What will Doug Melvin do? (Interactive!)
I was thinking about our good buddy Braden Looper and the 2010 Brewers in general. Even though it would cost us $1 million to un-invite him back for 2010 (the mutual option is not a free option, thanks Doug), I think it's safe to say that most people around these parts would prefer to be Looper-free next season. Although that might seem obvious to us, given the lack of feasible options on the free agent market, I think Doug Melvin is seriously toying with bringing him back.
This is where you come in. Doug has been at the helm for the past seven years, and by now, I think I have a fix (sort of) on how he thinks. Putting aside what you think he should do, what do you think he'll actually do this offseason to "improve" the 2010 Brewers? Looper is a good starting point, but there are a lot of decisions he'll have to make: Weeks, Lopez, Cameron, Hardy, McGehee, not to mention the search for pitching and the future of our interim pitching coach.
So have at it. Give Doug a vacation this offseason but telling him what he's going to do before he does it.
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The beginning of the end
Although I hate paying for people to NOT be on the team, bringing Looper back would mean having two batting-practice ex-Cardinals in the #4 and #5 spot, each with an ERA over 5 from 2009. (Appropriately, the first syllable of their last names kind of rhymes with “oops.” I’m thinking of calling them both Oops from now on.) I haven’t really been on the Fire Doug Melvin bandwagon that much yet, but having those two anchor (not in the good way) the rotation in 2010 might just get him fired.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
My list of do not bring back is a long one
do not resign Cameron(bet you did not see that one coming) Looper Kendall
Try to move Hardy and maybe even Parra I think both need to be moved on.
See what you could get for Prince but also talk to the Prince Of Darkness and see if a long term deal can be worked out with Prince.
try and figure out a way to keep Lopez and find a position for him to play maybe in Centerfield I believe Lopez has played some outfield and Upton in Tampa made the move from 2nd to Center yes he is younger but I do not want to lose Lopez as out lead off man.
Oh and I would get rid of Macha I have no idea who I would replace him with yet. But Macha must go.
the one major problem is the lack of FA pitching out there that is why deal trading Hardy is going to have to be a work of art by the Mustache that is his best option to get some pitching
Oh and speaking of pitching I would let Weathers go did not really like what I saw from him.
And just for fun I would at least try and see what it would cost us to get Dave Duncan to come to Milwaukee and be our pitching coach I know that is a long shot since he is on the short list to replace Bobbie Cox in Atlanta.
Here is my opening day 2010 line up and batting order
C Lopez
2nd Weeks
LF Braun
1st Prince
3rd McGhee
R Hart
C Rivera
P pitchers spot
SS Escobar
Starting rotation is Yo and the Albatross Suppan(last year of his deal huzzah) Bush and ?? and ???
Try and bring Hoffman back for one year
that is my hopes for this offseason
Moving on ready look forward not backwards The 2009 season is over it never happen as far as I am concerned so lets boldly look forward to the 2010 season
Dude
This is, like, the exact opposite of the challenge of this post. Not that your ideas aren’t good ones - they are. But do you really think Doug Melvin will make all these moves?
Sit back, close your eyes, and use the force to permeate Doug Melvin’s consciousness. What is Doug Melvin thinking? For example, although I don’t know it’s a good idea, I’m all but sure DM offers Cameron arbitration. What else?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
sorry its early
and I am trying to get used to doing real posts again not just bitching about Cammy to bug KL ;)
My bad
Moving on ready look forward not backwards The 2009 season is over it never happen as far as I am concerned so lets boldly look forward to the 2010 season
You know
we should offer Cameron a long-term deal.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Oct 4, 2009 9:47 AM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
They are going to do what they are going to do
out of my hands. I guess it would depend on what they offer him if he is making a lot less than the 10 million he was making I might not have such a problem with him But I think they can go in another direction.
I am not to enthused about 2010 I think 2011 is the more important year a lot of money will be freed up with Hall Suppan and maybe even Prince’s salaries gone
Moving on ready look forward not backwards The 2009 season is over it never happen as far as I am concerned so lets boldly look forward to the 2010 season
Looper will be back...
