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YBF seeking optimism, long-term relationship

 

Young Brewers fan in search of reasons to be excited for that elusive "next year."

The first few weeks of the off-season are meant to be a time of eternal Cubs-like optimism that your team will get it together. You’re supposed to be able to dream of the post-season and think of dream trade scenario.

Instead, before the season had even ended, Brewer fans became a pretty dismal, negative, downtrodden mess. Laments about the lack of pitching, how the team wouldn’t be getting any help and how bad 2010 will be are everywhere a Brewer fan looks and it’s starting to get a little disheartening.

Maybe it’s because the season was over long before the final game and fans started looking ahead weeks ago, meaning all the rehashing, contract-analyzing and trade talk came and went before October ever began, but whatever the reason, the post-season’s barely begun and I’m already dreading 2010.

If we can’t even get excited for this team in these first bucolic, starry-eyed, optimistic days of the off-season, what’s the point of even keeping up the fandom? 

Have we become jaded in such a short time?

I’m not trying to be unrealistic – it’s clear the Brewers have a lot of question marks to answer before next season. The FA market looks sparse and with The Mustache saying Prince will more than likely be on next year’s roster, our biggest trade bait is no longer dangling. I get that. I know it appears bleak, but can we maybe wait for a date to be set for pitchers and catchers to report before we resign 2010 to the trash heap?

I need hope, BCB. I need to anticipate next season with something more than apathy and the apparent anger simmering beneath so many fans’ surfaces. 

There have to be positives about 2010, right? Give me something to look forward to!

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Our starting rotation can’t any worse than it was this year!

"my goodness"

by BrewHaHeather on Oct 9, 2009 1:31 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

We could resign...

Jhonny Estrada

"At least we still have math on our side" - Ned Yost

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by Prentice on Oct 9, 2009 1:32 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If we did..he'd have to wear these...

"At least we still have math on our side" - Ned Yost

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by Prentice on Oct 9, 2009 1:33 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

One of the most fun moments

For me was watching the game where Fielder had his slam and did the shockwave at home plate. It was just plain fun. It reminded me that there’s a special quality about this team right now that even when they’re virtually eliminated from contention they’re still going out to play hard, still looking to tomorrow, and still playing with joy.

I followed them even more at the end of the season than at the beginning even though I could tell by May that their pitching was leading them towards disaster. Not the best situation, but they played every game for the fun of it.

What am I looking forward to? Any game any day. It’ll be fun.

by nullacct on Oct 9, 2009 1:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Bill Hall will be putting up his .200/.250/.330 line ...

for the Mariners.

That one’s got me downright giddy.

by Rubie Q on Oct 9, 2009 1:49 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

somewhat along those lines...

Jeff Suppan isn’t guaranteed a spot in the rotation

"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck

by dux2bux on Oct 9, 2009 1:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK. Here's a condensed version.

The Pirates are the Pirates.

The Cubs good players are getting older and make plenty of personnel mistakes (Milton Bradley) and will probably be about as good as they were this year.

The Reds have Votto, Bruce, Volquez, Cueto, and kinda Philips. They don’t have anybody really good beyond that, which is why they always seem to fall short of what people think they will do.

The Astros are another team that is getting older and, unlike the Cubs, they have absolutely nothing in their farm system that will help them anytime soon except Jason Castro. They will probably do no better than this year, especially after Wandy Rodriguez had a career year.

Then there is the Cardinals. The hope there is that they have so many free-agents (Holliday, Pineiro, Wellemeyer, Greene, Ankiel and a few guys (Ludwick, Duncan, Schumaker) that they will have to spend money on in order to keep, while also keeping in mind that they are going to have to re-sign Pujols to probably the biggest contract in MLB history VERY soon. They don’t have unlimited money and will probably have to downgrade a couple of positions.

The problem is that both the Astros and Cardinals DO have around $40-50M to spend, but a lot of that (especially for the Cards) will be going to resigning there own players (as many as they can, anyway). And there aren’t a whole lot of compelling options on the free agent market for them to spend their money on either.

So, depending on the moves the Brewers make this season, next year could very well be absolutely winnable. The Crew did have the third best offense in the NL, and just need to improve their league-worst pitching, which shouldn’t be too hard to do since, even if we don’t acquire anyone else, most of the guys the Brewers do have shouldn’t do as bad as they did this year

by NoahJ on Oct 9, 2009 2:00 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm very reluctant to base hopes for next season on everyone else being bad.

All that has to happen is one overachiever and that plan doesn’t work. See the 2009 Cards for an example.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by KLSnow on Oct 10, 2009 12:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, sure.

