Thursday's Frosty Mug
by KLSnow on Oct 8, 2009 9:10 AM CDT
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Doug Melvin held his post-mortem press conference yesterday, and while this comment in yesterday's Mug has the full list of topics discussed, some jumped out more than others:
- Melvin does not expect to pursue the possibility of trading Ryan Braun or Prince Fielder this offseason, but the team also has yet to make a move to lock up Fielder long term.
- Trevor Hoffman's contract, previously reported as being worth $8 million for 2010, is actually worth $7.5 million, plus a $500k buyout for 2011. That link also has a list of the incentives that would increase the buyout and potential 2011 salary.
- Adam McCalvy also has notes on Jeff Suppan (not guaranteed a spot next season), Ben Sheets (may still be on the radar) and J.J. Hardy (unlikely to return).
Even if Fielder isn't likely to be dealt, he's one of four faces on Amazin' Avenue's Offseason Met Rushmore. The Mets certainly seem like a team that would have interest in Fielder, but I don't think they have enough young pitching, which the Brewers would almost certainly need to get back.
Meanwhile, the Nats might be a fit for J.J. Hardy. FJB has a list of possible trade scenarios that all end with Hardy in DC. John Lannan is one of the players mentioned and if the Nats are offering him, the Brewers should be listening. Lannan just turned 25, has posted nearly 400 innings with an ERA under 4 over the last two seasons, and is under team control for four more years.
Elsewhere on the starting pitching front, Jorge Says No! has a hypothetical deal: Corey Hart to the Braves for Kenshin Kawakami. Kawakami is 34 years old, but has two relatively cheap years remaining on his deal with the Braves and posted a 3.86 ERA in 156.1 innings this season. I'd make that trade.
Chris Bosio's charity golf outing, which I mentioned earlier this week, is in Neenah today and it looks like the weather will cooperate. Leading up to the event, Bosio sat down with Brett Christoperson of the Appleton Post-Crescent to discuss the 2009 season at length.
Do you still have some residual bitterness from the season that was? Then you're the perfect candidate to participate in Brew City Sports' Hendies tournament. I went with chalk in most of the early round matchups, but there might be an upset brewing in the Bando division.
In the minors:
- Matt Hagen of The Hardball Times handed out postseason accolades for the Florida State League yesterday, and named Caleb Gindl the league's top hitting prospect. Gindl's small frame continues to be his biggest challenge, but if he continues to hit people will have to take notice.
- The instructional league season is just about over, with Eric Arnett tweeting that he'll be home in three days. There's not much coverage taking place in Arizona: that's the only news that's come out of instructional league in over a week.
Yes, Ken Macha is returning for 2010, but here's a reminder that it could always be worse: Ned Yost is being mentioned as a candidate for managerial openings in both Houston and Cleveland. I think I speak for a lot of us when I say it'd be great to have him back in the division.
Speaking of managers, Hal McCoy has a great profile of likely NL Manager of the Year Jim Tracy, chronicling his two years in Pittsburgh and sudden resurrection in Colorado.
Happy birthday today to Bob Skube, who had cups of coffee with the Brewers in 1982 and 1983 and turns 52.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you'd like to read about 2002-2003 Beloit Snapper Jon Steitz's dad winning the Nobel Prize.
Drink up.
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And yet, and still:
The JSOnline poll question today:
Are you willing to trade Prince Fielder or Ryan Braun for a quality No. 1 pitcher?
by Rubie Q on Oct 8, 2009 9:21 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Always so short sighted
drives me nuts.
Of course DM cleared up a possible Fielder trade happening this offseason yesterday. And Braun wasnt ever going anywhere with his contract.
But if Fielder were going to be dealt, dealing him for a quality #1 would be one of the most short sighted deals ever. It would just replace Fielders wins with whoever that pitcher may be’s wins. When he gets dealt (and he will be dealt (probably before the end of next year)) its going to have to be for a package of prospects including at least 3 high ceiling pitchers who arent necessarily MLB ready.
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 9:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm reminded of the Mitch Hedberg joke
“Have you ever tried sugar…or PCP?”
The difference between dealing Braun and Fielder is massive, because Fielder is under (relatively expensive) team control for two more seasons and Braun is under relatively cheap team control for six more.