Here’s how it will go down…. make a bid on some big name all star right away. Lose to , he will publicly cry foul about market size determines the good clubs. Then do lipservice to internal options but already know he’ll extend looper.
Pick up Loopers options. He will then extend Looper and use the following two lines.
14 Game Winner. He’s a gamer and know how to win.
He was injured last year with a bum knee, we expect him to improve.
I agree
except for the gamer part. I don’t think anyone thinks Oops is a gamer. Giving up gopher balls is not gritty.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
It is a mutual option
and he might well opt out. I’m pretty sure he’s tradable on that deal, too. You won’t get anything for him but you could give the deal away and save $1 mil
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Players already on the team
Looper’s option will be picked up complete with quotes about him being hurt all season and ready to go next spring. Lopez will be offered arbitration but otherwise allowed to leave. Cameron will be offered arbitration and a deal for next season. Weathers’ option will be declined but an attempt will be made to bring him back at a cheaper salary. Counsell and Hoffman will be offered one year deals. Claudio Vargas will look to sign elsewhere.
Kendall will be brought back on a cheap deal because he’s a veteran who knows how to handle a pitching staff (handle it right to the bottom of the league in pitching!). Rivera will not be offered arbitration and, as such, will be allowed to leave. He’ll be replaced by one of the cheap career backups floating around the hot stove. Hardy will be traded, as will Angel Salome. One of Mat Gamel or Casey McGehee will also be traded and, it would frustrate me, but it will probably be Gamel. The trade(s) will bring back pitchers who aren’t exactly thrilling. Weeks will be inked in as the starting second baseman.
Burns and Dillard will also be wished farewell. Iribarren will make it to spring training and be waived because he’s out of options. He’ll probably clear but who knows. If there is a rotation crunch next spring, Dave Bush may be the odd man out. He started 2007 and 2008 (sent to minors!) badly, was awful last season and will be the cheapest guy not named Gallardo or Parra. So, bulldog or not, he could be cut at the end of spring training a la Vargas.
You know me Al.
Do you think Counsell can play as many games as he did this year?
I wonder how much of a toll this year took on him not that he did not put up decent numbers. I would not mind them bringing him back for veteran bench grit
Moving on ready look forward not backwards The 2009 season is over it never happen as far as I am concerned so lets boldly look forward to the 2010 season
I doubt he would put up his 2009 numbers again playing that often
Actually, I doubt he puts up this year’s numbers again either way. But I don’t think the team wants him starting that many games again.
You know me Al.
Here's what I think he'll do:
Keep Macha.
Keep Looper.
Keep Kendall.
Sign Doug Davis.
Keep Gerut and start him in CF.
Let Cameron walk.
Let Lopez walk.
Deal Hardy for for a couple of relievers, or perhaps one reliever an a AAA depth starter.
Sign Hoffman.
The opening day rotation next year will be Gallardo, Davis, Suppan, Parra, Looper. Bush will either start the year in long relief or be sent down. Gamel will open at AAA. Macha’s opening day lineup will be:
Weeks 2nd
Escobar SS
Braun LF
Fielder 1st
McGehee 3b
Gerut CF
Hart RF
Kendall C
Gallardo P
I’m pretty sure Counsell will be on the bench, but other than that I’m not sure. I don’t think they’ll deal Gamel, though it won’t be for lack of trying. In the end I don’t think Melvin will be happy with what he’s offered in return and he’ll opt to pursue Davis instead. There will be plenty of discussion about how they almost signed or traded for a big name, but it will never be clear who that was, and Melvin will give numerous interviews about: 1) How much he likes this team; 2) How much confidence he has in Macha; and 3) How there just weren’t any opportunities to make a bigger splash in the offseason.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2009 10:01 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Think you nailed it
The only thing I’d disagree with is Kendall — I think Melvin will pick up a catcher somewhere, either a FA or as part of the Hardy trade. The organization gives Kendall a lot of praise but I honestly don’t think Doug still sees him as a viable option next year. Maybe that is just wishful thinking.
My fear is that because he has stated that he is going to be aggressive in going after starting pitching Doug will overpay for a marginal guy like Davis because he will worry about the reaction if he doesn’t make any sort of FA move for pitching.
