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Sunday Night Trivia

Well, if nobody's going to post anything, it's time for some more trivia.

Felix Pie will get us started.  He's turning 24 in a couple of weeks, still pretty young for a guy who has been kicking around the upper levels of the minors for so long.  In fact, when he spent much of the season with the big club in 2007, he was one of the youngest players in the league.

But...he wasn't even the youngest player to make an appearance on his team.  And he was another couple rungs down the "youngest" list in the division.  So again today, we have three questions, but not in order of difficulty this time.

  1. Who was the youngest player to make an appearance with the Cubs in Pie's debut year, 2007?
  2. Which '07 debut Milwaukee Brewer was even younger than the youngest Cubs player?
  3. Who was the youngest to make an appearance in the 2007 NL Central? (Hint: Not the same as 1 or 2.)

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Summing up

1. Sean Gallagher
2. Yovani Gallardo
3. Homer Bailey

BTW, the youngest player in baseball in 2007 was Justin Upton, almost 16 months younger than Bailey.

It’s always interesting to think through “young players” because I, at least, tend to think in terms of MLB experience, not age. So yeah, Samarzdija seems really young, because he was in the bigs so soon after being drafted, but he spent three years in college. But usually the youngest players are the ones drafted out of HS (or signed internationally), who skip a level or two, spend three years in the minors (or less in very rare cases, like Upton) and make it to the bigs at 20 or 21.

I’ve already got some fun trivia for next week re: Jamie Moyer and other old people.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 18, 2009 8:52 PM CST reply actions  

But usually the youngest players are the ones drafted out of HS (or signed internationally), who skip a level or two, spend three years in the minors (or less in very rare cases, like Upton) and make it to the bigs at 20 or 21.

For example, Brett Lawrie, who will be the Brewers’ starting catcher by the All-Star break.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Jan 18, 2009 9:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Wouldn't that be fun

Would it be unreasonable to expect Fielder-like production from Lawrie? Not 50-HR Fielder, but maybe 2008 Fielder. Someone who could protect Braun in the line-up. Granted there are almost no stats or anything to go on so it’s not the easiest question to answer. I’m just wondering what people are expecting because of all the trade Fielder talk going on.

"my goodness"

by BrewHaHeather on Jan 18, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions  

I think

it stems more from the excitement over Gamel, plus the fact that, given Gamel’s defensive shortcomings at third base, Fielder is likely blocking the only position he could reasonably play.

It’s getting to the point where if you don’t go from AA ball to the majors, there’s something wrong with you as a prospect.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 19, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions  

Yeah, I always pictured Gamel at 1B, especially considering the majority of his errors are throwing errors

"my goodness"

by BrewHaHeather on Jan 19, 2009 11:17 AM CST up reply actions  

To be fair...

The year before Braun came up, he had 31 E-5s. Gamel had 32 between AA and AAA.

Obviously Braun moved, but Gamel’s bat may be valued significantly more than his glove, as was the case for Braun. I personally expect to see Gamel up before the end of May to be Bill Hall’s left handed platoon partner and relegating league-minimum Mike Lamb to back up 1B and pinch hitting duties.

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 19, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions  

I hope you're right

Plus, going from 53 errors in a season to 32 is encouraging. If his defense improves enough I definately see him being called up before the ASG

"my goodness"

by BrewHaHeather on Jan 19, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions  

Exactly :)

And another offshoot of what I’m talking about … some players you have to draft out of HS, because if you don’t, someone else will, but most good players have a six-year peak from 24-30 or 25-31. So somebody who debuts at 23 or 24 — think Pedroia, Braun, pretty much any high-profile college guy — is under team control for much of their peak. But somebody who debuts at 20 or 21 … they hit FA in their mid-20s. Extreme example is Felix Hernandez, who I just read will be FA-eligible at age 25. Obviously he has the chance to be great from age 23-25, but the M’s blew a cheap-Felix year on ’06 20y.o. Felix (ERA+ of 98), and maybe even ’07 21yo Felix (ERA+ of 110).

Not to say they should’ve or even could’ve held him back. Or that any team should, with a Gallardo or Justin Upton or the like. But it certainly sheds some light on why college players can be better values—to the team that drafts them—than HS players who may end up to be better but put up their big numbers only after they get expensive.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 18, 2009 9:43 PM CST up reply actions  

Interesting ...

Never thought about it that way. How old will Braun be when his extension expires?

by oconnobe on Jan 19, 2009 7:55 AM CST reply actions  

Oops...

thought I hit reply. Sorry about that.

by oconnobe on Jan 19, 2009 7:56 AM CST up reply actions  

well...let's look at the Brewers youngsters in general

Braun — through age 31 (would have been age 29 if we hadn’t signed the extension)

I think Hardy/Fielder/Weeks/Gallardo are all under team control through their age 27 seasons. Hart through age 29.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 19, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions  

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