I can't believe Brewers fans are just succumbing to their fate??
As a Cubs fan I am totally miffed of the attitude about the Brewers moves. The Brewers were one of the best upcoming teams in baseball. Attendance goes through the roof fans care again and season ticket sales nearly double. Now, after you make it to the playoffs one year out of 25, the team and ownership has decided to essentially re-build? That is really an awful way to do business and reward loyal fans.
I would be 10x more angry. Depending on those starting pitchers to be anything other then awful is really not taking a good hard look in the mirror. Jon Garland signed for about what the Brewers paid Hoffman and that in itself is enough to make any smart Brewers fan throw up. It was truly a pathetic off-season.
Can anyone here actually tell me the Crew have a shot in the NL Central this season? **crickets**
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Injuries
Every season is dictated by injuries. The Brewers starting rotation isn’t great, but if they all stay healthy and we get full innings from all 5 starters, then they’ll be competitive all on their own. The biggest problem is depth. There’s no one to replace a starter.
Similarly, if the Cubs rotation loses 2 pitchers early, they’re suddenly not as dominant in the Central. The Brewers lost Capuano and Gallardo at the beginning of last season so it’s not unprecedented to lose two starters by April.
Every team has injuries and those can often dictate the outcome of the season. The Brewers aren’t a bad team, by all rights, and definitely have a shot, but on paper the current NL Central rosters favor the Cubs.
by ecocd on Jan 29, 2009 2:27 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Starting pitching, or pitching in general, is our shaky ground. But, to be honest, I think this team may resemble more of a better tempered version of our 2007 squad possibly, and that team nearly got us the NL Central.
This sort of post to me shouts what brings down major media market teams, and that’s that they expect things are just a given. The Yankees spend through the roof, and get beaten down by the rookie Rays. So why not the Milwaukee Brewers? There are always unknowns and possibilities to this game. So who’s to say the Cubs are merited the Central? They have as many unknowns on that squad as any other team in the game.
As a fan of my Crew, I’m happy with my team, and love that we’re way ahead of ourselves in attendance than ever at this point(again). Pathetic to lose CC to a team playing with silly money? Nah, we tried. Pathetic if Sheets doesn’t return? Not too much, but that’s still even a possibility of him returning. Jon Garland is Jeff Suppan with youth on his side, in my opinion, so I don’t think we missed anything there.
By my estimation, I think this will be a whole heck of a lot closer than any of us think right now. It’s dependent on our pitching staff, consistency, and health, just like any other team.
An awful way to do business though? Not at all. They’re doing as much as they can with the money in front of them. An awful way to reward the fans though? I’d say not giving our fans a championship caliber ball club after 100 years is a bad rap, and with our market, I say we still have a huge talent pool to make us a major factor for years and years to come.
by Lavender on Jan 29, 2009 2:29 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
You call this rebuilding??
Ummm, yeah….so I don’t quite see how signing your best player to an 8-year contract, signing Prince to a 2-year deal, picking up your veteran CF’s $10 million option, and signing the best closer of all time constitutes as rebuilding. Of course we lost CC, but nobody expected the Brewers small-mid market to contend with the big markets. Maybe I missed something though.
How many playoff games have the Cubs won the last two years?
by ajoconnor on Jan 29, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think after laughing this one out with a few friends, that we should all let this Cub fan continue in his city of delusion. I think I’m making a promise to myself to just let these Cubbies do their talking this season as they spiral into obscurity.
So that’s it for me on the Cubs for 2009. They can talk all they want, still doesn’t change what HASN’T been done in that organization for a century. Ok, now that it for me in ’09 on the Cubs.
by Lavender on Jan 29, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers fan from Chicago here
Just came back from a Borders… and laughed so hard when I saw this hat on sale… hope the community enjoys it!
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
by Kyguy922 on Jan 29, 2009 11:48 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
by Kyguy922 on Jan 29, 2009 11:49 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA! You sir, have just made my day :)
by Lavender on Jan 30, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Everyone forgets
We also signed a proven manager.
Ken Macha >> Nedly Yost
by tcyoung on Jan 30, 2009 7:20 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Do you suggest we march on Milwaukee with pitchforks?
