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Monday's Frosty Mug

Some things to read while reconsidering your tuna melt strategies.

The Journal-Sentinel released their final grades for 2009's team and individual performances over the weekend, and as Miller Park Drunk predicted, they're a joke. Seth McClung also responded to his grade.

I'm not going to bother responding to any of the respective grades, because it's not worth the time. Instead, I'll point you to Wezen-ball's grades, which are both funnier and every bit as relevant.

Meanwhile, the Brewers could be close to announcing a deal with a new pitching coach, as Rick Peterson confirmed interest in the job over the weekend. (FanShot) He's been out of coaching for a year while he's worked with Dr. James Andrews, Al Leiter and Tom Glavine to develop a company devoted to assessing the biomechanics of little leaguers to prevent injury. This quote says volumes about what he might be looking to do in Milwaukee:
"I'm looking for a home that embraces this philosophy and wants to implement it throughout the organization," Peterson said.
Maybe I'm wrong and that's exactly what needs to be done. Certainly, if anyone is qualified to evaluate and adjust the mechanics of young pitchers, it's probably Peterson. With that said, the Brewers have a somewhat shaky track record of "adjusting" pitcher deliveries that ends with the opposite of the desired result: ineffectiveness and injury. So, Peterson's quote raised a red flag for me.

By the way, pitching is what doomed the 2009 Brewers, but Miller Park Drunk makes the argument that it wasn't the foregone conclusion that many argue it was.

Mark Attanasio issued an open letter to the fans over the weekend, reviewing the high points of 2009 and promising not to settle for the status quo in 2010. Regardless of how you feel about the 2009 Brewers and the effort that went into putting them together, I think this reminder of how far the Brewers have come is very important:
Only a few years ago, achieving a .500 record would have been acceptable, but posting 80 wins this year satisfied neither you nor the organization. This higher standard demonstrates how far we have come in raising our expectations and how much our performance has improved.
Casa de Machado has an open letter of their own regarding possible responses if the Brewers decide to trade Ryan Braun.

In the minors and winter leagues:
  • The list won't be available online until Wednesday, but Tom H. is reporting that Alcides Escobar will be sixth in Baseball America's rankings of the top 20 prospects in the Pacific Coast League this season. Mat Gamel will be 13th and Angel Salome will be 18th.
  • If you didn't stop by over the weekend, you might have missed my post sorting Brewer minor leaguers by position and MLE.
  • The Venezuelan Winter League opened play on Friday, and while MLB.com's stats page is still displaying last year's stats and the scoreboards also don't appear to work, I do have some box scores from yesterday. Adam Heether went 2-for-4 with a double and a home run in Caracas' 8-6 win over Aragua, and Hernan Iribarren batted leadoff and went 1-for-5 with a run scored in Lara's 7-5 loss to Magallanes. Iribarren also hit a home run over the weekend.
The Arizona Fall League opens this week, and I'm hoping there will be better stat tracking systems in place by then.

There's a strange symmetry in lumping a power ranking together with a tournament to determine who sucks the most: Around baseball:

D-Backs: Acquired Tony Abreu from the Dodgers as the PTBNL in the Jon Garland trade, and designated pitcher Bobby Korecky for assignment.
Marlins: Released pitchers Scott Proctor and Dave Davidson.
White Sox: Outfielder Dewayne Wise declined an outright assignment to AAA and is now a free agent.

A quick side note on the Abreu deal mentioned above: The Dodgers and D-Backs have had an agreement regarding Abreu for some time now, but the deal had to wait until this weekend because of a grievance Abreu had filed against the Dodgers regarding some service time lost while on the DL in 2007. If/when the Brewers decide to deal J.J. Hardy this offseason, they could run into a similar problem.

Apparently all managerial searches this offseason must include at least one bad candidate. Last week I mentioned that Ned Yost was being reported as a candidate in both Cleveland and Houston, and this week we have news that Bob Brenly might be a candidate in Washington.

Speaking of Houston, they're once again going to use an open interview process to select their next manager. This seems like a great PR move and I don't know why more teams don't do it this way.

Thanks to Beyond the Box Score for directing my attention to both of the following links:
  • The Biz of Baseball has an in-depth look at the financial windfall involved in making the playoffs, both short and long term.
  • 3-D Baseball has an exhaustive look at FIP, and its uses and misuses.
The Twins and Cardinals have both been sent home from the postseason, but at least we still know they have a great personality.

On this day in 1982, Paul Molitor set a new World Series record by picking up five hits in Game 1 as the Brewers beat the Cardinals 10-0.

Happy birthday today to Casey McGehee, who turns 27, Jose Valentin, who turns 40, and Garth Iorg, the roving instructor who briefly served as the third base coach of the 2008 Brewers, who turns 55.

