia got a loss? Really?

Surely, I thought, this must be a first. But no, it was Sabathia's 72nd career loss, and 9th overall on the season. Did you guys know about this? Do you think Melvin knew about this when he traded for CC?

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Cut him

A .900 winning percentage just ain’t gonna cut it ’round here.

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by TheJay on Sep 17, 2008 11:49 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

either that

or, at least, the Indians shouldn’t get a PTBNL.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Sep 17, 2008 11:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Can we appeal?

by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Sep 17, 2008 11:52 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

ha! too soon?

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by Jamie in LA on Sep 17, 2008 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

and once again, I’m mystified as how the win/loss/save rules work.

Sabathia gave up 4 earned runs before he left after 7 innings.

The final score was Chicago 5, Milwaukee 4.

Therefore, Sabathia did not give up the winning run. I know this, because I was watching the game and saw the wrong Blanco get a hit off of a white guy to give the Cubs their 5th run. Why is CC being tagged with this loss? Doesn’t make sense to me….even as i know “why” it’s happening.

Reminds me of a game a few years ago, it involved the Dodegrs for sure, may or may not have been Brad penny, in which the LA pitcher gave up 6 runs in teh first inning and then was either yanked or tossed, and the inning ended with no further damage. The game ended up something ridiculous like 15-12, yet the pitcher who left in the first inning still got the loss…something about how his team never caught up from the mess he made….

by ahtrap on Sep 17, 2008 12:28 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

the problem with your reasoning

is that relievers would generally get tagged with losses, since they give up the last runs. For example, CC gave up 4 earned runs in seven innings. If he continued to pitch all 9 innings at that rate, he would have given up another 1.14 runs in expectation. So imagine that a single reliever had come in an given up one run over the 8th and 9th inning. By your method, he would get tagged with the loss even though he gave up runs at a lower rate than CC.

Obviously, this is not what happened in the game last night, where Villanueva gave up the run in only 2/3 and inning for a game ERA of 13.5.

by keephopealive on Sep 17, 2008 12:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

It depends on whether the team that is losing

ever took the lead during that same game.

If Sabathia had given up 4 runs through 6 but the Brewers were still losing, then the Brewers took the lead at some point but then ended up losing the game anyway, then he gets a no decision and the Brerers pitcher that gave up the runs that caused the Brewers to lose would get the loss.

The mere fact that he did not give up the ACTUAL losing run makes no difference. The Brewers naver took the lead, so CC wears the crown of thorns

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/

by lostinthevines on Sep 17, 2008 3:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yost isn't doing anything, why don't you have him appeal it?

Better yet, why don’t you have Melvin hire Tony La Russa? He’s a lawyer. Every time you don’t like a ruling by an umpire, an official scorer or the official rules, you can have him sue MLB. Maybe you can get the Astros involved and have a class action suit.

by Rick B on Sep 17, 2008 12:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

wow.

somebody didn’t get the joke.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Sep 17, 2008 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am very interested in this idea of a lawsuit.

by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Sep 17, 2008 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am intrigued by your ideas

and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 17, 2008 1:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I won't go that far

do you happen to have a blog?

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Sep 17, 2008 4:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I am sure there is some way that Gagne was responsible

by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Sep 17, 2008 12:52 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I thought

this quote from Prince after the game was clever—

After losing his battle with Wood to end it, Fielder was asked if he felt snake-bit.

"I don’t know," he said. "I’ve never been bit by a snake."

by ACB on Sep 17, 2008 1:21 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Snakes qualify as meat, so he tries not to get too close to them

Yeah, right

"I'll take one in the mouth over the eyes any day". - AJ Pierzynski
http://lostinthevines.blogspot.com/

by lostinthevines on Sep 17, 2008 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs

LOL

I didn’t realize he was fast until just now!!!

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Sep 17, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

fast AND fat! LOL

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Sep 17, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

hey look!

it’s a Cubs fan making a joke about Prince’s eating habits!

everybody bookmark this thread, quick!

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Sep 17, 2008 3:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Same lineup today

CF Mike Cameron
2B Ray Durham
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
SS JJ Hardy
RF Corey Hart
3B Craig Counsell
C Jason Kendall
P Ben Sheets

by Marty McSuperFly on Sep 17, 2008 4:14 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Is the Brewers organization going to try to pay sabathia

Or is it guaranteed that he is leaving thiis year

ps. I come in peace

"This balls got a chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaannce, GONE!" - Pat Hughes

by SouthsideCUBSfan on Sep 17, 2008 4:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure they'll try to make an offer.

But nothing record-breaking. If it gets even somewhat close to Santana pay, as is the general consensus, the Brewers would never be able to afford that. So, yeah, he’s as good as gone.

Though—and someone correct me if I’m wrong—I think he said he would really want to come back if the Brewers won the world series. So….yeah.

Bye Ned!

by NoahJ on Sep 17, 2008 6:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

They can certainly "afford" him

but making a commitment for 7 or so years to 1 pitcher might be a risk they don’t want to make. I think they’ll let him walk, take the two picks, and keep the wheel-a-turnin’.

Sat: George 2 (37, missed catch, fielding) Fri: George (35, throw) Tues: George (34, throw)

by Jordan M on Sep 17, 2008 6:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'd think

they would at least try to throw something on the table. It’s my feeling that what the Brewers do with Prince will play a big role with CC. I don’t think it’s to far of a reach to keep CC in Milwaukee.

"I don't know about you guys, but I think it could use some more cowbell..."

by BRWRSFAN39 on Sep 17, 2008 11:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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