A team could feasibly put together a package in return that would be interesting enough to net Fielder. I can’t imagine anyone having the resources to put together a trade package equal in value to six cheap seasons of an MVP caliber player.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Oct 8, 2009 9:32 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Evan Longoria for Ryan Braun
or Troy Tulowitzki
or Tim Lincecum
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 12:24 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well obviously
But there is a reason a trade like that would never, ever happen.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 8, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Longoria could be under control through 2016 (three year team option)
Tulowitzki is only under team control through 2014, and the final season of that is a $15 million club option. Furthermore, I’m not sure he’s as reliable as Braun.
Lincecum is arb eligible after 2010 and only under team control through 2013, at arbitration salaries that could surpass $20 million near the end.
These are some of the best players, on the best contracts, in baseball, and I don’t think it would make sense to trade Braun for any of them, except maybe Longoria.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Oct 8, 2009 12:41 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
After
His ROY season, I half jokingly suggested to a couple of guys at work that the Brewers should trade Braun to the Rays for Longoria and Jeff Niemann. This was before Longoria’s rookie season.
I never pass up a chance to remind them how crazy they thought this idea was.
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
but you yourself thought it was stupid, so what satisfaction do you get from that reminder?
by Mykenk on Oct 8, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
he half thought it was a good idea
and the other half thought it was a horrible idea, so no matter the outcome he would have been right.
by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 9, 2009 1:57 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
another possibility of those in uniform...
fans in the stands. Someone wearing a Gamel jersey thinks they should trade Braun so that Gamel can shift to left field. Because it worked for the last non-defensive 3rd baseman.
by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 9, 2009 1:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy Cats!
I want that Fire Jim Bowden writer to be the actual Nationals GM! Hardy for Lannan (and possibly low level prospect(s)) AND he would be willing to take Jeff Suppan? Yes, please!!
by NoahJ on Oct 8, 2009 9:31 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I think taking Jeff Suppan was an alternative to trading Lannan.
But even if they’re throwing nothing in, getting four years of Lannan for two of Hardy would be a major win.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Oct 8, 2009 9:33 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lannan's K/9 rate this year was only 3.88.
Is he one of those soft-tossing lefties in the Glendon Rusch mold?
I’m not saying I wouldn’t do Hardy for Lannan. I just have some emotional baggage with that type of pitcher.
by Rubie Q on Oct 8, 2009 9:35 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's the kind of guy
that Kills the Brewers and no one else, it seems.
He has some pretty bad peripherals. He gives up a lot of hits, doesnt really keep the walks down and his FIP is not all that extraordinary.
I wonder why the Nats would go after a SS though. Is Guzman a FA? Lets put it this way: Lannan is simply a replacement for the 09 Hardy as far as wins goes. Sad part is that he would be the 2nd best pitcher on this years team.
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 9:51 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Brewers hit him for 7 runs in 1.2 innings last August.
4.70 and 4.79 FIP the last two years…kind of sad that he would be a big improvement over what the Brewers put out there last year.
by Supertramp on Oct 8, 2009 10:00 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Kind...
8/9/08:
http://www.fangraphs.com/wins.aspx?date=2008-08-10&team=Nationals&dh=0&season=2008
He’s one of those guys that over the past couple of years faces the Brewers and they wind up underperforming. Seems like there are quite a lot of those MLB debut, or never has faced the Brewers, or "soft tosser’ that makes the Brewer bats fall to sleep.
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 10:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They're moving Guzman to second.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Oct 8, 2009 10:14 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoops didn't read down far enough
But still, I thought they had a SS prospect in minors or something?
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 8, 2009 10:49 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I thought I had read the nats want to move Guzman to 2B to make room for a minor league SS
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 8, 2009 10:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, more or less
he certainly throws slowly but as I don’t remember Glendon Rusch, I can’t really make a comparison.
also, derived from observation of too many Nats games, Mr Lannan has a bit of a confidence issue.
by morineko on Oct 8, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Very similar to Glendon, at least in terms of what he throws.
Fastball around 88 mph, a breaking ball that’s between 75-80 mph, and an 80 mph change-up.
by Rubie Q on Oct 8, 2009 10:04 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was planning on coming into this comment thread and saying "Red Alert K/9!"
It’s cool that someone already picked it out.
I wouldn’t do Hardy for Lannan. He’s shown a trend that he can beat his peripherals so far, but I wouldn’t trust it. I’d guess he’d put up a high-4 to low-5 ERA from here on out. We can do better for Hardy.
