On Jeff Suppan and his value for 2009
There's been some conversation in the comment section from Monday's Mug about the value of Jeff Suppan and how/if he should be utilized. At present, he's pretty much penciled in for a rotation spot in 2009, and likely will be even if the Brewers sign another starter, with Seth McClung getting bumped to the bullpen instead.
So the question becomes: What should the Brewers do with Jeff Suppan?
Step 1: The Trends
Suppan will be 34 by Opening Day, so it's likely he's in the decline of his career anyway, but these numbers would suggest he started his decline early:
ERA:
2005: 3.57
2006: 4.12
2007: 4.62
2008: 4.96
FIP:
2005: 4.53
2006: 4.70
2007: 4.42
2008: 5.51
WHIP:
2005: 1.38
2006: 1.45
2007: 1.50
2008: 1.54
Opponent Average:
2005: .273
2006: .279
2007: .294
2008: .292
WPA:
2005: 1.47
2006: 0.72
2007: -0.70
2008: -1.34
Sorry to bury you in stats there, click here for a definition of FIP and here for a definition of WPA.
Or, if you feel like you're missing the point, here's the summarized version: Suppan has been getting hit harder and giving up more baserunners each of the last four seasons. His FIP would suggest his excellent 2005 season was aided by luck, but would also suggest he could feasibly have been much worse in 2008.
Step 2: The Projections:
Despite what may seem like obvious trends in the other direction, both Marcel and Bill James have Suppan bouncing back in 2009:
Marcel: 169 IP, 4.82 ERA (4.81 FIP), 1.51 WHIP, .287 Opp. AVG
Bill James: 184 IP, 4.70 ERA (4.79 FIP), 1.45 WHIP, .283 Opp. AVG
Sean Smith's CHONE projections and Dan Szymborski's ZiPS paint a less optimistic picture:
CHONE: 161 IP, 5.31 ERA, 1.58 WHIP, .288 Opp. AVG*
ZiPS: 168 IP, 5.04 ERA, 1.52 WHIP, .280 Opp. AVG*
* - CHONE and ZiPS both did not include WHIP or Opp. AVG in their projections, but I calculated it from the data given.
The projections leave a pretty broad spectrum in which Suppan could perform in 2009, but even the worst of them (CHONE) projects at one run better than replacement level for 2009.
Step 3: The Alternative
Seth McClung started 12 games in 2008, and posted a 4.24 ERA and 1.36 WHIP in 63.2 innings. All told, he's made 44 starts over the last four seasons for Tampa and Milwaukee, and in his career as a starter he's posted a 5.70 ERA in 259 innings.
As a reliever, McClung posted a 3.67 ERA in 42 innings in 2008, and has posted a 5.19 ERA in 87 relief appearances.
Here are McClung's 2009 projections:
Bill James: 85 IP, 4.69 ERA (4.85 FIP), 1.53 WHIP, .253 Opp. AVG
Marcel: 89 IP, 4.35 ERA (4.49 FIP), 1.45 WHIP, .253 Opp. AVG
CHONE: 68 IP, 3.97 ERA, 1.57 WHIP, .230 Opp. AVG*
ZiPS: 90 IP, 4.80 ERA, 1.63 WHIP, .242 Opp. AVG*
*-See above.
All four of those projections have McClung pitching primarily as a reliever, and I'm not sure how the projections would change if he were seen as a starter, but I would guess that:
A) His ERA would likely go up as his innings increased, simply because his 2008 and career ERAs as a starter both are significantly higher, and
B) It's unlikely anyone would project him to pitch more than 150-160 innings, as he's never spent a full season as a starter.
For the sake of this conversation, I calculated McClung's ERA jump as a starter to be .54, which is halfway between his 2008 jump (.57) and his career jump (.51). It's possible he wouldn't experience such a severe difference in a full season as a starter, but his partial seasons as a starter are the only actual evidence we have to work with here.
With that change in place, here are Jeff Suppan and Seth McClung's average projections for 2009:
Suppan: 170.5 innings, 4.97 ERA
McClung: 150-160 innings, 4.99 ERA
Step 4: The Options
Obviously, if the season started today and the current roster stayed in place this debate would be moot, as Suppan and McClung would both be needed in the starting rotation. All scenarios considered from this point forward assume the Brewers will acquire another starter before Opening Day.
Option A: Send Jeff Suppan to the bullpen to start the season and give McClung the final spot in the rotation.
In the rotation: Assuming he adjusts well to being a full-time starter, McClung could be a noted improvement here. If he can pitch somewhere halfway between his projected numbers as a reliever and the somewhat gloomy projection I posted above, he could post an ERA of about 4.73 in 150-160 innings, an improvement of somewhere between 4 and 5 runs over the course of the season, or an extra half win or so.
