Macha coming back for 2010

All coaches will be coming back next year except Chris Bosio and Stan Kyles.

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bummer

what is the first thing they teach you in the Military

Do not reinforce failure. Be nice if Melvin would learn that lesson

Moving on ready look forward not backwards The 2009 season is over it never happen as far as I am concerned so lets boldly look forward to the 2010 season

by WSB Chris on Oct 4, 2009 10:53 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I don't understand the Stan Kyles move

The bullpen was a pretty bright spot this season, imo

"my goodness"

by BrewHaHeather on Oct 4, 2009 10:56 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Agreed. At least they'll let him interview for it, sounds like.

Ditto for Bosio, not that he did anything. Or could have done anything.

by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2009 11:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I've met Bosio a couple of times.

Great guy. But if they interview him it probably won’t be much more than a courtesy. I suspect Macha already knows who he wants and Bosio will be offered a job in the organization if he wants it.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2009 1:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

porrrrrrr queeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin

by sowingwildoats on Oct 4, 2009 11:55 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs

Well,

besides his handling of ~~the young guys~~ Gamel he wasn’t really that bad. The crappy pitching wasn’t his fault and I felt his handling of the bullpen was ok.

I wouldn’t mind seeing him show some emotions once in a while. He doesn’t have to be Bobby Cox getting thrown out every other game, but I think a well-timed blow-up can be good for a team.

Letting him go would feel like a bit of an overreaction.

It is what it is.

by coolig on Oct 4, 2009 12:50 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

But I think it was increasingly obvious late in the year that the players weren’t that happy with him. That said it’s difficult to imagine a club with Fielder at its core tanking because they don’t like the manager. The stuff with Gamel/Counsell really chapped my ass and I hope that Melvin doesn’t decide to move him based on Macha’s myopia.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2009 1:31 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I couldn't care less if the players like the manager.

It’s not his job to be liked. It’s his job to do everything in his power to help the team win. I would like to see him be a little more personable with the players, from a team chemistry standpoint, but then again, it’s not like this team is lacking any team chemistry.

I agree with you, in that I hope Macha doesn’t push for Melvin to trade Gamel away. I wish he was playing more down the stretch, but I really think Macha was just trying to push Gamel to improve his game. Sometimes a player needs tough love if he’s going to improve.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Oct 4, 2009 3:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

To the extent that the players dislike of the manager carries over onto the field, you should care.

But as I said, I don’t think it has or will carry over with this group of players.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

From what I've heard

The players don’t just dislike the manager, they also strongly disagree with some of his management strategy. That concerns me more.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by KLSnow on Oct 4, 2009 7:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hmm, is it the managers job to get the players to buy into his strategy?

Or is it the players job to adapt to the strategy, because, well, he’s in charge?

or should we just let the players run the team?

by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I guess that's what I meant.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2009 8:42 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

He's like the opposite of Ned

I never had too much of a problem with Ned’s big picture moves— he assigned playing time pretty properly and gave guys fair chances in overall playing time allocation. Ned’s in-game strategy, bullpen management, substitutions— he was awful at that. Macha’s pretty good at it. But I don’t like at all how he’s handled playing time management and he hasn’t managed the players themselves very well, obviously.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Oct 4, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I disagree

He plays matchups to a fault (for example, why not let Gamel start vs. LHP? His minor league splits were actually better, if I recall, against LHP; righty, lefty, righty pitching matchups in use of an already burned up bullpen; zero attempt to utilize any team speed; neglect of bullpen arms).

I’m not sure he deserves to get fired, but I dislike the way he managed some situations. Then again, he was a widely known puppet for Beane, so perhaps this is actually Melvin managing the team.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm pleased with these moves.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Oct 4, 2009 3:07 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I found this comment on the pitching problems fairly enraging:

“We’re part of an industry problem.”

The hell you are. Your starting pitchers were the worst in the league outside of Baltimore. That’s not an industry wide problem. That’s a Brewers problem. If it were an industry-wide problem, you’d be in the middle of the pack.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2009 5:59 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs

I think the "industry problem" is terrible free agent pitchers.

Which is technically an industry problem, because smart teams don’t let their pitchers become free agents.

by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

...or broke teams

See Trevor Hoffman, 2008-09 offseason…or C.C. Sabathia. :)

by morineko on Oct 4, 2009 8:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

What? Don't follow you there.

by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2009 8:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

on pitchers becoming free agents

San Diego could have probably kept Hoffman if the owner hadn’t been going through a divorce, causing the sale of the team. So the Brewers ended up signing a guy who was still good because his previous team couldn’t hold onto him.

by morineko on Oct 4, 2009 8:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

ah, gotcha.

by Mykenk on Oct 4, 2009 8:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

That's fine, but I don't think that's what he meant.

I think he meant that there just isn’t enough quality pitching out there, and I think that’s crap. You can find quotes from Melvin complaining about the diluted talent pool for pitching that go back a decade. He even used it to defend the A-Rod signing back in Texas. I’m not going to argue that pitching isn’t worse than it used to be (though I think it’s more complicated than that), but I have a problem when Melvin or anyone else tries to use it as an explanation for why the pitching staff they’ve assembled sucks. If the talent pool is less than it once was, it’s that way for everyone, and unless you’re the Yankees and can make FA moves like they did last offseason, you’ve got to find effective starters, usually within your own organization.

I think that’s what Melvin meant. Maybe he didn’t mean it as an excuse and instead was saying that the problem he has will be difficult to fix given the relative difficulty there is in collecting quality starters. But I don’t want him settling his mind into small market resignation or complacency. He gets credit for putting the starting 8 on the field this year and it’s a nice set of players. But he gets blame for not having a competitive pitching staff to pair with that starting 8, and it doesn’t have anything to do with an “industry problem.”

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 4, 2009 9:29 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

you are just an endless source of wisdom

"my goodness"

by BrewHaHeather on Oct 4, 2009 9:38 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

I tend to agree

Melvin’s MO has been assembling teams with great offense and very little pitching. He has, by and large, done the same in Milwaukee.

The thing that’s alarming for me is that small market teams tend to thrive by developing their own pitching (or trading for prospects), getting a few positional players to pan out, and filling the gaps through free agency. It seems to me, however, that no one within the Brewers organization understands how to identify pitching talent. While it is clear The Mustache directed his underlings to target positional players in the draft, only two pitchers have notably panned out (Sheets, Gallardo), one seems to be working pretty well (Stetter) and one can’t seem to put it all together (Parra). Aside from that, the system is relatively devoid of talented pitching.

You generally can’t only hit your way to a Championship.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Oct 4, 2009 9:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs

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