Lannan has a career 4.6: 3.3 K/BB ratio and 52% groundballs. That is not a very good pitcher. Just remember that ERA is not a very good pitching metric.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 8, 2009 10:44 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Weren't the Nationals really, really bad defensively this year?
With that defense behind him, I’m shocked that Lannan got his ERA under 4.00. Is that just luck?
by Rubie Q on Oct 8, 2009 11:03 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably a combination of things
Maybe the defense performed particularly well behind him, maybe it was a little bit of luck (his strand rate was high and his BABIP was low), and there are a lot of factors that can influence an ERA that are outside of the pitcher’s control.
He’s not a terrible pitcher, I would take him. The problem is, he’s valued in the trade market as a 3.90 ERA guy, when he should be valued as about a 4.7 ERA guy. You’re better off finding a guy that is valued as a 4.7 guy because then you have to pay less for him.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 8, 2009 11:09 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, did you see the question I asked you re: Kevin Slowey last night?
Does the fact that he’s got two screws taking up permanent residence in his right wrist make you reconsider a hypothetical deal with the Twins?
by Rubie Q on Oct 8, 2009 11:20 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually didn't know that that is what he specifically had
I knew there were some injury issues. I guess I don’t know enough about it to judge either way.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 8, 2009 11:29 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hi!
I figured I’d quickly respond to this because I didn’t think you’d see it if I responded so late in an old mug. I am attending UW-Madison. (Also, I forgot you were only a year younger than me so never mind on the Calc suggestion, haha.)
by NoahJ on Oct 8, 2009 1:05 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
See you next year then!
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 8, 2009 3:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You got accepted?!
Awesome!! We can hang out and talk Brewers!
by NoahJ on Oct 8, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
got the letter last Friday.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 8, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats
As an alumnus, I’m always happy to see new Badgers! I wouldn’t trade my college experience at Madison for the world.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 8, 2009 10:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks
Everything I’ve heard is positive. I checked out other schools last summer, but really as backups.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 8, 2009 11:12 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just watch out walking up Bascom by Helen C. White in the winter
Everyone walks reaaaaally slowly, like they’re actually driving in the snow. If you manage it right, you can take a line off the stairs and pass them all.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 8, 2009 11:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I enjoyed my time in madison
more for the community than the school itself. Some classes were really, really good. But a bunch (especially concentrated in the computer sciences department) were utterly crap.
A piece of advice: take at least one “fun” class every year. Not an “easy A class”, because I could never pull off an A in an “easy A class”. Just take a class in an area that interests you, but you don’t have any plans of making a career out of (for me I tended to take superfluous Astronomy courses, but for you that might be English Lit or Veterinary Sciences).
by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 9, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congratulations.
It’s a great place to go to college.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 8, 2009 4:52 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Since I am a big jerk...
I always look for Brewer birthdays that are missed by the Mug… Normally, I just indulge myself and bask in self-vindication, and move on — but I thought today’s omission was a bit more noteworthy….
Happy Birthday to Eddie Kirkpatrick!
1.) Eddie was traded to the Brewers from the Rangers for Gorman Thomas…
2.) Sadly, he was severely injured in a car crash sometime shortly after his playing career ended, and I think has been in a wheel chair since.
Perusing the BBref. Birthday List — I think I may have discovered the best baseball name I had never heard of before today….
Happy birthday to Johnny Lush! who would have turned somewhere around 140 today.
Taking shallowness to new depths -- FtJ's blog
by Fatter than Joey on Oct 8, 2009 10:32 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
He
Probably would have lived a lot past 140 if he wasnt such a drunk.
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 10:41 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm a drunk, and a fan of this man's name.
Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take two paces back.
The coolest motherfunker on the planet.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 8, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
well done
jerk
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Oct 8, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
trades
How about Gamel, Hardy and maybe a pitching prospect for Halladay. Toronto needs IF help and it seems can’t wait to get rid of Doc.
by brewman70 on Oct 8, 2009 10:58 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Roasted
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 8, 2009 10:53 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
They wanted pitching from the Philies
And the Brewers dont have pitching, to deal for Halladay.
And not only pitching, but top of the line prospect type pitching.
Maybe the Brewers could sign Sheets and then include him in a deal for Halladay…
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 11:42 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
JJ for JayZ
.Jodan Zimmerman, that is.
