Thursday's Frosty Mug
by Kyle Lobner on Sep 18, 2008 8:57 AM CDT
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PrintFangraphs is still showing Monday's Win Probability Graph. That made me wonder for a second if I'd only imagined yesterday's win.
BR Box Score
So, obviously the biggest news from yesterday is this: Ben Sheets left the game after 2 innings with what was at the time called "forearm tightness," but has now been renamed an elbow injury. Sheets says he's had lingering pain, but there's no structural damage. All of this has been cleverly hidden from the
Tyler Maas of Bugs & Cranks is trying to put Sheets' Brewer career into perspective.
Jim Powell's blog from after last night's game discussed the Yost firing, last night's win and his usual collection of links to other stuff he's done.
Speaking of the Yost firing, news on it continues to trickle in. Jon Heyman is confirming what many have suspected: the order to fire Yost came from Mark Attanasio himself. Also, Sabernomics HAS NO CONCEPT.
The Brew Town Beat wonders if the Yost firing might have been a turning point for Prince Fielder.
Major League Baseball released the schedules for 2009 yesterday. You can read Tom H.'s highlights here or see the whole thing here.
Sky Kalkman has a post over at Beyond the Box Score taking a look at candidates for NL MVP. No Brewer ranked above #15 (Ryan Braun), but Gabe Kapler managed to make it all the way up to #65 with just 245 plate appearances.
The new Bugs & Cranks new power rankings have the Brewers at 11.
I haven't seen it noted anywhere else, but Al is reporting that the West Virginia Power have signed a player development deal with the Pirates for next season, making it all the more likely that the Brewers will have their low-A team in Appleton next season.
On injuries:
Orioles SP Daniel Cabrera was scratched from his scheduled start Friday after experiencing tingling in his elbow during a bullpen session.
Nomar Garciaparra left last night's game in the fourth inning after reinjuring his knee running the bases.
Torii Hunter was hit in the face during BP last night, and while the injuries aren't believed to be serious, he sat out last night's game.
Hanley Ramirez left last night's game with a sore shoulder after hitting two home runs.
Jarrod Washburn's disappointing season with the Mariners is ending early due to a strained abdominal muscle.
Also, the Nats have shut down Ronnie Belliard, Jesus Flores, Austin Kearns and Dmitri Young for the rest of 2008.
One record was broken quietly last night: Ichiro Suzuki reached 200 hits for the 8th consecutive season last night. No AL player has ever done that (Ty Cobb never did it more than 3 straight), and the last player to do it in either league was Willie Keeler, 107 years ago.
In other monumental feats, twice in three days a Red Sox hitter has hit a home run ball at Tropicana Field that will never come down.
The wheels continue to spin as MLB teams work to figure out where their AAA affiliates will play next season. Walkoff Walk has a map for you, if you haven't been keeping up.
Did you realize it's been 74 years since a left-handed thrower played shortstop in the major leagues? I had no idea. Tangotiger looks at the reasons and asks if a superior fielder could still handle the position throwing left-handed.
Oh, and I got Rickrolled by John Hodgman yesterday.
Drink up.
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Super not surprised by this
Pirates making a good decision here. Close to home, Charleston gets FSN Pittsburgh, nice new stadium, everything you could hope for. I wouldn’t be surprised to see this match stick for a long time.
by dixieflatline on Sep 18, 2008 10:22 AM CDT up reply actions
any
info on why the brews want to start Bush and everyone on short rest?
Dale Sveum's making his mark?
I don’t know. I think it’s weird that Brewers fans have heard a lot that Dave Bush is addicted to routine and can’t handle if anything throws him off and yet he’s the first guy to start on short rest…um, okay then.
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i was going to say
any starter on short rest is a roll of the dice but i dont know if Dave Bush on short rest is a good idea
Can’t McClung start?
I suspect
That because so much of the bullpen had to be used last night, that just made Bush more likely. There’s a chance he’ll pitch fairly well for six or more innings whereas McClung might give you five-plus.
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Bush on short rest vs Harden
is going to be a tough mountain for you guys to climb
hopefully rich gets the memo from the other 2 games and DOESNT PITCH TO PRINCE
Bush only threw 81 pitches his last time out. I guess Suppan could also pitch since they both pitched on sunday.
I think that when the decision was made a couple of days ago, it was because the best three pitchers going into the playoffs were CC, Sheets, and Bush in that order.
Optimistic perhaps, but if you are going to fiddle with the lineup with the playoffs in mind, it was the right decision.
well
if Bush went that short last time out that makes more sense
if you guys make the postseason I would have to imagine Suppan starting game 3- he’s a vet. he has the “postseason magic clutchy pitcher” thing going for him
If it were me
I would go with Bush over Suppan for a 3rd game. I think Svuem agrees.