Oh, and maybe it's worked in the past, but when you're trying to fend off elimination, starting off the day with 12 strips of bacon and a Red Bull seems like a bad idea.

Drink up.

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The Marlins released Scott Proctor?

See, I knew playing him was a Gamble. :P

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Oct 12, 2009 9:28 AM CDT reply actions  

Welcome to Monday :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Oct 12, 2009 9:34 AM CDT up reply actions  

and Jim is on the board

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Oct 12, 2009 1:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

Say

When will SBNation finally give us our 80th win?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Oct 12, 2009 9:34 AM CDT reply actions  

I don't know that Tony Abreu's situation is comparable to Hardy's.

From what I’ve read, it seems that Abreu’s beef was that the team optioned him to the minors in 2007 when he was sidelined with an abdominal injury. He says he should’ve been placed on the DL, and filed the grievance to recover the service time he lost while in the minors.

by Rubie Q on Oct 12, 2009 9:49 AM CDT reply actions  

Can teams even do that?

I thought players flat out couldn’t be moved to the minors while injured for that exact reason. I wonder if there’s a gray area in the rules or if the team found some esoteric loophole.

by ecocd on Oct 12, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

No, you can't send an injured player to the minors ...

which was the reason Abreu filed the grievance. I assume the Dodgers were contending he wasn’t hurt when they sent him down.

From my (rudimentary) understanding of the CBA, there’s no comparable: “You can’t send a guy to the minors because he’s having a down season and you’re out of the running for the post-season and you want to increase his trade value by pausing his service time” provision.

by Rubie Q on Oct 12, 2009 10:02 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I thought the DBacks weren't aware of the situation when the trade was made

I think any team will be well aware of JJ’s situation going into a trade.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Oct 12, 2009 9:53 AM CDT up reply actions  

Argh

I couldn’t spell Catalanatto right, Bourgouis (Spl?), Narvason and I kept calling Axford Axman. Damn you TLC!

by SgtClueLs on Oct 12, 2009 10:24 AM CDT up reply actions  

Spent too much time trying to spell Cat's name

Only 39, ugh. But I’m gonna give myself a 40 because I ran out of time before I figured out how to spell Catolanatto (sp?). I didn’t realize how many pitchers they used this year.

"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC

by BrewHaHeather on Oct 12, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions  

TGJ didn't play at the ML level?

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Oct 12, 2009 11:31 AM CDT up reply actions  

Nope.

He got optioned to AAA, any team could’ve claimed him, nobody did, he went to Nashville and then got dealt to the Pads a few weeks later.

by Rubie Q on Oct 12, 2009 11:45 AM CDT up reply actions  

Got it with 4:36 to spare.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Oct 12, 2009 12:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

43/45

I forgot two of the pitchers. One of them is understandable, but the other? Ugh.

by morineko on Oct 12, 2009 12:38 PM CDT up reply actions  

I missed

Colome, Dillard, Patterson.

And, really, those three shouldn’t count. Neither should Riske.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 12, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

oops

! someone edit that!

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 12, 2009 12:47 PM CDT up reply actions  

Brenly managing in Washington? Sounds good to me.

At least then he won’t be broadcasting his irrational Brewers hatred coast-to-coast.

by Yar Nivek on Oct 12, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions  

I wonder

What the odds are that Carl Pavano pitched himself into a contract offer from the Brewers yesterday.

Cant teach an old dog new tricks….

by backtocali on Oct 12, 2009 10:45 AM CDT reply actions  

It depends on if the Twins want him more

Then again, Slowey and Perkins are supposed to be back next year.

by morineko on Oct 12, 2009 12:03 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nothing like a bidding war

For an oft injured, 5+ ERA, and then eventual overpay, to drum up enthusiasm for the 2010 season.

by backtocali on Oct 12, 2009 12:25 PM CDT up reply actions  

Even if WE ALL don't know that

at least The Mustache knows that

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 12, 2009 12:46 PM CDT up reply actions  

The guy is a train wreck

regardless of one years ERA

5+ ERA, no matter what the peripherals is a bad season no matter how you cut it. Add to it the fact he has only pitched one full season in the last 5. This guy has DM “savior” written all over him.

by backtocali on Oct 12, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

no way

If Doug Davis is available, he’s the guy that will get the target by DM, not Pavano.

I think even The Mustache must scorn a guy who hits the DL with a bruised ass.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 12, 2009 12:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

Maybe

they can pick up Chris Duncan, lure his pops to be pitching coach, and then sign Todd Wellemeyer to be the next “savior”

Cringing every time I hear about Davis coming back here.

by backtocali on Oct 12, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

I cringe too

But we all know that is the kind of move Dougie Boy will make. That’s what really frustrates me. I hope I’m wrong this season…but I fear I won’t be.