Jon Garland is pretty bad at baseball.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
by Jordan M on Jan 29, 2009 3:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
succumbing to our fate
disregarding for a moment the discussion of whether we’ll be competitive, what are we supposed to do?
Get 10 times angrier?
Hold protests outside Miller Park?
by cmow on Jan 29, 2009 3:18 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
We're just too darn nice
to hold protests outside Miller Park or march on Milwaukee with pitchforks. Silly, patient Wisconsinites!
by ecocd on Jan 29, 2009 3:30 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
To quote the Stork

“What the hell we supposed to do Moron?”
The Bambi's Bombers won because they played the game like kids! Let's do that again!!!
by 80badger on Jan 29, 2009 3:35 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Cubs like to spend
The Crew can’t afford to throw money at the latest thing – (see Fukudome) and have it fail miserably. Given their track record with big contracts for pitchers, I’m glad they didn’t throw money at Garland – I would much rather have Hoffman then Garland or any of those #5 starters. For a little perspective, let’s look at the Twins of last year – they lost Hunter and Santana and I think played a playoff game.. Do they need another starter? – yeah they do – but I’d much rather see how things break after opening day then throw money around now – we’ve got two good young pitchers and two solid middle of the rotation guys (yeah, I think Suppan will have a solid #4 starter year – 12-10, 200 inns. 4.25 era) and the number 5 starter is up in the air. But I’d rather take a shot with McClung or Villanueva then overspend on scraps. I think our offense and bullpen hang in there through September this year and we match last year’s 90 wins. Will the Cubs do as well as last year? Who makes them better – Milton Bradley? Losing DeRosa is gonna hurt them – he was key last year – do they get another career year from Theriot? Is Taguchi a better spot starter in the outfield then Edmonds was last year? How healthy is Harden all year?
by Cushdog on Jan 29, 2009 3:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
::sigh::
Cubs trolls, already?
I was actually reading Cubs blogs to get reactions to the Heilman trade, and to an interesting bit of news that may indicate that Jeff Samardzija may start the season in Iowa so he can start, because Heilman has his bullpen slot. However, I thought Harden was busted again…Spellcheck? In your rotation? It’s more likely than you think. (The only people who want Chad Gaudin starting are fans of all the other NL Central teams.)
As much as the Brewers haven’t made many changes, I don’t think that the changes the Cubs have made have been particularly positive. The Cubs barely have any backup pitching, either, and I’m not sold on Samardzija; much like the Brewers version of the Swiss Army Pitcher, he can start or relieve and run up a K/BB =>1.
by morineko on Jan 29, 2009 3:39 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
never use mathematical symbols when sick
I meant < 1 on that; has anyone actually looked at his stats from 2007? Uggggh. I think the only thing that saved him at the ML level last year was that he wasn’t starting.
by morineko on Jan 29, 2009 3:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Confused
On why you don’t see any depth there. Chad Gaudin was a league average starter in the AL and all his projections for this year seem fine. Same with Sean Marshall.
by ACB on Jan 30, 2009 3:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
also confused
Gaudin was only a full-time starter for a year. Much like McClung and Villanueva, his real talents probably belong in ye olde bullpen.
Right now, w/o injuries, the Cubs rotation in no particular order would be Zambrano-Dempster-Lilly-Harden-Marshall, no? The viable backups would be, in particular order from looking at the 40-man, Samardzija, Gaudin, and Berg, right? Heilman could in a pinch but he hasn’t made a start since 2005.
I admit that is probably better than Capuano, Villanueva, DiFelice, and the other 4 Horsemen of Dubious Pitching that were the Sounds’ rotation last year who aren’t on the 40-man, but that’s not exactly saying much.
by morineko on Jan 30, 2009 5:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
idiot
all the cubs do is spend and suck. how do you call this rebuilding? the florida marlins were rebuilding. the cubs have a great offseason themselves. haha not! what have the cubs done that is so great. trading away a great 2nd baseman/outfielder derosa. not bringing back wood, aaron heilman? theres a winner. forrest gregg? look out.
by BenSheets15 on Jan 29, 2009 3:54 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
At least we're not tearing down our own team from the inside.
Mark DeRosa, Felix Pie, Ronny Cedeno…….
