Projecting 09 with CHONE
In the spirit of projection season, I punched in the Brewers CHONE projections into Sky Kalkman's user-friendly WAR spreadsheet to see the results. We already have a nice Brewer spreadsheet with the 2009 Marcel projections (here, by jhmoore), but another one can't hurt-- and I wanted to expirement a little.
My spreadsheet uses the CHONE projections for wOBA and ERA for each player. Baserunning is factored into Fangraphs wOBA, so I left that column blank. For defense, I used a player's career UZR/150, plus a little common sense-- factoring in age, potential for improvement, etc. So, for example, Cameron's fielding wins is .6, it's .7 career and was about 1.0 last year. In general, I tended to lean toward average. For the catchers, there aren't any metrics I trust, so I just gave Kendall +.5 and Rivera -.5.
Innings pitched and PAs are mostly my judgements. I kicked Gallardo and Parra up to 175 and 170 innings, put DBush at 190, and Suppan at 175, which he threw last year. I'm not going to give 160 innings to Chris Capuano here, so I allocated 50 for him. CHONE projected him for a 4.20 ERA and his Marcel is 4.50, but neither know he's recovering from a second ligament surgery. I bumped it up to 4.80, which seems pretty accurate to me if he's healthy enough to pitch in the bigs.
For the 3B platoon, I used 250 PAs of Hall with a .350 wOBA, which is about his career vLHP, and credited Lamb with a pretty baaaa-d .330 wOBA vRHP in 400 PAs. Hall is listed again as a shortstop, with a .290 wOBA. This assumes that no shortstop is added and Hall plays at 3rd vLHP with an occasional game vRHP at short. If a replacement level SS is added, or McGehee is on the roster, the prodcution should be about the same, as that line from Hall is exactly replacement level.
The bullpen is difficult to project. The names at the end are pretty much interchangeable without having much effect on the overall win projection, so don't worry too much about the individual guys. I did kick up Julio's projection-- CHONE has him at a 3.99 ERA, I put him at 4.4. I also pushed up Dave Bush to 4.4, I personally don't think his 4.18 last year is sustainable, and CHONE apparently does.
Finally, at the top, there are 3 extra tabs. The first shows the effect of adding Sheets if he's able to throw 160 innings at his CHONE-projected 3.8 ERA. This slides McClung into the bullpen, which helps there as well. The second shows what would happen if Sheets were to have a season similar to 2008, with another 200 innings but a slightly higher 3.5 ERA. Finally, the last tab shows the impact of a Braden Looper type pitcher with 180 innings and a 4.6 ERA.
You'll notice the win total projections seem high, but you have to realize that projecting Parra and Gallardo for 170+ innings is quite optimistic, and CHONE expects all the major hitters to rebound quite nicely. It also assumes no injuries whatsoever, so any pitcher or hitter going down would lower the projection substantially. To illustrate this, if you made a spreadsheet for every team, the league average would be above .500, which obviously isn't the case. However, CHONE seems to like us and the chances of putting a respectable team on the field this year. So don't go saying that I think the Brewers will win 89 games; I'd predict closer to 86 right now, but there's plenty of room for optimism in 2009.
Thanks to Sky Kalkman for the template, once again.
If you see anything wrong in the spreadsheet, or think one of the wOBA, ERA, PA, IP, or LI projections are off, let me know and I'll revise this thing.
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Thanks!
Haven’t gone through all the details or anything, but thanks for putting it all together.
Maybe with a real manager this year, we’ll get some of that platoon-y goodness.
I also like looking at these when there’s the assumption that we’ll do something regarding starting pitching. Whatever DM says on any given day, I have to believe there’s at least one decent-size move coming, whether it’s Sheets or Looper or somebody else.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jan 11, 2009 9:42 PM CST
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While i don't really know what i'm talking about...
… aren’t the WAR values for the SP a little high? Particularly for Bush, McCLung and Suppan? I thought Suppan essentially was replacement level in 2008 and while .3 WAR isn’t that dramatic of an improvement, I have a hard time seeing where it’s going to come from.
I’d be freaking ecstatic with just a 1 win drop after losing Sabathia, Torres and Sheets.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on
Jan 11, 2009 9:58 PM CST
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We're just going off of projected ERA
Replacement starter ERA is around 5.55, and Suppan’s a tick better than that, reflected in the .3 WAR. We’re not trying to judge his actual skill, just how many runs the team will give up. We’re actually a bit above average on defense now, so the ERAs will likely be just a little bit better than normal.
For DBush, a 4.40 ERA in 190 innings makes him about league average. League average= 2 WAR because Replacement level=Average – 2 wins or 20 runs.
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by Jordan M on
Jan 11, 2009 10:16 PM CST
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Oh.
Told you I didn’t know what I was talking about.
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on
Jan 12, 2009 11:51 AM CST
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I think Riske will have a much better year.
He’s been a quality reliever in the past, I cant imagine he’s dropped off. Anyone know what his WAR was each of the last, say, 5 years?
by tcyoung on
Jan 12, 2009 9:42 AM CST
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I do too
I didn’t want to tinker with that projection, though. Fangraphs is going to have pitcher WAR and value very soon. You could go off of tRA WAR but its creators acknowledge it’s not a perfect measure, and you have to account for leverage. tRA doesn’t like Riske too much, either— not enough strikeouts, I’d guess.
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by Jordan M on
Jan 12, 2009 9:58 AM CST
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Well how convenient
Fangraphs did add it very soon— today. Riske:
03 1.4
04 .7
05 0
06 .1
07 .3
08 -.7
Geez, we gain a win if he’s just a bit above replacement. The guy was just bad last year.
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by Jordan M on
Jan 12, 2009 6:47 PM CST
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tRA had him above 7 last year.
Just ridiculous. Definitely rivals the Gagne signing, and I’m pretty sure it’s worse
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by jhmoore on
Jan 12, 2009 6:56 PM CST
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Bad and hurt
Hopefully his elbow is less balky next year.
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by TheJay on
Jan 13, 2009 4:22 PM CST
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seems like you've got a pretty good handle on how DM does things
All your guesses as to what might happen make sense to me. I wonder if Macha throws a twist into things by preferring different players. Longer shot there could be a trade. Fielder and Hardy are the talked about ones, but I maybe a team looking for a SS would go for Hall.
by ol Pete on
Jan 12, 2009 10:41 AM CST
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13 IP Short
and that’s assuming no extra inning games.
Hopefully Parra doesn’t have any YAE issues this season, and Gallardo is able to go strong after topping out at 188 IP in 07 and less than 40 last year.
I am personally nervous about those two, particularly with Gallardo slotting in at “#1” this year.
by Charlie Marlow on
Jan 14, 2009 7:56 PM CST
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I just used Sky's estimate of 1445
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by Jordan M on
Jan 14, 2009 8:18 PM CST
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turns out...
NL average is 1446.
Brewers were 1455.7 last year.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jan 15, 2009 11:19 AM CST
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Don't forget road losses
Most of those only require eight innings pitched.
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by TheJay on
Jan 14, 2009 8:20 PM CST
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Maybe the Brewers will forget road losses...
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on
Jan 15, 2009 11:04 AM CST
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