Spot on, in my opinion
I certainly hope he decides to let Kendall walk, but he needs a ‘gritty veteran presence’, particularly with Cameron leaving. I think its possible Gamel will come up mid-season again to platoon with Casey McGehee when he regresses in 2010.
I just KNOW Melvin will sign Doug Davis again, and that makes me a little queasy. I’d love for Melvin to put together a package and try to get (yes, I know, beating the horse) Michael Bowden, but I have more faith that I’ll make the team out of ST than that happening.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2009 1:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Anyone else get the feeling...
… that there will be no announcement on Macha and then, around December or so, Melvin will mention casually in an interview that he gave him a 2 year extension?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2009 10:23 AM CDT reply actions
Macha extended
Macha back 2010 with a 2011 option. All others back except Bosio and Klyes. Not sure why Kyles. But my guess they are all fall guys.
by SgtClueLs on Oct 4, 2009 10:52 AM CDT via mobile reply actions
Probably they just want to give Macha a chance to bring in his own guys.
Gamel is probably hoping to be traded now…
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2009 1:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Looper and the HRs
The thing about Looper and his 39 home runs is if it were just a matter of him ‘missing his spots’ or ‘getting the ball up’ or ‘he sucks’ or whatever, you would expect other numbers to have gone up as drastically as his HR number.
That is, you’d think that in addition to 50% more HRs than in previous years, he’d have given up lots more doubles when if fact he’s given up fewer doubles. His BAA is up but only marginally, from .279 to .289, and his line drive % is up to 21% from 20% and 19% the last two years.
It is as if there were ten balls that in other years would have been doubles or ‘warning track’ outs, but this year turned into HRs. Assume that six or eight or ten of those HRs turn into long outs, and his BAA and LD% drop right back down to where they’ve been the last two years. And something like a full run drops off his ERA.
I don’t know if that makes this a ‘keep Looper’ argument or not; I’m very much on the fence. But if I were Melvin, I wouldn’t be making my decision based on 39 HRs and a 5.22 ERA – those look to me to be a statistical aberration. I expect Looper to be back to HRS in the upper 20s and an ERA of 4.50 next year.
I'm not a for keeping Looper, but I agree with your assesment.
Luck played a part in both his HR numbers, and his win total.
Looper will be back
I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again: 14 wins is the most on the ballclub!
Plus, now The Mustache has a convenient excuse in Looper’s knee issues. He’s already making excuses for Macha and how “difficult” the situation was for him this season.
Please, Mark A., wake up and smell that coffee!
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
To play devil's advocate
this was a pretty tough situation for Macha. The pitching was just terrible, and that’s not his fault. My only real beef with Macha was the way he handled the young guys. There’s no excuse for Gamel playing a little as he did, imo.
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 4, 2009 11:08 AM CDT up reply actions
I agree that it was a tough situation for Macha to try to manage his way out of.
Which means, of course, that Melvin has done a shitty job of assembling a competitive pitching staff over the last few years. So Melvin utilizes his own failure to defend Macha.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2009 1:21 PM CDT up reply actions
+1
my post below basically says the same thing in about 500 more words. You’re much more succinct than I.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2009 1:23 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, to devil's advocate your devil's advocate
The writing on the wall about Ken Macha when he got hired was this: he was a great puppet for GM Billy Beane in Oakland. The Mustache encouraged him to hire Randolph (no issues with him), Sveum (him either), Castro (so…bad pitching staff and rookie pitching coach? Hmmm), and stay within the organization for bullpen coach (although ‘pen was not great mostly due to SP). So, he did what Melvin told him to do. In my eyes, Macha doesn’t use his head much, but Melvin likes to have a puppet in the dugout. It seems like the only thing he was given latitude on (my opinion, again) was playing time. He plays matchups to a fault, sits young guys too much, and doesn’t pitch guys for 10 days at a time (Huston Street also had a big beef with how Macha ran his ‘pen in Oakland, so this isn’t anything new). In addition, the A’s players had a problem with Macha. So do the Brewers players, apparently.
So, to my eyes, the things that Macha had control over, he did poorly.