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Juuuust a bit outside!!
http://www.rightfieldbleachers.com
by Jack Moore on Jan 29, 2009 3:57 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
milton bradley
theres a team cancer, 7 teams in 9 years, terrible atitude, cant stay healthy. thats exactly who i want to spend 30 million on, brilliant
by BenSheets15 on Jan 29, 2009 4:04 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I can't remember...
Which section of Wrigley is it again where I can buy my peanuts from Fukudome?
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Jan 29, 2009 4:06 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Not many trades in the starting 8 positions
How many Brewers would I trade for Cubs at each position?? Not many – I’ll take the Brewers outfield – The Brewer SS, 2nd, and First – I’ll take the cubs catcher and 3rd baseman – now starting pitching… I’ll give the Cubs 3 of 5 but no more. How about bullpen? Who’s the Cub closer – Marmal? – then who is the set up? What about the bench?? Cubbies is more expensive – is it better – maybe, Brewers are better overall and will prove it during the season.
by Cushdog on Jan 29, 2009 4:08 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Come on!
It does not take too long of a look at each roster (specifically the pitching staff) to ascertain that the Cubs are the superior team. The players, pitchers, money and manager are all there (even the most drunk and unintelligent fan-base!). The X factor is what I would like to call the Chokey City. Our beloved Brewers will win the NL Central, not because they’ll be so competent and dominant, but because the Cubs will choke. It should only take 87 wins.
by One-Flap Down on Jan 29, 2009 4:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
What do you call an intelligent Cubs fan????
There are none…the smart ones decided to root for the White Sox.
by ajoconnor on Jan 29, 2009 6:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That is true, because last season I attended a Chi-Sox game, and they didn’t erupt into cheer every time the ball left the infield on the fly, thinking it’s out of the ballpark.
by Lavender on Jan 30, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And they've won three world series championships since 1906.
I think Ozzie is right, people should start talking about the Sox instead of the Cubs.
by ajoconnor on Jan 30, 2009 10:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well you can see where it’s more of a fad than a community fan base. Sure they have loyal fans, but when you get random idiots like Mark Cuban, from PITTSBURGH, to just act like a super fan, it just speaks volumes that it’s more of a label than a community. That’s why idiots like LeBron James think the Yankees are so great, even though he grew up in Ohio. It’s just more following a crowd.
I think I just broke my promise to not bad mouth the Cubs. It feeds their egos because they think it shows how great their team is…irony…crap, I did it again!
by Lavender on Jan 30, 2009 12:01 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So says I...
As if I know anything…
by One-Flap Down on Jan 29, 2009 4:25 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As a Cubs fan I am totally miffed of the attitude about the Brewers moves.
Well, that’s because you’re a self-admitted idiot.
The Brewers were one of the best upcoming teams in baseball.
Correct. And then they lost Sabathia and Sheets. Yet, even with those two, they were only an 86-Pythagorean-win team.
Attendance goes through the roof fans care again and season ticket sales nearly double.
Fans being unrealistic can not, should not, and hopefully never dictates the move of a smart organization.
What’s it like trading two former top prospects for Aaron Heilman? Real good use of resources.
Now, after you make it to the playoffs one year out of 25, the team and ownership has decided to essentially re-build?
They resigned Cameron. They made an offer that put them second on CC’s list behind the Yankees. What else were they to do? Overspend—with money they don’t have—on AJ Burnett? Doing something stupid now—like spending money they don’t have just because they made the playoffs last year—is a terrible waste of resources, especially with 2010 and beyond looking to the be the window for the Brewers.
That is really an awful way to do business and reward loyal fans.
No. An awful way to do business and reward loyal fans is believe the team is still somehow a 90 game winner without Sabathia and Sheets and spend money for the sake of spending money just to appease the ignorant and shortsighted fans that call into 620 and 540 who have absolutely no vision towards the future and have to win now. Not doing anything stupid this offseason, like signing Looper to a multi-year deal, is doing a hell of a lot more to get this team viable for 2010 and on than any move your Cubs have made.
Really, congrats again on turning Pie and Cedeno in Aaron Heilman. Anytime you can take two top-ten prospects and turn them into a sixth starter, you gotta do that.
