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BCB Projections: Third Basemen, Closing 1B

Introduction, CA | 1B | 2B

The projections are in for the first basemen. I averaged out Fielder's totals, we'll link the rest of the projected in the spreadsheet later.

Prince Fielder

BCB: .284/.380/.547

CHONE: .286/.388/.555

Marcel: .282/.377/.530

ZiPS: .285/.388/.569

Again, we line up nicely with the rest of the projection systems. They like Prince's healthy line drive rate, though ZiPS especially has been known to overrate lefty sluggers because they naturally will have a slightly lower BABIP due to the extreme shifts. I like our chances to beat the other projections here once again.

Today we reach the only position in the entire starting lineup that has a pretty major controversy over playing time. Bill Hall and Mike Lamb are scheduled to platoon at third base, but Doug Melvin has acknowledged that Mat Gamel will compete for the job in spring training and will likely see time in the majors in 2009.

The format remains the same:

.avg/.obp/.slg (PA) Hall
.avg/.obp/.slg (PA) Lamb

.300/.350/.400 (75)  Starter last name
.270/.330/.400 (25)  Backup last name

Account for Gamel if you think he'll play in the majors at third base this year, and as always, make sure the percentage of plate appearances equals 100. I tend to think Gamel's CHONE projection is a bit too pessimistic; this is probably a result of his poor second half in which he played through an elbow injury. Don't be afraid to go to his 60 or 70th percentile projection.

We're also encountering a new challenge in our community projections today. The 50th percentile CHONE projection for Hall and Lamb aren't as useful here because we assume they'll be managed to gain the full advantage of the platoon effect. Projection systems don't account for this type of effect, so we're going to have to do some guesswork. I highly recommend using the career splits of Hall and Lamb as a baseline for the projection.

The only other real possibility for playing time I see here is Casey McGehee, unless Craig Counsell re-signs before the start of the season. I'll link his CHONE page as well.

Thanks for helping us project, once again. The link to the second basemen projection is at the top of this post, and will be open until tomorrow morning. I'll open up the shortstops and wrap up the second basemen tomorrow afternoon.


Bill Hall

2008: .225/.293/.396

2008 vLHP: .306/.371/.522

Career vLHP: .278/.355/.493

Mike Lamb

2008: .235/.276/.320

2008 vRHP: .259/.300/.343

Career vRHP: .281/.336/.422

Mat Gamel

30th 0.240 0.302 0.364
40th 0.250 0.312 0.383
50th 0.262 0.328 0.413
60th 0.271 0.340 0.435
70th 0.281 0.352 0.460






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Very interesting

fascinating that CHONE and ZiPS are more optimistic about Fielder than we are. I guess we can explain it with pessimism over weight/diet issues, but I’m guessing fan community projections are higher than the projection systems the VAST majority of the time.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 21, 2009 4:03 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Again assuming the CC returns...

Hall 0.270/.320/.460 (45)
Lamb 0.270/.330/.380 (35)
Counsell .230/.340/.324 (15)
Gamel .275/.340/.440 (5)

by Braun Holio on Jan 21, 2009 5:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

.268/.328/.470 (30) Hall
.273/.330/.410 (30) Lamb
.270/.320/.450 (40) Gamel

by HRF on Jan 21, 2009 6:09 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

.270/.340/.480 (40) Hall
.275/.333/.400 (30) Lamb
.260/.325/.420 (30) Gamel

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Jan 21, 2009 6:56 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

.260/.335/.460 (40) Hall
.245/.339/.390 (30) Lamb
.270/.345/.430 (30) Gamel

by Charlie Marlow on Jan 21, 2009 8:48 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

.252/.309/.416 (60) Hall
.276/.345/.420 (35) Lamb
.298/.320/.450 (5) Gamel

Eric Gagne DL time: May 23-June 29 Brewers record in that span: 20-9

by NoahJ on Jan 21, 2009 8:58 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

.270/.325/.480 (40) Hall
.250/.325/.415 (30) Lamb
.275/.340/.440 (30) Gamel

by cmow on Jan 21, 2009 11:15 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

It's fascinating

to see so many .800+ OPS projections for Hall. Long live the Bill E. Lamb platoon!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jan 22, 2009 6:53 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

.280/.347/.461 Gamel (45)
.245/.300/.387 Lamb (35)
.270/.320/.470 Hall (20)

Don't try to do too much with it. Just take the ball the other way.

by shooty babitt on Jan 22, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Playing Time

I just don’t see Hall getting that many at-bats. He’s going to be the short half of the platoon. Look those righty splits for Lamb. Puke! Is he even worth platooning. My hunch is that Hall’s bat isn’t going to come back in a platoon situation, that he’s going to throw the ball all over the stadium again, that Lamb just simply can’t hit, and that Gamel will be up by July.

Don't try to do too much with it. Just take the ball the other way.

by shooty babitt on Jan 22, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

What kind of a putz comments on his own post?

Don't try to do too much with it. Just take the ball the other way.

by shooty babitt on Jan 22, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

.250/.325/.425 Hall (50)
.245/.330/.390 Lamb (30)
.270/.335/.445 Gamel (20)

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by Jack Moore on Jan 22, 2009 5:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

.244/.329/.437 (58) Hall
.271/.338/.440 (20) Gamel
.259/.320/.396 (22) Lamb

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by Jordan M on Jan 23, 2009 3:10 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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