It may be CC, Bush, Suppan, which isn’t going to make anybody nervous.
And that’s assuming we even make the playoffs.
I say we rush Gallardo back and just make Sheets pitch through it. /halfjoking
LH shortstops
If Tangotiger is counting Gehrig as having played short for coming up in the top of the first, batting, and being taken out for a pinch runner (imagine if a guy did that to extend a games played streak today), then Tom Chism is actually the last lefty “shortstop.”
Box score for Chism’s debut at short in 1979
After flying out to center in the top of the first, Chism was replaced in the bottom of the inning by Kiko Garcia who ended up going 2-4 with a double and a RBI on the day. Chism only played in five more major league games, including one where he was listed as the starting catcher and pulled from the game after batting once. Since he didn’t actually take the field at either position, he’s not listed as ever having played short or catcher…but Gehrig is for doing the same thing.
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It’s a shame he didn’t play catcher for at least an inning.
We've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!
Yeah
But he wouldn’t be the last lefty catcher anyway. Benny Distefano spent six innings behind the plate for the 1989 Pirates.
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Worst Case Scenerio
Sheets is done for the year and needs TJS. If that is the case I would hope the Brewers get him to sign a cheap performance laden contract for a several years. That way he gets his surgery paid for and we control him post surgery for fairly cheap. I’m curious what the possibilities are of him going the route of Woods, it seems to have worked well for Woods. Sheets is different however, in that he often doesn’t have his best stuff until the 2nd or 3rd inning, so it will be interesting to see what happens. I think he could be a very effective closer if he spent a year in the Minors rehabing and rebuilding his arm strength for closing as opposed to starting.
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sheets
even as a diehard cub fan Sheets has been more durable than Kerry Wood. Wood simply cant handle starting wheras even 150 IP of Sheets every year is something worth $ and worth more than closing
Even if Sheets needs TJ I doubt he would be forced to sign a multi year deal at a discount with the Brews. (He might do that but he would have other options)
I would rather not make him a closer but I completely agree with this
Conventional wisdom is a team like the Brewers in the market they are in can’t afford to throw money at a player who is injury prone because if he gets hurt it costs them a much higher percent of their payroll. I think this is absolutely backwards. As a smaller market team to compete with the big boys regularly you are going to need some breaks. Getting an excellent player to sign below market value and then perform is a great way of stretching the budget. If he gets hurt you are screwed but the goal is to win the World Series and to do that you need to put together an excellent team. You have to gamble, you can’t play it safe because safe is much less likely to win it all. High risk, high reward, that is the way to go.
by dixieflatline on Sep 18, 2008 10:29 AM CDT up reply actions
i wasnt
arguing with the thought so much as the reality of this situation. Sheets isnt going to lose alot of value even if he needs TJ. With the SP market the way it is he could still land a rich multi year deal
This may make people very cautious. All his other injuries were not “pitcher injuries”. And he sure has had a lot of them, but now if you add in the mix pitcher problems, people may be very cautious.
When he’s on, he’s awesome. But if his FB loses some velocity, he may not be nearly as effective. If his FB drops into the high 80s or very low 90s he may start to get rocked unless he develops a better change. Who knows, Power Pitching Sheets may be done.
Are we sure we have 100% less Yost? Isn’t the son of Yost coaching in the minors, Helena I think? Is he still under contract? I’ll go with a weighted average of suck that puts us at 80% less Yost, but I think it may be false advertising to claim a 100% Yost free product.
by Getting Yosted on Sep 18, 2008 11:15 AM CDT reply actions
Know what's weird?
Supposedly Sheets started feeling weird in the elbow on August 26, right? In that game he went six scoreless. He followed that up with five scoreless before leaving against the Mets. He then had that 1-0 shutout against the Padres. Depending on when he started feeling it in St. Louis, he had up to twenty scoreless innings pitched with a “not-structurally-damaged-but-filled-with-lingering-pain” elbow. Crazy.
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maybe it's like when ryan has the flu
hey kirbir, next time you see braun, give him a lingering illness so he can play balls out for the rest of the season
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by PagsBrewCrew on Sep 18, 2008 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions
He's being better at taking some balls
"Brett Favre looks like a man in a parking lot playing with boys." - John Madden
"Pujols just unloaded." - Bob Uecker
corey, corey, corey
two outs in the same inning?
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gameday
tough for bush to pitch if he’s been pinch hit for
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errr...sorry. gamethread this isn't
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