I would be 10x more angry.
That’s because you’re stupid.
Depending on those starting pitchers to be anything other then awful is really not taking a good hard look in the mirror.
They’re not depending on them. They’re being realistic about their chances and acting accordingly—by not spending on marginal players like Looper who won’t get the team into the playoffs or on zero’s like Garland. They’re not doing anything to adversely affect the team in 2010 and on.
Jon Garland signed for about what the Brewers paid Hoffman and that in itself is enough to make any smart Brewers fan throw up.
See how stupid you are? Jon Garland sucks.
It was truly a pathetic off-season.

Can anyone here actually tell me the Crew have a shot in the NL Central this season? crickets
It’s not looking good. But it’s looking better and better after this season, and it’s looking worse and worse for the aging team from Chicago.
by HRF on Jan 29, 2009 6:17 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, pretty much
I think it’s important to keep the Generic Cub Fan mindset in mind, though. They outspent the Brewers last season by about $40 million, and they’re upping their payroll this year. They’re the Yankees, without the World Series titles. (Or playoff wins, for that matter.)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jan 29, 2009 6:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or tradition
or class, or merchandise sales, or RSN, or… I could just go on forever
I just sit back and root for the taser
by Hyatt on Jan 30, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Man that clip never gets old
It’s baseball reference gold.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Jan 29, 2009 7:29 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Tempered Optimism
While I am as concerned as anyone with the current depth of the starting rotation, I do think people should take a step back before getting carried away with the bashing the Brewers offense. That horrible September slide when no one was hitting is still fresh in my mind, but think of it this way. Pitching is a big key, but generally when a smaller market team makes the playoffs, it is also due to a career year or two by a couple of offensive stars. I don’t think anyone in the Brewers had a career year by any standards last season:
Kendall…no so much
Fielder…no where near 2007
Weeks…still waiting
Hardy…seemed like 2007 was his career year, but then he duplicated it in 2008
Third Base in General…Branyan had his hot streak, but even his numbers combined with Hall’s aren’t anything extrordinary
Braun…just tapping his potential and played hurt in the second half
Cameron…maybe as good as could be expected, but not a career year
Hart…everyone knows his story
If a couple of guys come up big and have a “career year” (and goodness knows there is enough young talent to get better) we could have a dramatically better offense. As for the pitching, well hopefully without Mr. Sheets the total trips to the infirmiry will dramattically decrease.
I would bet that the Cubs will not have their entire starting lineup hit .280 – .290 this year with 60 to 70 walks a piece.
by Infield Fly Rule on Jan 29, 2009 6:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
I couldn't help myself.

How far will this one fly?
by Rendezvous on Jan 29, 2009 9:56 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Also striking me later
1. Generally, one does not place a question mark after a statement. Especially when the aforementioned statement is the title of a piece of writing.
2. Using the term “crickets” is usually reserved for when a person inquires something and does not receive a response, not when they are initially posting a discussion thread.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
by Jordan M on Jan 29, 2009 10:26 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Upon further review
here, we also are generally fans of punctuation, proper syntax, and avoiding unnecessary punctuation. Also, parallel structure, which is where you use the same verb tense throughout the passage. Commendable effort though, I’m impressed with the word “succumbing”.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
by Jordan M on Jan 29, 2009 10:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Optimism
I was thinking about posting a thread in the upcoming months about why Brewers fans should be optimistic about 2009. But I should have thought of this.. nothing unites Brewers fans like a Cubs fan talking trash.
by tcyoung on Jan 30, 2009 7:27 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Damn he's right
Boooo Brewers… Booo Baseball… I’m taking my ball and going home.
Ooops I already paid in full for my tickets next year.
by SgtClueLs on Jan 30, 2009 8:57 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
To be fair, while this gentleman may not have the best ideas about how the Brewers should improve or what they have done right or wrong, he was at least pretty civil about. He isn’t spewing irrational hate or anything and seems to just want to have a good battle in the central this year. I say cut him slack, most cubs fans are much less tolerable than this person.
by Trent Durrington on Jan 30, 2009 11:45 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Seconded.
He’s not the worst pitcher ever, just the worst good pitcher.
by KLSnow on Jan 30, 2009 1:43 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thirded?
Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.
by TheJay on Jan 30, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That’s like saying have your hand cut off is tolerable versus your arm.
by HRF on Jan 30, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
im ready!
are you ready? thanks to this idiot cub fan, i now am jacked up waiting for this season to start…and i dont think taking advice from a cubs fan is something very logical. the cubs franchise is one of the worst run franchises i have ever seen when it comes down to winning. (specially with the resources they got)
Jon garland you say? no telling how pissed off i would have been if we signed this joker.(though he is durable, ill give hime that) but a terrible era, bad whip, bad K/BB ratio, terrible BAA.
You trade away DeRo, one of your best players, and fan favorites. team is aging. a brian roberts or jake peavy deal are both looking like a no-go. harden is hurt. zambrano is now a 4.00 era guy with injury concerns. dempster had a career year last year and i for one, do not expect the same out of him.(i dont think he lost a game at home until after the all-star break, plz correct me if i am wrong). another bad trade for you guys, acquisition of kevin gregg, he is going to be a guy who will frustrate the hell out of you, with his suspect, at best, control. 30 million dollar milton is a very injury prone, team cancer. carlos marmol as closer = more control problem headaches.
but hey, what do i know. at least you’s guys still got that fukudome character. hes pretty good am i right? ha
what a joke of a post, get your facts straight. we will see when it comes time to play ball rather than crowning cubbies kings of the central in january.
LOSER
by BrewerBlue87 on Jan 30, 2009 12:38 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
A civil response
I actually didn’t hate the DeRo trade because it cleared some cap room, allowed a younger Fontenot playing time and dropped Derosa at a time when his stats will almost assuredly decline. You talk about Dempster’s career year, but don’t give us credit when we make a move after our 2nd basemen has a career year.
Second, you don’t hear about teams saying that Milton Bradley is a team cancer. He is injury prone, he is slightly psychotic (though the Cubs hope that has faded), but he has always tried to play and has never, to my knowledge, been referred to as a team cancer.
And for all of the insulting that the people on this website do about Fukudome, understand that he has a better average and a better OBP than Cameron, comparable salaries and next season, Fukudome will also probably be a CF. If Brewers fans would like to constantly throw Fukudome into the joke heap, please let Cameron follow.
I wish the Brewers the best this season, especially because I worry about the Cardinals not only taking the NL Wild Card, but the NL Central this season.
Good luck.
Conversation at a Cubs Game
Me "I think it's cool that a lot of Cubs have names that are abbreviations. A-Ram, D-Ro, D-Lee.... how about R-Ther (R-Tear).
Cousin "....that just sounds graphic."
by Beaushek on Jan 30, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cleared some cap room?
Is this the NBA?
by marty22 on Jan 30, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
fair enough, but we have a max payroll (I believe 145 mil) and we got rid of DeRo to keep us well under that number just in case we want to sign someone else.
So… cleared out some payroll?
Conversation at a Cubs Game
Me "I think it's cool that a lot of Cubs have names that are abbreviations. A-Ram, D-Ro, D-Lee.... how about R-Ther (R-Tear).
Cousin "....that just sounds graphic."
by Beaushek on Jan 30, 2009 3:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Just ribbing you because you're a cubs fan
I think our point of the trade is that while it did clear some payroll space, why couldn’t Hendry at least get something useful? We acknowledge that DeRo had value, and the trade looked like a salary dump, something we’d try to do with Bill Hall.
by marty22 on Jan 30, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
link.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jan 30, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So it agrees with me
It says he gets injured and has a temper.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I interpret “Clubhouse Cancer” to someone who will rip a team apart by creating divisions… blah blah blah.
Where are the reports of teammates saying he doesn’t try hard enough? Where are the reports of teammates saying he does…. well…. anything bad. You don’t see them cause he’s a good team player.
Yet again, I’m not saying he won’t get injured or flip out, I’m onlysaying he’s not going to be a “clubhouse cancer”
Conversation at a Cubs Game
Me "I think it's cool that a lot of Cubs have names that are abbreviations. A-Ram, D-Ro, D-Lee.... how about R-Ther (R-Tear).
