Arby figures are out

by Hyatt on Jan 20, 2009 4:40 PM CST

and sadly, none of them involve a beef and chedder.

Prince filed for 8, the Brewers came back with 6. (think he may be regretting passing on that 5 year 60 mil deal?)

Corey filed for 3.8, the Crew came back with 2.7.

Rickie filed for 2.8, Brewers came back at 2.

Middle ground for all 3 are fair in my opinion, and I think we're getting a steal on Prince.

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Fielder

It’s just his first time through arbitration. I’m sure before five years is done he’ll be over $12 million per year.

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by TheJay on Jan 20, 2009 4:51 PM CST reply actions

Player — Value Wins — Dollars Worth (in Millions)

Fielder — 2.7 — $12.1
Weeks — 1.9 — $8.6
Hart — 1.3 — $5.9

Fangraphs’ Standard Formula for Arbitration: 40/60/80% (of what the actual value is for each arb year)

Weeks is a steal at either number. I’d like Fielder a hell of a lot better at 6 than 8—and who wouldn’t—but it could be worse. And Hart isn’t out of line.

On a fun note:

Ryan Howard — 3.1 — $14.1
He asked for 18, Phillies offered 14.
Albert Pujols — 9.1 — $40.7
He made 13.8 million last year.

by HRF on Jan 20, 2009 4:52 PM CST reply actions

I can't believe I'm saying this...

… but I think Scott Boras just made a reasonable request for Fielder’s salary. I thought he’d come in at 10 for sure.

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 20, 2009 5:05 PM CST up reply actions

Ditto

as much as I hate the guy, I have to admit that he does seem to know what he is doing.

by MadJimiBrewha on Jan 20, 2009 6:49 PM CST up reply actions

I thought maybe 9, 9.5

Howard won his case with 10 last year. Howard is better than Fielder.

However, the fact that he won 10 makes you wonder if he could have gotten more, so I wouldn’t have been surprised if Fielder came in asking for 9+

by tcyoung on Jan 21, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions

I agree that Howard is better than Fielder.

I just wasn’t sure that 1) Boras would concede that point; and 2) that Boras wouldn’t concede Howard’s superiority and ask for 10 anyway because it’s a year later. I’ll admit the 2nd option appeared less likely as free agency dragged on and so many were getting less than they hoped. I think 8’s a reasonable number from Boras. I’d prefer 6 of course because fan interest usually lines up more closely with the club than it does with the player, but I can’t argue that Boras’ number doesn’t make sense.

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 21, 2009 12:30 PM CST up reply actions

Yeah,

He probably could have gotten away with a higher figure and won. kudos to boras

I can’t believe I just said that.

by tcyoung on Jan 21, 2009 2:05 PM CST up reply actions

FWIW

Arb awards are based on dollars given to players at similar arb stages, not FA. So for the most part, a down market for free agents shouldn’t affect the money Prince and others get in arb.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 21, 2009 2:33 PM CST up reply actions

Well ok.

But the dollars given to FA do impact the amounts given to arb eligible players. I’ll admit it may not happen as fast as the same offseason, but sooner or later a drag on FA salaries reflects in arbitration salaries awarded. And if it doesn’t, fewer players will be offered arbitration. But to the extent that your point is that the down market this year won’t effect the awards given to the arbitration eligible players this year, you may be right. I also think that it’s unrealistic to think that an arbitrator is not effected by an obvious down market in FA when choosing a figure.

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 21, 2009 5:39 PM CST up reply actions

Paging The Jay

Has there ever been an instance where the team’s arby offer was greater than the player’s arby offer?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 20, 2009 6:10 PM CST reply actions

Nice avatar, Torgo.

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 20, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions

I'm thinking

Manos, the Hands of Fate.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 20, 2009 6:42 PM CST up reply actions

Bingo.

I don’t remember a lot of MST3K eps anymore, but I do remember that one.

I also remember Joel’s Torgo-inspired idea for a scary movie character that has “really big thumbs, but not on his hands.”

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 20, 2009 7:05 PM CST up reply actions

I could really go for some

Torgo’s Pizza

C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk

by alkaseitzer on Jan 21, 2009 2:40 PM CST up reply actions

I doubt it

It would take a bizarre set of circumstances to pull that off. There would have to be no contact between the two sides prior to arbitration figures being exchanged, both sides would have to wildly over/under-estimate the player’s value, and the figures would have to leak out before the sides quickly agreed to a compromise. I’d imagine the team and player would jump at what they each considered a favorable salary well before arbitration figures were officially exchanged.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jan 20, 2009 6:31 PM CST up reply actions

speaking of avatars

frost on a window?

by ol Pete on Jan 21, 2009 9:26 AM CST up reply actions

Nope

A picture of the Niagara River about a mile beneath Niagara Falls taken on a cheap, disposable camera with the colors inverted. I think it looks better that way.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jan 21, 2009 4:14 PM CST up reply actions

So, if Melvin comes back with the same offer as last year

only 4 years at $12 mil per does Prince sign? And Corey has to be kicking himself right now, I think he was offered a Bill Hall-type deal last year and turned it down.

by Getting Yosted on Jan 21, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions

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