Not that it’s realistic.
by infield fly on Oct 8, 2009 11:50 AM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, let's trade for a guy who's not going to play next year.
Awesome plan!
by Mykenk on Oct 8, 2009 11:53 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tommy John surgery, in fact
He could pitch late next year, but counting on it would not be a good plan.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Oct 8, 2009 12:43 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay then Strasburg...
Kidding
But without a potential front end guy like Zimmerman, and unless the wunderkind makes the rotation, are the nats really sellers on pitching?
by infield fly on Oct 8, 2009 3:44 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather have the real Hova
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The coolest motherfunker on the planet.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 8, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't
he’s got 99 problems
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Oct 8, 2009 2:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And a shitload of money. Payer/owner, baby!
Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take two paces back.
The coolest motherfunker on the planet.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 8, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
*pLayer
Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take two paces back.
The coolest motherfunker on the planet.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 8, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
And
a b…
nevermind
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 8, 2009 10:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’d just leave for the Yankees the first chance he gets.
by drezdn on Oct 8, 2009 7:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is there any possibility that if they offer Cameron arbitration he might accept?
He’s already talked about being willing to take less money to stay, though that may have changed when it became increasingly clear that bringing him back was, uh, not a priority. But if he meant it, and he wanted to force the situation when the Brewers are looking to get a compensation pick or at least drag their feet on spending money in CF while they explore the possibility of adding pitching, wouldn’t the easiest way to do that be to accept arbitration?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 8, 2009 12:27 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Has Cam
ever been on a winner?
He could get a nicer deal from a team other than the Brewers, that is in better shape to make a playoff run next year.
Without a big upgrade, the Brewers look a lot like this years squad. If Cameron wants more money and wants to play for a perennial winner, he wouldnt want to accept arb.
Lets say his asking price is 2 years $8 mil per. The Yankees, Rays, White Sox, Braves, Cubs, or Giants could all afford that.
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not my question.
We all know he could make more money elsewhere and I’m quite certain that more than the teams you listed could afford 8 million per. I also know what incentives there are for him to turn down arbitration.
My question was does anyone think he’s serious enough about wanting to stay to accept arbitration once it’s offered. And before you misinterpret that as wishful thinking or go off on a diatribe about how much Milwaukee sucks, I’m not sitting here hoping it happens. I’m just wondering if anyone thinks it’s a possibility.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 8, 2009 12:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, I think it's possible he'd accept
If his options look like 2 years, $18 million on the market or 1 year, roughly $11-12 million in arb from the Brewers, then I think there’s a good chance he’d take it.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Oct 8, 2009 12:45 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you think
The Brewers would be able to afford, or want to pay that?
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
But it’d require some restructuring of the plan. Looper would likely have to be declined, and the opportunity to add any payroll would be gone – all deals would have to be made by revenue-neutral or better trades.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Oct 8, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looper
Based on DM’s comments about adding 2 new pitchers, I’m starting to think Looper’s option will not be picked up.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Oct 8, 2009 1:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
we can always dream
I would still not discount the fact that The Mustache is probably looking at those glorious wins.
Although if he’s being honest about misjudging the pitching, maybe he’ll see the light this year.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 8, 2009 10:59 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably not
so maybe they tell him if he accepts, he’ll probably be traded.
If he really wants to come back, I’d take him at 5 or 6M, anything more and it hurts their ability to improve the team.
It is what it is.
by coolig on Oct 8, 2009 12:56 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Thanks for the pre-emptive, completely unneccesary “diatribe” on your end as well.
And no, I dont think he would accept arbitration to stay in Milwaukee. He might have friends here, might even like the city as well, but the prospect of more money, closer to his true value, along with a quicker route to winning, would be too much for him to pass up.
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 12:48 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Except I'd argue that, with a starting pitcher acquision, the brewers are just as close to "winning" as every team on that list save for the Yankees.
by Mykenk on Oct 8, 2009 12:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
depends
On the pitcher. I just dont know what they are going to be able to get that would push them up over the threshold. they would need about a 6 WAR type of pitcher to become a playoff team is my guess.
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 12:55 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
assuming all other things remain equal, which is a poor assumption.
by Mykenk on Oct 8, 2009 1:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can go up or down
Yes, improvements from Weeks for sure, probably Gallardo, Parra, Bush, Escobar.
