MLB upholds official scorer's call in Brewers-Pirates game | MLB.com: Official Info
It's official. CC will have to settle for nothing more than his league-leading third shutout. We'll have to wait another week or two for the no-hitter.
about 1 year ago
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He did win the NL Pitcher of the Month again though
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
by battlekow on Sep 3, 2008 6:18 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Who I petition to get Salome starting at catcher the rest of the year?
by HRF on Sep 3, 2008 8:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh well
It would’ve looked bad for MLB to overrule an official scorer like that anyway. Next time CC will just have to make all his plays.
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by TheJay on Sep 3, 2008 8:45 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
eh it ws a hit anyway
No-No for CC
Sept 16 at Wrigley
calling it now.
by hardyboys on Sep 3, 2008 10:09 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The StatSpeak roundtable discusses the “no-no”:
Question #3: Why hasn’t anyone on the Brewers realized that if the LaRoche hit is called an error, it does not guarantee that every single thing that happened from that point on would have remained the same?Will Carroll: I don’t really have an answer to that. I don’t think anyone on the Brewers really cares. Ned is a bit perturbed, but I think he’s just doing that to stand up for his players. I don’t think most people in baseball are ready for Everett’s work on quantum mechanics.
Brian Cartwright: First, that’s the way the scoring rules instruct us to think, reconstruct the inning as if the play had not occurred. And, of course, they want glory for their teammate. But, they should know that it’s not nice to whine, and
that anything can happen at anytime. I was only up to Friday listening to the Pirates games on Gameday. Now I guess I don’t have to listen to Sunday’s game, since yinz let me know who won.Colin Wyers: I don’t think that’s true – an error is not a fundamental fact of baseball. And whether or not that play is scored an error has no effect on the play on the field. It’s amazing how much attention is payed to picayune scoring details that have no effect on the outcome of a game; there’s no way you could go back months later and change a home run to a foul ball, because it matters. The difference between a hit and a reach on error, on a fundamental level, doesn’t mean a thing to the results of the game at hand.
Eric Seidman: I honestly don’t know. I’m not saying that things, point blank, would have been different, but that doubt exists. Maybe Sabathia gets nervous, maybe the Pirates gather some pride in an attempt to avoid being no-hit. On top of that, this no-hitter would exist in the record books but nobody would remember it because there would be no highlight footage to put on Sportscenter or anything like that. Note to Brewers: shut up and enjoy the win, focus on making the playoffs, and beating the Mets (to help my Phillies).
Pizza Cutter: I think that the Brewers actually have a much better case for negative history (what would have happened if B would have happened instead of A) than the usual situation that brings this sort of thinking up. For example, what if Bill Buckner had made that play? Well, we have no way of really knowing. (Game 6 would have gone to the 11th inning.) Whether we call the LaRoche plate appearance an error or a hit, Sabbathia still had LaRoche to deal with at first. All we’re arguing over is what to call the play, not changing of the actual physics of what happened to the ball. I suppose there could be something said for C.C. not having to think about the pressure of keeping a no-hitter alive, but from a game situation point of view, whether it was a hit or an error, there’s no difference. That said, I would have called it an error and in my heart, C.C. pitched a no-hitter.</blockquote
BCB's "very own marginally deserving all-star!"
by battlekow on Sep 3, 2008 11:32 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
"Brewers: shut up and enjoy the win"
I don’t get why some people are surprised or dismissive about the Brewers challenging the play, that’s one Yost and management have to protest if not just as a gesture of support for Sabathia and the Brewers players.
It’s like a manager arguing a call and getting thrown out of a game. Yeah, it rarely concerns a play that actually concerns winning or your place in the standings, but it’s just something that is part of the sport.
Oh well, in a world where “baseball expert” Joe Sheehan can get an article published in Sports Illustrated explaining how Harden has been more valuable than Sabathia, I guess I just don’t know nothin’.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Sep 4, 2008 12:23 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Also
No one remembers any no-hitter prior to the 1970’s since there was no highlight footage to put on SportsCenter. Sandy who?
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by TheJay on Sep 4, 2008 12:50 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes, that's a great idea
assemble a bunch of guys to talk about stats, and instead focus on an official scorer ruling.
This just isn’t that interesting.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Sep 4, 2008 8:21 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
gawd I hate questions like that first one
Yeah, smartypants, nobody on the Brewers has realized that, because they don’t have any super genuises like you on the payroll. Thanks for deigning to provide us with your intellectual firepower, and in a stats roundtable, to boot.
by Zeyes on Sep 5, 2008 6:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
"like that one", even
Didn’t catch on at first that the excerpt only featured that one question. They spent that much time responding to that? Gah.
by Zeyes on Sep 5, 2008 6:27 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
