And, if there was a tough situation, it was created by Melvin. He picked the guy he thought would run the team how he wanted it to be run on a game-by-game basis. It ended up backfiring big-time because The Mustache simply cannot assess pitching talent (see also: farm system; his assessment of the SP staff as being ‘average’ going into the season). Now he’s got a convenient scapegoat in Macha, but he’s talking about how it wasn’t his fault because the pitching was terrible. Funny how he’s not taking any of that blame. Everyone knew what the pitching staff was going to do this season. Macha simply didn’t manage the games well, in my eyes.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2009 1:22 PM CDT up reply actions
Twice, in fact.
The first time he changed his mind and brought him back, gave him an extension, and then canned him again at the end of the season due to a disconnect between Macha and the players.
Jason Kendall, the A’s catcher at the time, was seen as one of the players who had the biggest problem with Macha
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 5, 2009 5:13 PM CDT up reply actions
He'd be crazy not to
Where else can he win 14 games with a 5.22 ERA?
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 4, 2009 11:18 AM CDT up reply actions
Yeah
Even in a weak market, Looper might be the 8th-10th best pitcher available, and it seems unlikely he’d find $6.5 million for next season. His best bet is to take the one year with the Brewers, hope to have a nice season and cash in afterwards.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
I haven't read many of the other posts...
But I’d let Cameron go, let Gerut play center for cheaper, and Gerut’s a prime candidate for a bounceback year.
I’d also keep Kendall next year, and let him and Salome platoon with each other… Kendall could certainly teach Salome a thing or two, since catching doesn’t seem to come naturally to Angel.
Trade Hardy during the offseason, and move Gamel to RF… trade Hart during midseason so that Gamel can get some RF reps in AAA and learn the position a little better. Keep the IF Counsell/McGehee-Escobar-Weeks-Fielder.
As for pitching, don’t pick up Looper’s option, as you can find an equally good (bad) pitcher for cheaper than $5.5m. Try your hardest to give Suppan away for whatever you can get.
and I thusly dubbed thee: Honorary Joe Morgan of Brew Crew Ball
based on Joe’s iconic “I haven’t seen them play this year . . .”
also “Gerut’s a prime candidate for a bounceback year” seems a bit unfounded. why in the world would you say that? because he was above average in 365 PAs with the Padres last year? i mean, i guess he had a .245 BABIP this year, but there’s really no precedent for him to ‘bounce back’ to. he’s never had a very high LD%, which might partially describe why he’s never even had a league-average BABIP.
"Nothing is working right now with a lot of the guys. We're trying to see pitches and see what we can do. ... I'm not going to sit there and walk, though. I'll eventually find it, and hopefully we'll still be in it." -Corey Hart
This thread
So much more depressing than the “what would you do this offseason about ______?” posts.
My enthusiasm for the hot stove season rapidly declined while browsing these comments.
Listen up people, this is what he SHOULD do:
The Brewers will not make the 2010 playoffs unless they sign or trade for two high quality starting pitchers, If you can get Ben Sheets back then trade for Javier Vasquez, that would work, then the rotation would be: Gallardo, Sheets, Vasquez, Bush or Parra (the other in bullpen), Suppan (only one more year on his contract thank god!)
The bullpen should be:Bush or Parra, Butler, Hoffman, Vargas, Narveson (starter too?), Stetter, Coffey, Axeford
The Outfield: Braun, Hart in CF (yes you’re seeing that right), Gamel in RF (I think it’s too obvious), Gerut and Bourgeois as backups
The Infield: I think he’ll be good but I have to trade Escobar for a SP (Vasquez is what I have here), then yes, I keep Hardy at SS, I don’t think he has much value on the market now plus I think he’ll rebound and have a much better season next year, McGehee at 3B, Weeks 2B, Fielder 1B, Counsell and Ibarren as backups, then at Catcher replace Kendall with a FA please!
You can do all this with a payroll similar to this years and have a much more balanced team while utilizing much of the talent you have, you’ll also save money and get draft picks in return for letting go of Cameron, Lopez, Kendall.
Lineup:
Weeks 2B
Hardy SS
Braun LF
Fielder 1B
Mcgehee 3B
Gamel RF
Hart CF
Free Agent C
P
This would win the division.