But that one overachiever could absolutely be the Brewers. Considering that so many of our players underachieved this year (Parra, Looper and Suppan should be better than they were, Hardy, Hart, Bush, etc) I feel that there is still a very good chance that we could do very well next year. Everyone else getting slightly worse just helps. I mean, the only thing that needs to improve is the starting pitching, basically, and I honestly think that, given that none of our starting pitchers have had as bad of a year as they did in 2009, that they should all improve at least slightly with much better years from Manny Parra and a healthy Dave Bush. Even if we don’t make a big trade for a pitcher I like our chances next year just based on this.

by NoahJ on Oct 10, 2009 1:52 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

i figure, hey, i’m only 24. according to estimates of life expectancy for my generation, i may very well live to be 100 years old. that means i’m not even a quarter through the number of chances i have to see the brewers win the world series.

granted, one playoff run every quarter century does not give us good chances. but, the odds should play themselves out at least a little bit and we could very well see 5-6 playoff runs within a decade at some point if we are fortunate.

so, considering it will only take one brewer world series championship to allow me to die happily, i think my odds remain pretty good at this juncture of my life. i’m not really all that worried about it. each losing year will make the championship year that much sweeter.

of course, ask me this question again when i’m 80 and you’ll probably receive a much different tone in the response. if you get any response at all. after all, i may very well be sleeping and/or engaged in a heated shuffleboard tournament. that is, if i’m not still working towards my retirement, which seems the most likely of all at this point.

by Tick on Oct 9, 2009 2:25 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Hate to break it to you

but if you can’t win a championship by the time you’re married with kids, it doesn’t really matter if your teams wins it all or not.

After all, the only real reason we are fans in the first place is for the epic party we get to throw ourselves when they someday win it all.

"You guys know me. I take a long time to analyze things."
- Ned Yost

by SunglassesAtNight on Oct 9, 2009 4:54 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe I'm in denial...

… since I’m married with a kid, but the post-championship party doesn’t have anything to do with why I’m a fan. And I knew lots of married parents who had a good time after the Packers won the title in 96.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Oct 9, 2009 5:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m only kidding of course. I ca’t wait to someday start going to baseball games with my kid and filling his brain with anti-Cubs nonsense.

"You guys know me. I take a long time to analyze things."
- Ned Yost

by SunglassesAtNight on Oct 9, 2009 5:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Im looking forward to aJeff Suppan...

….contract year. Everyone plays better in a contract year right?

by Jeo on Oct 9, 2009 3:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Rickie MF Weeks.

Rickie, who my friends and I inexplicably and lovingly refer to as “Skittles”, has been my favorite Brewers position player since he was called up.

To see him finally making good on all that bat-speed-based potential and then go down for the season was devastating. Given that his wrist was injured (yet again), who knows if he’ll ever show that kind of power again. But if he can continue to adjust, and continue to improve defensively (4.7 UZR in 35 games this year), that could be a huge boost offensively. It’s a big questions mark, but it could be a big gain if he comes back healed, and stays healthy.

"I've had the time of my afterlife." --Patrick Swayze

by baumann on Oct 9, 2009 3:34 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

As a first season reader of the BCB..

what goes on in this place during the off-season? Are there still daily mugs?

by diggerd on Oct 9, 2009 3:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yes, there are.

Along with whatever comes up: Speculation, analysis, reports of news like arbitration, FA signings, trades, etc. As we get closer to the new season there are prediction threads and the like.

by NoahJ on Oct 9, 2009 4:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you haven't read Shirley Jackson's "The Lottery"

then you’ll be excited by our offseason lottery! Woo-hoo!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Oct 9, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thankfully

My eighth grade education tought me not to be excited about that.

by NoahJ on Oct 9, 2009 5:41 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not sure.

But I don’t think you are talking about the same lottery as we are talking about.

by NoahJ on Oct 9, 2009 5:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Please tell me

you spelled tought that way on purpose.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Oct 10, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Well, guys, the bad news is we have 8 guys for 7 bullpen spots..."

“The good news is we have a way to loosen up your arms and fix the problem at the same time!”

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Oct 10, 2009 12:15 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Pessimistic?

Granted, I seem to be overly optimistic when it comes to the Brewers - after all, I was calling for 90 wins before the season started. Just the same, I’m looking forward to 2010. I mean, we lost our middle infield early - one due to injury, the other due to just plain suckitude - and our entire starting rotation underperformed, and badly. Despite all that, we came within one win of a .500 season.

In 2010, we’ll likely have Escobar and Weeks in the lineup, which should be a lot of fun. We no longer are giving away ABs to Bill E. Hall, and we have a newfound fan favorite in Casey McGehee. (Not to mention a not-as-remote-as-you-think chance of back-to-back ROYs in 2009 and 2010.) Our offense was, what, 3rd in the NL, and if we want, we can bring everybody back - in fact, we have parts to spare in Hardy, Lopez, and McGehee/Gamel. (Plus, if we replace Kendall with someone who can, you know, hit, it can actually get better.)