Cousin "....that just sounds graphic."
by Beaushek on Jan 30, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
I’m strictly visiting this Fanshot™ here for the jokes. If you write
=== and has never, to my knowledge, been referred to as a team cancer. ===
And a 5-second Google search gives me, in the HEADLINE,
=== Cubs sign ultimate Clubhouse Cancer Milton Bradley – 2009 disaster looms. ===
I mean…c’mon. The Ultimate Clubhouse cancer! Surely you can see the humor in it.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jan 30, 2009 4:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
What defines a clubhouse cancer then?
Milton has already gotten into arguments with a GM, a manager, another player, fans, TV announcers, and of course, umpires. As far as I know, that pretty much covers every type of person in a baseball stadium during a game. I’m not sure what else you can add to that resume. All I know is it will be interesting seeing Lou and Milton’s personalities mix.
by ajoconnor on Jan 30, 2009 4:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Peanuts cause cancer?
Another reason to bring back Calvin and Hobbes.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Feb 2, 2009 11:25 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Bloody hell,
I was a little bit on your side until you decided Fuk was as valuable as Cam… Take into account some defense, man, that is crazy talk.
by Braunstalker on Feb 2, 2009 6:04 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Despite the feelings I've expressed regarding the front office performance in the off season
Screw this guy. GO CREW!!!
I just sit back and root for the taser
by Hyatt on Jan 30, 2009 1:16 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
As a Cubs fan
I just want to say this is a terrible post and belongs over at the other BCB which is a haven for Cubs fans who haven’t yet learned how to breath with a closed mouth.
That said, alot of the reasons I’ve seen from Brewer fans as to why they feel the Cubs will “suck” this year are full of suspect logic themselves.
by ACB on Jan 30, 2009 3:51 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
It's safe to assume
that no one really thinks the Cubs will suck this year. You have a rival come to your blog and concern troll, you’re going to get “Cubs suck” responses.
At my most optimistic, I’m hopeful we can keep the Cubs from running away with it until September, though even that might take some luck and Cub injuries.
But to be fair - I know, I posted this upthread - the Cubs’ payroll topped ours by $40 million last season, and it’s going up this season. Give the Brewers another $40 million to play with this season, then suddenly we have CC and Derek Lowe, and it’s the Cubs who are playing for the wild card before the season starts.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Jan 30, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
ooh, ooooh. i do. i think the cubs will suck this year. i ran a couple of simulations in my simulator and the projections projected to 71-91 for the cubs. ouch. still an improvement over 2006 though. right?
Bring Back The Old Logo!
by jacob on Jan 31, 2009 9:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
the entire NL Central sucks
including the Brewers. Nobody’s really made any changes that amounted to more than rearranging deck chairs on a sinking ship. However, someone’s got to win the thing.
by morineko on Jan 30, 2009 5:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about that...
I agree that no one has made a big step forward, but the bottom end of the division will probably improve — the Reds have more/more seasoned prospects, and the Pirates have more upside than they have recently. (May not mean more wins, but could be a challenge.) The Cards are getting Carpenter back and they were at 86 wins last year. The Brewers may not win 90, but I’ll bet we win 85, and the Cubs aren’t going to win 97 again, but I’ll bet they win 92+. The Astros are the only team in the division that could massively disappoint.
Ultimately, though, it isn’t a matter of how much the division improved, it’s a matter of how much it improved relative to the rest of the league. The Braves are probably better, and I’d bet the Giants are, too. But is there any other NL team that you think is going to add 5 wins to their ‘08 total? Maybe the Dodgers, if they bring Manny back for an entire year. But everybody else—including the Mets and Phillies, who were the prime competition for a WC spot—look like they’re treading water at best.
…
OK, now I’m playing with numbers. Last year the Central as a whole was 14 games over .500. In my estimates above, I have the Brewers and Cubs losing 5 games apiece; I wouldn’t be surprised if the Pirates or Reds pick up that many each, but let’s say between them they gain 7. So that’s a net loss of 3 games. Say the Cardinals stay put. Thus, if the Astros lose 11 games, turning into a 75-win team (possible, though they’ll probably do better than that), the Central is even at .500. Those are a whole bunch of conservative estimates, too — give the Brewers or Cards a May streak and an ensuing CC-type mid-season acquisition and you gain 5 games on top of that.