I had forgotten all about Wellemeyer. We may as well sign Ankiel to play CF and sign Pineiro too after we pick up Loopers option. That would be sweet.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 12, 2009 1:02 PM CDT up reply actions  

But Mulder NRI with Peterson as coach I could handle

I’d also be OK with a gamble on Erik Bedard. As long as it isn’t for too much money.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 12, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

This is where you are wrong

I’ll give you the durability argument but:

5+ ERA, no matter what the peripherals is a bad season no matter how you cut it.

Nope.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Oct 12, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions  

Prove me wrong

Youll probably use Pavano and Nolasco to back your claim up, maybe even Livan Hernandez or Mike Pelfrey…

Problem is that they all have low walk rates, which is nice, but each of them gets hit pretty hard. And then youll talk about babip, which again, even if they drop to league average, they still come out to look like average to bad seasons.

Its like the Claudio Vargas as a starter story as a Brewer, not including all of the walks. He would get hit, hard, and whether it was right at someone or dropping in for hits, he (as these pitchers did as well) were hit hard. And that is going to catch up to you.

Back through history, its the same thing. No matter how you look at it, its a bad season.

by backtocali on Oct 12, 2009 1:42 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ricky Nolasco had one of the 15-20 best seasons from a starter this year by basically any metric except ERA…

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Oct 12, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

I love WAR

But in this case, it is off.

Apart from the high batting average against (and high ERA) he also had a negative WPA, as well as bottom of the league WPA-.

It was a bad year for him, no way worthy of All Star type consideration (with the 4 WAR). BB/K ratio doesnt mean a whole lot if the pitches you make fly all over the field.

by backtocali on Oct 12, 2009 3:35 PM CDT up reply actions  

and as we all know

WPA is a great way to measure the season-long contribution of starting pitchers.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Oct 12, 2009 10:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Short version

Strikeouts and walks are not only the outcomes under a pitcher’s control, they are the best proxy for pitching talent. In general they correspond extremely well with a pitcher’s overall value, judged by the amount of runs they should be expected to give up. I can accept that there are some pitchers who demonstrate an ability to get groundballs and their projection/value should be adjusted accordingly. But overall a pitcher that gives up an amount of walks, strikeouts, and home runs that would predict a low 4 ERA— as Pavano did this year— should be evaluated as a 4ish ERA pitcher, not as a 5 ERA pitcher. This is mostly because ERA is really a team metric, and is vulnerable to variation in defense, luck, park, and just random variation and chance (which could also be known as luck).

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Oct 12, 2009 7:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

My only worries about Pavano are not ERA-related

It’s injuries and expensive contract. That’s all. If Pavano isn’t broken and doesn’t want 8 jillion dollars, he’s worth a look for a team (probably not the Brewers, though.) For one thing, his BB/9 over the last five seasons or so is excellent.

by morineko on Oct 12, 2009 1:04 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh look, a company manipulating bankruptcy laws for a purpose they were not intended for...

… in an effort to maximize profit and benefit the owner.

And all you creditors? Too bad, bitches! Bankruptcy laws are only draconian when it’s an individual declaring bankruptcy! Corporations get fruit baskets, get well soon cards and maybe a high priced prostitute to tide the CEO over!

Personally, I don't give a crap about Brett Favre.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 12, 2009 6:49 PM CDT up reply actions  

They are SIGNIFICANTLY stricter on corporations now than they were in the 70s

if the CEO doesn’t even get blow with his hooker.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 12, 2009 7:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

To be fair

They’re using the bankruptcy laws for an unintended purpose, because they’re worried about creditors trying to sure the Cubs organization for debts the Tribune Co. has accumulated. Sure, the Cubs are a part of the conglomerate, but no one would say that having ink suppliers sue the Cubs for debts incurred by a newspaper entity makes any sense whatsoever.

The laws are outdated when it comes to corporate liability and when it comes to bankruptcy protection. These megacorporations that keep their entities nearly wholly separate (like the Tribune Company) are much more common now than even 20 years ago. Each party is abusing the system to get an end result that agrees with the spirit of the original law.

by ecocd on Oct 12, 2009 9:44 PM CDT up reply actions  

Something to think about

As was noted in the offfseason outlook for the Blue Jays today at MLB Trade Rumors, the departure of Scutaro makes Toronto an attractive target for a Hardy trade.

Does anyone think that a package centered on Hardy/Gamel (obviously there would be more involved) would be enough to land Halladay? He’s obviously going to be much cheaper then he was when Boston’s huge offer was turned down, and the transfer of Halladay out of the American League and of Gamel to a team that I don’t think has longterm solutions at 3B or DH makes logistical sense, at least.