In the bullpen: It's hard to imagine Suppan playing a pivotal role in the bullpen, both as someone who was just ejected from the rotation for ineffectiveness and someone who's only pitched in relief 16 times in 14 major league seasons. At most, he likely would pitch on occasions where a starter left early, or in the final few innings of 10-2 losses, or as the last man out of the bullpen in extra inning games. His contribution to the team would be negligible at best, as nearly all of his outings would be in exceptionally low leverage situations.
Option B: Suppan stays in the rotation, McClung stays in the bullpen.
In the rotation: Suppan will need to be kept on a short leash, and his short outings will cost the Brewers occasional runs and force them to overextend the bullpen from time to time. All told, he costs the team the above mentioned 4 to 5 runs that could have been gained by starting McClung.
In the bullpen: McClung is part of the conversation to determine a closer. Even if he doesn't win that role, he'll likely be used in high leverage situations (tied or leading late). If he can live up to his projections here (somewhere between 4 and 4.40, depending on who you ask), he could be worth a win or more over the course of a 70-80 inning season.
Part 5: Conclusion
I don't think any of us are really excited about what Jeff Suppan brings to the table for 2009, especially considering we're paying for fancy imported cheese and getting off-brand American. With that said, Suppan's projections for 2009 would suggest he's close to being able to reliably fill the role as fifth starter if used appropriately and watched closely, and allowing him to do so would leave Seth McClung in a position to contribute in a role which he may be better suited for. And if Suppan can't live up to his projections, the Brewers will know where to find McClung around May 1.
Resources used:
McClung's FanGraphs page
McClung's BR Page
Suppan's FanGraphs Page
Suppan's BR Page
Brewers 2009 CHONE Projections
Brewers 2009 ZiPS
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Suppan in the 'pen
For a recent Brewers example of the role you’re talking about, see Elmer Dessens in 2007.
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by TheJay on Jan 1, 2009 2:15 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
tRA trends (from StatCorner)
Runs Suppan “deserved” to give up per 9 innings:
2005: 5.35
2006: 6.04
2007: 5.32
2008: 6.46
On the ERA scale (tERA):
2005: 4.97
2006: 5.61
2007: 4.94
2008: 6.00
tRA takes defense and park out of the equation, but not necessarily luck.
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by Jordan M on Jan 1, 2009 2:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I guess I'm lost
I was with you through Step 2, but then I got lost.
In 2003, 2005, and 2006, Son of Clung had ERAs of 5.35, 6.59, and 6.29, all with Tampa. Since being traded to Milwaukee, the past two seasons, he had ERAs of 3.75 and 4.02, including (as you point out) a 4.24 ERA as a starter. However, I think (and maybe I’m misreading this) you’re calling for McClung to have an ERA of 5 next season were he a semi-full-time starter. I guess I have no explanation as to why he suddenly started pitching well since leaving Florida, but I can’t imagine expecting that sort of regression without being the head of the Jeff Suppan Fan Club. Are you discounting this improvement as merely luck? Are you expecting some regression to what he’s done in Tampa Bay? If Son of Clung regresses but only a little bit, say to an ERA of 4.40, would your opinion change?
If Son of Clung’s projected ERA as a starter in 2009 is 5, then this point is pretty moot.
I’m of the opinion now, reluctantly, that Suppan is likely going to be the worst pitcher on our team, and, unless he proves otherwise, his suckiness should be exposed as such as infrequently as possible. I can buy an argument that that means keeping him as the 5th starter (sometimes skipping him!) - after all, he can’t be that much worse than an average 5th starter. Still, if we are talking about a near-5 ERA, limiting his innings from 280 to 80 can only be bad if those remaining 200 innings are filled by someone worse.
(I guess I’m also not sold on the either/or of Suppan and Son of Clung, though we can save that for another time.)
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by roguejim on Jan 1, 2009 5:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
On projections.
There’s two factors at play here, going in opposite directions:
A) McClung has obviously performed better over the past two seasons than he did in previous years, while Suppan’s performance has undergone a relatively obvious decline.
B) At least two of the more notable projectors of future performance think Suppan will reverse the trend anyway, and at least two notable projectors think McClung’s improvements won’t last.
Which is right? That’s a tough nut to crack.
I do think it’s reasonable to protect McClung at about 4.75 for 150 innings as a starter, because he’s never filled that role for a full season before and because it’s somewhere in between his dramatic improvement in 2008 and almost all of his career prior to that. Even the projections of McClung as a reliever tend to point to an ERA around 4.40.
With that said, if he can start and post a 4.40 ERA in a full season, then his projected improvement over Suppan would more than double and the debate swings a little farther in his direction.
The biggest question I wanted to raise is this: How many runs/wins are we losing by moving McClung out of the pen and putting Suppan in his place, and are we sure we’re getting those runs/wins back by replacing Suppan in the rotation? If McClung is a 4.75 ERA starter, then I don’t think he adds enough to the rotation to make up for the loss of a strong high-leverage reliever.
I don't specifically articulate my motives, because that wouldn't travel as well as a boo does.
by KLSnow on Jan 1, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
reasonable to project, not protect.