Unfortunately defense contributes to wins as well.
And well I am not well versed on the numbers or anything, having Hardy as the only good defensive player on the field probably won’t bode well for that particular part of the game.
doug melvin will
stroke his mustache in a thoughtful manner, and then package up hardy and gamel for some hoo hum SP. probably move bush to the bullpen. hopefully retain narveson, deal mcclung, and be on the lookout for gritty former rangers to put on the bench.
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin
What will DM do....
1.) Retain Macha?
What DM will do — DM hates “lame duck managers” — so Macha will get some sort of extension/option for 2011. So Macha is not a “lame duck”.
What DM should do — Fire Macha, and tender his own resignation.
2.) Pick up option on Looper.
What DM will do — Looper won twice as many games as he lost, so DM will declare Looper to be a valuable part of 2010, and pick up the option.
What DM should do — Declare that wins are a stupid stat to judge a pitcher on, refuse Looper’s option, and then tender his own resignation.
3.) JJ Hardy —
What DM will do — I think DM, had his mind made up Hardy was not going to be a part of the 2010 when he sent JJ down to AAA. JJ will be traded to the highest bidder, even though the Brewers have little leverage, and we will get a crappy SP for JJ.
What DM should do — Look to see if Escobar can net us a better return, and then tender his resignation, allowing his replacement to handle the negotiations.
4.) Mike Cameron —
What DM will do — I think DM acquired Gerut in the hopes that he could replace Cameron, that said, I also think DM doesn’t want to let Cameron go and let the fans think we are giving up on 2010, I think DM signs Cam to a contract.
What DM should do – I do not see the point in the Brewers retaining Cameron with a staff of Looper/Parra/Bush/Suppan, I think the smart thing to do if you are DM, is let Cameron walk w/o offering Arby’s and take your lumps in 2010.. and then of course tender your resignation.
5.) Lopez - If Weeks is still hurt and shaky for 2010 I think DM will offer Lopez Arby’s with the hope Lopez accepts. If Weeks is 100% healthy I think DM still offers Lopez Arbys, and Lopez will accept, creating a zim-zam for Macha.
What DM will do -
What DM should do — If Weeks is healthy, do not offer Lopez Arby’s, if Weeks is not ready for 2010, offer Lopez Arby’s and then tender your resignation, so DM and Gord Ash can finally produce their 2 man “tribute to Tor Johnson”, in Canada’s finest theaters.

6.) Kendall - Like that Jim Belushi sitcom, I think Kendall will keep coming back and back and back and back for no apparent sensible reason.
What DM will do -
What DM should do — Issue a restraining order against Kendall preventing him from coming within 150 ft of Miller Park Home Plate in a Brewer uniform. Then DM should photoshop some pictures of him and Gord Ash pounding Budweiser at Busch stadium.
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by Fatter than Joey on Oct 5, 2009 9:43 AM CDT reply actions 2 recs
Lopez
I don’t think DM will know for sure if Weeks will be 100% before he needs to make a decision on Lopez.
to who?
Lopez has burned a lot of bridges, and there are teams that won’t need his services… I don’t think the Felipe Lopez market is a good one.
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by Fatter than Joey on Oct 5, 2009 1:47 PM CDT up reply actions
I still think there are many teams out there who would be interested
in a .300 switch-hitting second baseman with average defense.
If DM is going to make an attempt to improve the rotation next year...
someone will need to go. Gallardo and Suppan have two spots (unless they can somehow miraculously trade Suppan) nailed down.
What will Melvin do?
The same thing he does every night. Try to take over the world.
by Getting Yosted on Oct 5, 2009 2:40 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
1) DM will pick up Looper’s option.
2) DM will put in a second-tier offer for John Lackey.
3) DM will wait for Lackey to accept an offer with the Mets or Angels.
4) DM will overpay for Jarrod Washburn (3 years/$25-30MM)
5) DM will package Hardy, Parra, and others for an Atlanta Braves pitcher.
- Gerut will Start in Center, I have no idea what he will do with the Catcher spot.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Hopefully
He’ll enter this competition http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091006/ap_on_fe_st/us_top_mustache

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