Our rotation will be hard to fix, but overall, I think we have a lot fewer question marks than a lot of teams. As much as I was bummed out by our annual second-half fade, I’m looking forward to next season.

If nothing else, we’re less than a year away from Hall’s and Suppan’s contracts coming off the books. That’s something to look forward to, if nothing else. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Oct 9, 2009 4:13 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Correction

Lopez is a FA, so we can’t call him a part to spare. My apologies to F-Lo and his family.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Oct 9, 2009 4:18 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hall/Soup contracts coming off the books

I’m relly looking forward to 2011 for that reason. It may not be good for the long run but I think we should hold on to Prince though 2011 and really made a run for it that year. All that money coming off the book would open up a fair amount to spend on pitching or whatever is needed.

"my goodness"

by BrewHaHeather on Oct 9, 2009 5:43 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I am pretty sure I poked a little fun at people who predicted 90+ wins...

If our starting pitching would have been at all reasonable, we would have hit 90 easy.

by Braunstalker on Oct 10, 2009 3:31 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I prefer to keep my expectations low so that when they are exceeded I am really happy. for example- my only goal for the day is to pee outside of my pants

"I agree but dont agree"

by juggernaut400 on Oct 9, 2009 4:22 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Brewers still promise to be the most exciting team in the major leagues

I’m actually really excited for 2010. The prospect of Fielder/Braun actually improving on their incredible 2009 numbers, a full season of Escobar and maybe Gamel (or to a lesser extent McGehee), a chance to see if Weeks can maintain his pre-injury 2009 performance over the whole year, hopefully a resurgent Hart, are all more than enough to offset the uncertainty over CF and C.

And as far as pitching goes, I think Gallardo/Parra/Bush can all drastically improve on their 2009 numbers if given a chance. I’m a little worried Suppan will stay in the rotation because of his contract (he shouldn’t) or that they’ll exercise Looper’s $6.5 million option (they shouldn’t) – but I’m still optimistic that the rotation will be Gallardo/Mystery Pitcher 1/Mystery Pitcher 2/Bush/Parra – which to me actually has the potential to be actually really good, depending on the incoming pitchers.

With a team so young, I will continue to be excited about their potential going into every season.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Oct 9, 2009 4:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing about catcher

It would be very difficult to get worse at that position. So there’s improvement right there. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Oct 9, 2009 5:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ivan Rodriguez

Ex-Ranger. Played for Melvin. Is cheap. Can’t hit anymore. Doesn’t walk.

You know me Al.

by TheJay on Oct 9, 2009 5:27 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

He's still in baseball?

I wonder: does our GRIT equation include age? Because players get grittier each year over 35.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Oct 9, 2009 5:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Possibly

I believe grit is actually a side effect of saltiness, which is generally directly linked to aging into your mid-thirties

by Tick on Oct 9, 2009 7:32 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Woah

Did I just see the President of the United States on a TBS commercial?

That doesn’t seem right.

by Tick on Oct 9, 2009 7:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Run the pythag record if the team cuts 0.5 runs allowed

and keeps the offense where it is. If the team can improve to just league average pitching, they should win 86 games. Given that every single pitcher this year had the worst year of either their career or in the last 6 season, 0.5 run/game is a very realistic and attainable goal with carry-over players returning to their norms, an upgrade or two in the pitching staff and Kendall leaving. Small sample size and all, but go compare runs/9 for Kendall vs Rivera. We’re half way there just getting rid of K-Grit.

by Getting Yosted on Oct 10, 2009 11:34 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Keeping the offense where it is

It is tough for me to assume that. I can see the production out of CF, 2B, and 3B all dipping next year regardless of who is starting where. Upgrading catcher slightly won’t make up for that. If the offense drops back to the 2008 level, 750 runs, the team has to cut 0.75 runs per game to get to 86 pythag wins.

Then again, maybe the opposite will happen and Prince and Braun will lead another charge at 800 runs.

You know me Al.

by TheJay on Oct 10, 2009 2:35 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I won't take much to improve.

Bush’s ERA was at 4.58 at the time he got injured. There is good reason to think he will easily get back to a 4.50 ERA next year. Parra has never had an ERA this high. Even with a few bad starts at the back end of 2008 hie MLB ERA was 4.39. If we can get a couple pitchers for depth, guys that won’t completely suck if we bring them up, it should drastically improve our pitching. CF is the only real spot to worry about. If Cameron comes back and we get a couple pitchers, we should easily improve to a mid 80’s win team. That should put us in playoff contention next year.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Oct 10, 2009 1:24 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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