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by KLSnow on Jan 1, 2009 6:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm
OK, I can get on board with that. I’ll say if Son of Clung!‘s ERA is as high as 4.75, then there’s no point in making the switch. Still, I’d be disappointed if it’s higher than 4.4. Not many people face the Klingon and live to tell about it. Kapla!
I like following projections, but the outcome has to make sense to me too. I have a hard time imagining what is going to change in Suppan’s life to make a significant change in his performance, other than a whole lot of luck. Or steroids. (But probably not stem cells.) As far as Son of Clung!, I guess I can see his ERA going up or down a little, but not any dramatic increases or decreases either way.
Also, are we sure that Suppan in the pen is worthless? He couldn’t be an average reliever?
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by roguejim on Jan 1, 2009 7:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
About the projections
As you guys know, Marcels are just weighted 3 year production averages, adjusted for age. It’s not really “projecting” Suppan to get better, it’s just the average of his past three years with a slight age penalty. James projections are generally optomistic overall, so that can explain why the ERA is lower. Chone and Zips are more reliable and I would tend to side with them generally.
Clung would be a good bet for a 4.6-4.7ish ERA, I’d say, and Suppan a little higher. The difference in durability makes it kinda close. If you can get Clung 1.5 leverage in the pen, that’s where I’d go with him.
We’re also kinda ignoring the fact that we’ll need a 6th starter at some point anyway. Even if they sign Sheets or Looper, Clung would be the first option to get plugged in in case of an injury.
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by Jordan M on Jan 1, 2009 7:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Since I probably started it due to my hopeless boosterism of McClung in the rotation—I’m sorry, y’all.
In any case, I’m totally not sold on him in the rotation either. What about Villanueva vs. Suppan? Villy appeared to really put it reasonably together after getting moved to the ’pen. Is Villanueva more valuable to the bullpen than McClung?
(They’re both more valuable to the ‘pen than Suppan, I’d imagine.)
by morineko on Jan 1, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So what you're saying is
that we are currently fucked right?
I just sit back and root for the taser
by Hyatt on Jan 1, 2009 6:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
injuries and changes in mechanics
Aren’t those things that pitching projections struggle with? Seth’s improvement followed the simplification of his delivery no?
As for Suppan, come into camp in great condition and give it your best. If not… I don’t know.
by ol Pete on Jan 1, 2009 8:40 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, Rambling Al weighs in!
He points out that Suppan had an arm injury right around the ASB that he tried to pitch through, with his ERA taking the hit. I have to admit, I don’t remember the injury - I don’t remember what I had for dinner two nights ago - but I have no reason to doubt him.
I’m not sure if the numbers work out as he described in his post, though. As I understand it, Suppan tried to pitch through the injury, and got hit hard for three starts. He went on the DL, and was fine upon his return. Throw out those three starts (how Yostian), and he had an ERA of 4.56.
First, if we can get an ERA of 4.56 with 200 IP from Suppan in 2009, I’d be thrilled.
More to the point, in looking at the game log, the three starts he’s talking about would likely be the three right before the ASG, and true enough, Suppan’s ERA ballooned from 3.92 to 4.71. My problem is with the “back to normal” after the ASB. Suppan’s ERA after the All-Star Break was 5.31 - his WHIP was down to 1.47, but his BAA crept a little closer to .300. He had a very nice August (3.00/1.07) sandwiched between a truly horrible July (9.43/1.90) and September (8.44/2.11).
I guess it’s worth mentioning that I really don’t expect Suppan to be moved to the pen, not when we’re already hurting for starting pitching. I suppose I don’t share Al’s optimism of Suppan being a good bet to throw 200 innings of 4.50 ERA ball, considering that he hasn’t been able to do that since coming to Milwaukee, and he turns 34 tomorrow (happy birthday, Jeff!), and his WHIP since coming to Milwaukee hasn’t dipped below 1.50. The question is (for me), how bad will Suppan be? Like I said, if he comes in at 4.5, hey, that’s great. If he’s pitching to an ERA of 5 or higher* - and only a 5 IP, 1 run game against the Cubs kept him from closing last season with a 5+ ERA - then I start to wonder if other action is required, like moving him to the bullpen or out-and-out replacing him with a less sucky pitcher. Surely there’s a line somewhere…
*Personally, I blame the ERA speculators. Oof.
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by roguejim on Jan 1, 2009 11:56 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Suppan was put on the DL almost immediately after the Sabathia trade. I seem to recall some speculation here on if that was an actual injury or just some tomfoolery made up just so the team wouldn’t have to kick McClung or Bush into the bullpen.
by morineko on Jan 2, 2009 12:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The official story
“Joint irritation of the right elbow”
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by TheJay on Jan 2, 2009 6:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I think that's what knocked Jeffress out of action too.
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by roguejim on Jan 2, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs


