But can you expect a guy like Fielder or Braun to outperform what they did this year? I think a fair guess for both of them would be 4 WAR each to be conservative. But then you have to replace what you lose with Cameron, possible regression from McGehee…
On the face of things, it looks like 10 might be an awful lot like 09. And if you get rid of Cam, Kendall, Hardy…not only do you need a 6 or 7 win improvement but you need to replace what was lost.
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 1:14 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was on some good Mariners teams
You know me Al.
by TheJay on Oct 8, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is me getting my facts wrong
There’s some rule involving MLB and salary that says a player’s salary can’t go down by more than 20% from the previous season, and I think it’s somehow related to arbitration. Could it be that Cameron would make at least $8 million next season?
If that’s the case, I can’t imaging DM would want to pay that much. However, I also get the sense that DM can be upfront about these things, at least with Cameron, who seems to be on good terms with the club. I bet he offers Cam a 2-year deal - say, $13 million over the two years - and if Cam wants to go elsewhere, he’ll agree to turn down arbitration.
It’s funny, these San Diego guys (Cameron, Hoffman) really seem to like Milwaukee.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Oct 8, 2009 5:09 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could be wrong...
… but I think that rule is contingent on arbitration, meaning the arbitrator can’t reduce the salary by more than 20%. If a player is not offered arbitration, they’re stuck with whatever the market provides, even if it’s their former team.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 8, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Correct, but I think it only applies to players who have yet to reach free agency.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Oct 8, 2009 5:40 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I think it was Jordan or TheJay that looked it up in the CBA. Players who have never been eligible for free agency’s salaries may not decrease by more than 20%. So…the Brewers could offer Cameron $3M…but he’d probably ask for $8M. And if that goes to a hearing, they’re giving Cameron the $8.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 8, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Something in CBA... def TheJay
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 8, 2009 11:02 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've looked through CBA once
Well, I don’t know if ‘looked’ is right. Skimmed. Glazed-eyed skimming.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Oct 8, 2009 11:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
lookit, free pitching!
Padres just dumped Cha Seung Baek, who didn’t pitch at all in MLB this year (and they left him in Portland for a month for a very dubious “rehab assignment.”)
I think he’d be worth signing to a minor league contract with an invite to spring training, at the least.
by morineko on Oct 8, 2009 12:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take two paces back.
The coolest motherfunker on the planet.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 8, 2009 2:06 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
this is the kind of guy that saves gm jobs.
The pads are dumping him to clear roster space, but he could figure it out next spring and really help someone.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by KLSnow on Oct 8, 2009 2:28 PM CDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Why would the Braves want Hart?
Didn’t they just get rid of Franceour, who seems an awful lot like Corey?
Brewers fan lost in South Carolina.
by SCBrewer on Oct 8, 2009 1:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
7.5MM for Hoffman
seems a little more bearable.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Oct 8, 2009 1:54 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...
Brew City Sports’ Hendies tournament.
I’m glad KL checks BCS. I love the Hendies, and was gonna link it up. Old Hoss is one of my longest tenured friends.
Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take two paces back.
The coolest motherfunker on the planet.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 8, 2009 2:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
If Cam goes does the untucking go?
I’d like to keep the untuck for Cardinal games only.
"It may sound hollow, it may sound unrealistic, it may even sound stupid to some people. We still think we are in it," - Mark Attanasio
by GoCrew on Oct 8, 2009 3:02 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I sure as hell hope not
Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take two paces back.
The coolest motherfunker on the planet.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Oct 8, 2009 3:13 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've been wondering about that too
Its definately something to be concerned about.
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 8, 2009 3:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
key word:
One
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Oct 8, 2009 3:53 PM CDT up reply actions 9 recs
So
you must be of the school of thought that says even bad publicity is good since its publicity?
by backtocali on Oct 8, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think
he’s of the school of thought that untucking is a cool, unique team-bonding thing and one of the fun parts of the Brewers
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by Lefti on Oct 8, 2009 4:33 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it's a nice tribute, and I think the team really gets behind it.. together
I also think that just about everyone who hears about the reason why they untuck says that they no longer find it disrespectful.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Oct 8, 2009 4:39 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think those that are offended by it...
… should spend some time thinking about the state of the world and what it is they’re wasting so much time and emotion on, go home, and reconsider their lives and priorities.