If Gamel really is on the trading block this winter, I’d assume it would be for that type of big acquisition.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Oct 12, 2009 12:49 PM CDT reply actions  

Hmmmm

I don’t know if I can even pull off a trade like that in MLB 09 the Show….

"At least we still have math on our side" - Ned Yost

WWW.FIREHANKMACE.BLOGSPOT.COM

by Prentice on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 PM CDT up reply actions  

For sure you could.

Trading any A potential player can net you just about anything. You could probably just do Gamel for Halladay in that game.

In real life though, I’m guessing the brewers would have to throw in at least two more of our top prospects.

by NoahJ on Oct 12, 2009 12:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

that's such a great game btw...

my roommate took the brewers, and I took the Nats. Both of the teams were the original teams, and we limited the moves…and just as a heads up. The Nats really are bad…

"At least we still have math on our side" - Ned Yost

WWW.FIREHANKMACE.BLOGSPOT.COM

by Prentice on Oct 12, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions  

Not sure about that

But they’d want pitching, for sure. The fact that the trigger wasn’t pulled by Ricciardi before the deadline, particularly on the rumored Red Sox package, doesn’t bode well for trading Halladay this off-season, I think. I would assume the value will be diminished, and a lot of GMs probably got irritated getting the run-around by good ol’ J.P.

All that said, I don’t think the Brewers have the pitching prospects to trade for Halladay. That’s the big problem in all of this ‘trade for an ace’ talk. With few exceptions teams are looking for 3+ good pitching prospects for ace level pitching. I’d prefer not to hear comparisons to the Sabathia trade, as that was for 3.5 months of service.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 12, 2009 1:00 PM CDT up reply actions  

Bill Hall, Suppan, and Kendall for Greinke I remember pulling

In MLB 2K5 you could send Chad Moeller to the Astros for Andy Pettite, then Pettite for Roy Halladay, then Halladay for Santana. And you could trade Santana for any player in the entire game.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Oct 12, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions  

I have to think that, in any potential trade for Halladay...

The Jays are going to be looking for at least one young arm. We can’t offer that.

by Rubie Q on Oct 12, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

If we resign Sheets

We can trade them one of Sheets’ kids. They’re left-handed too boot.

by drezdn on Oct 12, 2009 2:43 PM CDT up reply actions  

I dont think so

Because if last years offers that went back and forth with Philly were an indication, the Jays want pitching in return for Halladay. And the Brewers dont have any to offer.

by backtocali on Oct 12, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions  

WTF?

This seems strange to me: if #Phillies and #Rockies go to Game 5, TBS will change broadcasters to Stockton/Brenly from Anderson/Simpson

http://twitter.com/ed_price/statuses/4815586236

by Mykenk on Oct 12, 2009 3:16 PM CDT reply actions  

Is Greg Maddux available as a pitching coach?

I’m just spitballing here, but I would think just putting in a phone call would be worth it.

Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take ten paces back.

The coolest motherfunker on the planet.

by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 12, 2009 3:24 PM CDT reply actions  

They could start the phone call with:

“Hi. Wanna help us screw with Mike’s head?”

Personally, I don't give a crap about Brett Favre.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 12, 2009 6:57 PM CDT up reply actions  

In things that'd be fantastic:

Ned Yost interviewing for Astro’s job.

by Mykenk on Oct 12, 2009 4:02 PM CDT reply actions  

If, somehow, we could get Brenly managing the Cardinals ...

Oh, would that be a glorious division: Dusty in Cincy, the ‘Stros getting Yosted, whoever is in charge in Pittsburgh … and Sweet Lou has to be just about ready to take a powder, doesn’t he?

by Rubie Q on Oct 12, 2009 4:06 PM CDT up reply actions  

The breast-groper lives in Bountiful, Utah?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Oct 12, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions  

Ah

yeah that’s idiocy. But the article itself isn’t idiotic, just the guy in it. So, while that guy getting arrested is totally dumb, the reporting of it is good. By contrast, the suggestions and writing in Tom Oates’ article are both bad. So, I designate the Oates article as the worst.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 12, 2009 5:20 PM CDT up reply actions  

Wow

Tom Oates has never been a good analyst in my opinion, but that’s utter garbage. Its like…everything the Brewers SHOULDN’T do. He references ‘small market economics’…yet seems to ignore them by saying the team needs to re-sign Lopez, Cameron, and Kendall, and he implies the Brewers pick up Looper’s option.

Holy cow, what an idiot. And I haven’t even read the other article yet.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 12, 2009 5:18 PM CDT up reply actions  

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