So, basically, you have a division with the Cubs—as likely as anybody to win more games than any other NL team—and two teams (Cards and Brewers) who are at least contenders for the WC.
Now…a case can definitely be made that the NL as a whole has taken a step down relative to the AL. Not only did the Yankees grab a couple of big-time NL free agents without anybody going the other way, but it seems like most of the impact prospects likely to arrive this year (Wieters, maybe LaPorta, all those Boston pitchers) are in the AL. Long term, the NL has plenty, but guys like Escobar and Maybin aren’t going to make much of an impact in ’09, even if they are serviceable players.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 30, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
man, this keeps happening.
I have so much to say, you’d think I’d get a blog of my own already.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Jan 30, 2009 5:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you can write at mine.
Bring Back The Old Logo!
by jacob on Jan 31, 2009 9:33 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Or mine. :-)
He’s not the worst pitcher ever, just the worst good pitcher.
by KLSnow on Jan 31, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
This hasn’t been an impressive offseason for anyone in the NL, you’re right, and I am a bit worried about the competitive imbalance (although it hasn’t really made much of a difference in World Series victories…yet.)
by morineko on Jan 30, 2009 6:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeh, but the downside s
all thoe idiot espn talking heads spewing their nonsense on how the NL is so weak… in May. It’s just going to piss us all off. Hopefully the MLB Network can bring some sanity to us.
I just sit back and root for the taser
by Hyatt on Jan 31, 2009 12:02 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
are you drunk?
Vegas is in a class unto-itself, it's really not a "city", more a wonderland of awesomeness.
-Zeke
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Jan 31, 2009 6:19 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And we’re certainly better than either of the West divisions
by tcyoung on Feb 2, 2009 11:26 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Cards Fan Here
All I know is if the Cardinal’s lost CC and Sheets, 2 of the most dominant pitchers in baseball when healthy and only slightly upgraded the closer position. I would be a little worried and would be mad if we didn’t upgrade somewhere.
Cardinals have not made a lot of moves and their is near riots in the newspapers. So I just kind of assumed the Brewers who have made less moves and lost more would be more upset.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Jan 31, 2009 9:02 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Making moves for the sake of making moves is why bad organizations are bad organizations.
by HRF on Jan 31, 2009 9:33 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, Stat Whore. Explain how it is that you've measured the degree to which we're upset...
… and how it is that you’ve found us to be inadequately upset.
Then be prepared to answer Ol Pete when he asks you how many assumptions you’ve made in crafting that statistic.
Also, be prepared for the vast majority of us not to give a crap what a Card fan thinks about much of anything.
Oh, and by the way, I just untucked my shirt. Tell Albert Pujols for me, will ya?
I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Jan 31, 2009 10:27 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I used to hold Milwaukee Fans in higher regards
Thanks for destroying that image for me.
Stat Whore
by FlimtotheFlam on Feb 2, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Ooooo
A cutting retort! Poor TSSC, lying bleeding on the floor, having been sliced by your acerbic wit.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Feb 2, 2009 4:28 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And to think
I was about to tuck my shirt in.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Feb 2, 2009 4:53 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
In high regard?
Don’t lower your opinion of our fan base because our state line rivals want to start a row. I’d expect you, a Cardinals fan, would know no better of the rage of a Cubs fan being a knuckle head.
I think I broke my New Year’s resolution 5 times on this comment section..
by Lavender on Feb 5, 2009 4:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
hey fimflam
dont assume .. thank you
by BrewerBlue87 on Feb 1, 2009 3:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Seriously not gettin all the hatin on other team’s fans. None of these people are being unreasonable.
by Trent Durrington on Feb 1, 2009 3:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I’d say the assumption/suggestion we’re suppose to be furious with the organization right now is a tad unreasonable.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Feb 1, 2009 4:11 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I find your statement about the reasonability of finding other people unreasonable to be rather reasonable.
by Trent Durrington on Feb 1, 2009 4:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
reasonably speaking of course
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Feb 2, 2009 1:52 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I just untucked my shirt
classic
i’m fired up for baseball now.
nicely posted.
by cmow on Feb 1, 2009 11:02 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

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