Or just lighten the hell up.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 8, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions 3 recs
Lighten up, jeez
It’s a baseball diamond not a church, and it’s refreshing to see the players actually having fun on the field. I don’t know where the ridiculous myth came about that in the “old days” there was more respect for the game or that anything was ever any different.
Point of reference: in my opinion the most memorable moment of the entire 2009 Brewers season was the shockwave celebration after Fielder’s HR. I’m glad to root for a team that does that kind of stuff.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Oct 8, 2009 7:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whoever eliminates the Cards from the playoffs should untuck their shirts just before they celebrate.
by drezdn on Oct 8, 2009 7:11 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Light one up in honor of Bob Skube's birthday
Or, in other words, Skube doobie do.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Oct 8, 2009 5:02 PM CDT reply actions 5 recs
I cannot rec this enough times
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by Lefti on Oct 8, 2009 5:04 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Technically, you didn't rec it at all. :)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Oct 8, 2009 5:10 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure I did
Clicking the “actions>rec” button does that, right?
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by Lefti on Oct 8, 2009 5:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh hey there it is.
Thanks! :)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Oct 8, 2009 6:32 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
flagged for lack of SBNation knowledge
by PagsBrewCrew on Oct 9, 2009 2:21 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was cloaked. :)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Oct 9, 2009 3:50 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about this?
MLB Daily Dish thinks the Brewers could perhaps trade for Curtis Granderson with JJ Hardy as the centerpiece. Grandersons contract is a pretty good value and it looks like he plays pretty good defense. I would be in favor of a trade like that.
by NoahJ on Oct 8, 2009 5:49 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Meh
It looks like the Detroit News is speculating. Their logic seems to be, the Tigers have multiple holes to fill, and trading Granderson might be the best way to do it. (Hey, that sounds familiar. Think Prince can play center?) Of course, if Detroit did that, they’d have another hole to fill in center, plus I can’t see how they’d get enough offense to make up for what they’re losing.
Still, the Detroit News says a middle infielder, blue-chip reliever, and replacement level centerfielder might get it done. You know, as fun as it is to say that Casey McGehee overachieved, Todd Coffey is another guy whose 2009 was waaay above his career numbers. As valuable as he was to the team last season, if we can take a guy we picked up on the cheap and turn him and Hardy into Curtis Granderson, that would be pretty impressive. Also, Granderson’s 2010 salary is about what Coffey and Hardy combined would make. On the field, Granderson and Cameron are probably a wash, though (based only on 2009) Escobar would be an improvement over Hardy. We’d need to spend some of the $10 million we’d save on a replacement for Coffey, but all told, that would be an improvement for the Brewers, both on the field and in the pocketbook.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Oct 8, 2009 6:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speculative or not it would be something that I hope the Brewers look into.
And we wouldn’t necessarily need to spend money on a FA reliever to take Coffey’s spot. We could just use one of our ample minor leaguers. I’m sure one of them could produce above replacement level.
Even if it is just speculative, if the Brewers made that trade, I would do backflips.
by NoahJ on Oct 8, 2009 7:27 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
I would start with Hardy, Salome, and maybe Narveson. Just throwing names out here; I’m not very good at putting together trade packages. But I would love to bring Granderson to MKE.
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 8, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
so, constantly fill in the catcher with a free agent? good plan.
by Mykenk on Oct 8, 2009 11:19 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would like Salome to be the catcher next year
but he’s not going to be. Lucroy is the catcher of the future, and we all know it.
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 9, 2009 9:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lucroy will not be the catcher next year, though
He’s not going to just skip AAA.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Oct 9, 2009 9:19 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
which makes me fear Kendall will be back.
There’s a little tidbit in McCalvy’s blog that makes me think the FO officially given Lucroy “catcher of the future” title
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 9, 2009 9:22 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Although...
on the flip side, Granderson’s numbers are Cameron-esque. Why trade for them when you can just re-sign Cameron (and not have to make a trade)?
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Oct 9, 2009 2:24 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
If he's willing to sign for cheap
then yes, resign Cameron. But can you beat the $5.5 mil that Granderson is due next year?
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 9, 2009 9:15 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, that's true
But, if we have internal options at the ready for 2011, I’d rather not be on the hook for Granderson’s $8.25 mil in 2011 or $10 mil in 2012.
