SI's John Heyman: Prince Fielder doesn't make top 10 for NL MVP Ballot
Just remembered why I don't go to si.com for analysis.
"...the 'most valuable'' part of the equation is weighed heavily here, as I don't believe players on also-ran teams should win the award."
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_heyman/10/13/awards.ballot/index.html?eref=sihp#ixzz0Tr97UbOa
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NL MVP
1. Albert Pujols, Cardinals: Near-Triple Crown winner had it locked up by June.
2. Troy Tulowitzki, Rockies: Spectacular talent could have won Comeback Player. Playoff failures don't count.
3. Ryan Howard, Phillies: May actually be underrated.
4. Andre Ethier, Dodgers: Six walk-off hits led league.
5. Hanley Ramirez, Marlins: Big-time talent earned wrath of teammate Dan Uggla for not playing through pain.
6. Matt Kemp, Dodgers: Starting to become the superstar that folks predicted he'd be.
7. Chris Carpenter, Cardinals: Nearly untouchable when healthy.
8. Adam Wainwright, Cardinals: League's leading winner starting to get appreciation he deserves.
9. Chase Utley, Phillies: Perfect 23 for 23 in steals to go with everything else. Teammate Jayson Werth also a consideration.
10. Matt Holliday, Cardinals: As soon as he got to St. Louis, the Cards took off.
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How bout we change it to
“Most Outstanding Player”
It is what it is.
by coolig on Oct 13, 2009 5:15 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
That's what irritates me...
It seems to me that the most outstanding player would ALWAYS have the most value. But the vanguard in the media insist on reinventing it.
Steve
http://nohuddleoffense.blogspot.com
by stigmo on Oct 13, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If some nobody told him 4 of the top 10 most valuable players were on one team
The worst playoff team (by record), no less, what would he say?
You know me Al.
by TheJay on Oct 13, 2009 5:30 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, wouldn't that detract from their value.
Seeing as if you remove one of them, you still have 3 fantastic players to pick up the slack?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Oct 13, 2009 6:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well at least the Marlins made the playoffs
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 13, 2009 5:46 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh wait they didn't so that's an extremely idiotic way to vote for MVP
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 13, 2009 5:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And no Giants?
If you’re using Heyman’s invented “most valuable on a near playoff contender” standard, how does Sandoval get left off the ballot?
by Rubie Q on Oct 13, 2009 5:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
What does this even mean
“…the ‘most valuable’’ part of the equation is weighed heavily here, as I don’t believe players on also-ran teams should win the award.”
This means nothing. He could say the part about “I don’t believe players on also-ran teams should win the award,” and thoug I would disagree, it would still make sense. I was never aware that some people think players only have a value if the team makes the playoffs. Shouldn’t every player have a value that is independent of how good their team happens to be?
Also, Ryan Howard is extremely overrated and I feel honestly sick every time I read praise for him, much less when some idiot sportswriter that everyone thinks has credibility says he’s underrated. I wouldn’t insult Prince Fielder by comparing the two of them.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 13, 2009 5:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I would love to see someone try to argue that Howard should be ahead of Utley on an MVP ballot
(Note: This is a trap if you try to argue it I will crush you with facts).
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 13, 2009 5:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'll work on it.
I’m also gonna get crackin’ on the “Ethier ahead of Utley” argument.
by Rubie Q on Oct 13, 2009 5:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
those 6 walk off hits are HUGE
Ok maybe not but alot of the numbers are actually quite similar. The places where Utley has an noticalble edge is in
OBP .397 to .361
Steals 23 to 4
and GIDP 5 to 19
They have the exactly same slugging % and HRs. Either does have the edge in doubles 42 to 28. The rest of the stats seem very close.
I am not sure how much park factors help Utley over Ethier but IF they played the same position I would image the workout as having close to similar value.
Obviously playing 2nd base (and well) makes Utley the more valuable player.
by Saltire on Oct 14, 2009 5:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was about to write the same thing.
One (“I don’t believe players on also-ran teams should win the award”) does not follow from the other (“the ‘most valuable’ part of the equation is weighed heavily here”).
by Rubie Q on Oct 13, 2009 5:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess what he's saying is...
the player part of MVP is irrelevant. he lost interest after the first two words.
by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 13, 2009 7:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
His Cy Young winner breakdowns are even better
Remember, this is one of the top baseball writers for the nationally reputable sports magazine Sports Illustrated. Where the common fan turns for insight and analysis of baseball’s top pitchers. So what does he say about each?
1. Carpenter, Cardinals: ERA and winning percentage titles normally a winning combo for this award.
2. Wainwright, Cardinals: The league’s top winner is one tough guy.
3. Tim Lincecum, Giants: Tiny Tim a threat to throw a no-hitter every time out.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 13, 2009 5:57 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
And he called the worst pitcher the "Cy Old"
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 13, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's funny
i don’t care who you are :P
by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 13, 2009 7:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno, Posnanski's columns are at least entertaining
but he was a good writer before SI hired him. Heyman…aiaiaiai.
(SI’s strength—its long-form articles—has declined over the past decade.)
by morineko on Oct 13, 2009 6:04 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
They're very lucky they've still got the the swimsuit edition.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Oct 13, 2009 6:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
They’re reputation from that specific aspect of their business, alone is keeping them among the elite.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Oct 13, 2009 11:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. But that wasn't my point. Every aspect of SI is easily replaceable. Including the swimsuit edition.
by Mykenk on Oct 14, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The swimsuit edition has become the pinnacle of modelling.
I don’t think it’s very easily replaceable. My point was just that SI probably wouldn’t still be where they are today without that particular edition.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Oct 14, 2009 12:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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