Looking just at 2010, though, the difference in Granderson’s salary and Cameron’s (projected) salary is, one would assume, no more than about $2.5 million. To save that $2.5 million in 2009, though, we’d have to trade Hardy plus other players. I think Hardy will bring back a better haul than that (assuming he will be trade before the start of next season), so I think I’d rather spend the $2.5 mil than lose our best trading chip.
Having said all that, I really don’t want to bring back Cameron if we have to spend $8 million to do it. Not that he’s not worth it, but with a limited budget, we’re going to need every bit of it to fix out pitching staff.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Oct 9, 2009 10:18 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ronnie Belliard ties it in the 9th!
Ha, nice.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Oct 8, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
rally started by a Holliday misplay
awesome
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Oct 8, 2009 8:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now Loretta in with the bases loaded
Former Brewers unite!
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Oct 8, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Belliard/Loretta: Clearly products of the Brewers system, what with having the gaul to disrespect baseball by beating the Cardinals.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
by SRB on Oct 8, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
You live by Matt Holliday...
You die by Matt Holliday. Hah.
Or, alternately, Matt Holliday giveth, and Matt Holliday taketh away.
You've got a couple screws missin' up in your toolbox, if you think that you'll stop this man from hittin' moonshots.
by hawing on Oct 8, 2009 8:56 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
The importance of defense...
At least he didn’t get picked off like he did in the ’07 WS.
by morineko on Oct 8, 2009 9:01 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
...
Rambling Al thinks that if Doug Davis was 27, he would get a CC Sabathia-type contract.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 8, 2009 11:22 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh god he thinks this about Washburn too
Both are older, but in some ways (as a noted contrarian), that’s a good thing, as if they were 27, they’d each be getting Sabathia-like numbers, or close to it.
His reasoning? They both pitched 200+ innings, and they both had a pretty decent road ERA and allowed not too many home runs. People trust this guy for baseball analysis?
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 8, 2009 11:47 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Usually I agree with the Rambling one
on baseball stuff, that is. (More often than not, I think his political observations are clownish, especially when they’re invoking his BFF, Glenn Reynolds.) But I can’t go with him down the Sabathia-like numbers road. Washburn has been putting up mid-4 ERA numbers since 2003, with only two exceptions, 2005 and last season. (And you see what happened to Detroit after they traded for him: over 8 starts, he went 1-3 with an ERA over 7. I wonder if they would have made the playoffs if they didn’t make that trade.) As for Doug Davis, he has 4 straight seasons with a WHIP over 1.5, and issued more walks last season than ever in his career. They might have made Suppan-like numbers, maybe, if they were younger, but $20 mil/season? Craziness.
Unfortunately, I agree with him that we’ll likely sign one of them, probably Davis. One thing about DD, though: he went at least 7 innings in almost half of his starts. That would have been valuable for the Cream City Crushers last season.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Oct 9, 2009 3:13 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with the substance of your comment
but I almost never agree with him on baseball stuff. He analyzes like an older GM that thinks day/night splits are important and that road ERA is a valuable evaluation tool. He thinks he learned everything he needed to learn about baseball talent evaluation back in 2002 and refuses to accept anything new.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Oct 9, 2009 12:15 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't read his blog anymore
I think he’s blogging from some alternate Earth, ‘cause it sure isn’t mine.
…oh golly he’s talking about trading Suppan for Byrnes. No. no no no no no. For many reasons, some of them being that Soup could probably play a better CF and at least he doesn’t get hurt running the bases.
by morineko on Oct 8, 2009 11:58 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
I came over here to see if anyone was watching my Halos
HH threads are over 2000 posts. Too darn slow. But not as slow as the typical Red Sawx fan.
by Brew Angel on Oct 8, 2009 11:47 PM CDT reply actions 0 recs
I was
And, yes, you know I follow the Sox. They just couldn’t find their offense with a 39.5’ pole tonight, and Torii Hunter was on as per usual. Lackey’s really fixed his Sox problem.
The umpires on the other hand were total crap…
by morineko on Oct 8, 2009 11:54 PM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed that the umpiring was bad
Kendrick was out x2. Though that didn’t cost the Red Sox any runs. Torii getting called out at 3rd, however, did cost a run. Didn’t change the outcome, thankfully for me.
by Brew Angel on Oct 9, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions 0 recs
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