Looper Option Declined!
Our long national nightmare is over. There'll be dancing in the streets, drinking in the saloons, and necking in the parlor.
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Finally..
To bad it cost us 1million to do it. Unless Looper is stupid and declines his end of the mutual option.
I literally gasped and then cheered when I read this.
I really expected less out of Melvin.
"I really expected less out of Melvin."
Me too. This doesn’t mean we’ll fill Loopers spot with someone better, but at least we know that Melvin realizes that Looper was bad.
That’s something, right?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 13, 2009 12:37 PM CST up reply actions
It also doesn't mean that Looper won't be back...
DM could still decide to resign him to a lesser contract.
Actually, I'd be ok with that.
If he’ll take $2 million to compete for a spot, then he’s just another reclamation project for Peterson.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
DM is awaiting word on the success of Looper's surgery.
You know, the surgery that attaches his head to a GIANT ROBOT…with FIRE.
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
by Yar Nivek on Nov 13, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions 2 recs
AND LAZERS
Looking to buy: General Manager Deputy Badge
by Bush League All Star on Nov 13, 2009 3:43 PM CST up reply actions
Or
We don’t get the pitching we want, and we’re forced to re-sign Looper at $8 million/season.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
And there was much rejoicing!
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
In the words of my old history teacher
HUZZAH!!!
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
What was that teacher's name?
I think I know him.
"I've had the time of my afterlife." --Patrick Swayze
by baumann on Nov 14, 2009 12:40 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
yay...
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Nov 13, 2009 2:11 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Flagged...
… not because it’s offensive, but because you didn’t post this when I wrote the “much rejoicing” comment in the Kendall thread.
I’m assuming it’s because you’re afraid I’m going to kick your ass this week in BCB fantasy football…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 13, 2009 4:05 PM CST up reply actions
So, now we need 3 starting pitchers. Nice.
Okay, more like 3.5-4, but I guess that hasn’t really changed.
Fire Doug Melvin.com!
I figure in actuality it’s 1 – 2. Depends on what they do with Parra and Bush. Keep both, 1, dump one. 2.
I disagree with your gallardo count
Yo is fine. Not going to find better than that out there.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I don't know
If he works out his command issues, he’ll be 1.5. Until then, he’s somewhere between .75 and 1.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 13, 2009 2:12 PM CST up reply actions
so to count as a full pitcher, you have to be an elite pitcher in baseball?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
I'm thinking of 1 as #1 ace pitcher of the staff.
He’s not an ace.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 13, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
wait...
you guys are going in opposite directions.
So Gallardo isn’t a number 1 starter, which would make him a 2 starter. But then you are quantifying him as a percentage of a starter. So what’s the story? Does Gallardo count as a whole pitcher or just a percentage of a pitcher? Because I would assume that anyone that is a 3 starter or better would qualify as a whole pitcher, and Gallardo would be the only one on the Brewers squad that would do that.
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Gallardo's a #3-4 in my book right now.
Throws way too many pitches to be a top of the rotation guy, and nibbles way too much when he gets ahead in the count.
maybe a better way to phrase it is that he’s about 75% of what I expect him to be?
So how many "starters" does the team need?
Do all the parts need to add up to 5 (presumably meaning five #1 pitchers) or 3 or something else? Considering you claim there are 1.75 right now and need 3 more, I guess the team needs 5 total, but that seems unrealistic.
Sign Corky Miller
I missed the memo where I needed to start making sense.
They need 3 more starters. 2 to join the rotation, 1 for depth. I’d prefer to get 4 (2 and 2), but that’s not going to happen.
"maybe a better way to phrase it is that he’s about 75% of what I expect him to be?"
That’s what I was going for.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 13, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
that's my count as well
i figure head of melvin expect rotation to be gallardo, suppan, bush, TBD, TBD.
MLBTR just posted a note saying the Brewers are inquiring on Edwin Jackson. If only we had a shortstop or something to trade them…
MLBTR also noted another source saying Brewers not so interested in Vazquez.
by Capt Science on Nov 13, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions
And Tim Dierkes also thinks the Brewers will non-tender Dave Bush, Jody Gerut, and Seth McClung
I can understand McClung, but not Bush or Gerut.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 13, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
I think when DM said 2 new starting pitchers he was implying that Looper would be replaced.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
That's what I was wondering
This is just speculation, but I think he might be abandoning that “2 new starting pitchers” line. Given how lousy the Loop was, and how expensive he’d be now, it shouldn’t be too hard to replace him for less, thus freeing salary for his remaining pitching hunt.
I’m guessing the plan now is to free up enough cash to bring in at least one big-money guy (either a FA like Lackey or making a trade for someone like Lowe), and then have as much competition for the last three spots as possible. If that’s the case, I bet we end up dumping Bush, who’d probably get a raise in 2010 as his last arby year (he made $4 million last season), and is coming off of his worst season as a Brewer.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I really hope he's not going after Lowe
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Nov 14, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions
I wouldn't mind Lowe
Given his deceptively high ERA last season and the Braves pressing desire to shed payroll, he could probably be had for relatively cheap. Lowe has been consistently good (outstanding in ‘08), and his main trouble last year seems to have been a ridiculous pitch to contact rate. If we can just teach him to magically direct all that contact up the middle to Escobar/Gomez we’d be in good shape!
(Maybe even Hart for Lowe straight-up? Gives the Braves salary relief and they RF they want, and clears Hart’s arbitration salary for the Brewers to lighten the financial impact of adding Lowe’s contract.)
Ryan Braun: He loves it. *Secretly, I am Carlos Gomez*
Addendum
Wait, Lowe is making $15 million per year?! I thought it was around $10 million. Maybe a Lowe trade wouldn’t be the best thing in the world…
Ryan Braun: He loves it. *Secretly, I am Carlos Gomez*
Exactly
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Nov 14, 2009 3:19 PM CST up reply actions
If it's a trade they're looking at and you're right about Bush...
… isn’t he more useful as a throw in than as a cut? Or will his salary be too high for that?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 14, 2009 10:58 AM CST up reply actions
Current salary commitments?
Anyone keeping a list of the Brewers’ current salary status – who they’re committed to and for how much? How much room in the payroll do they have with Looper, Hardy, and Cameron (and Counsell, et al) off the books?
Glance over to your right
And you’ll see this FanPost.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
I am.
I assumed (probably overestimated) some arbitration figures, so there could actually be more or less money available, but it should be pretty accurate.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
From the article
Say what you will about Looper’s secondary numbers, he still won more games in 2009 than all of those pitchers.
Ummm….
Steve
http://nohuddleoffense.blogspot.com
McCalvy wouldn't be doing a good job if he trashed a player that was just let go..
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Agreed.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 13, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah.
They saw all those homers flying out and thought to themselves… “hey, I can do that too.”
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 14, 2009 11:00 AM CST up reply actions
"Ball is sure flying out tonight."
“Must be the weather!”
Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.
Think he meant
"Say what you will about how bad Looper is, the offense did score a lot of runs when he pitched."
“Say what you want about Looper, but when the offense saw his name penciled in the lineup card, they knew they’d have to bring their A game.”
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
by roguejim on Nov 13, 2009 3:04 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
They should
Put markers at each location all of his HRs landed as a reminder to NEVER sign anyone like him again….
Goooooo-mez!
by Drew C on Nov 13, 2009 1:52 PM CST via mobile reply actions
But I thought Gomez was supposed to make our fly ball pitchers better?
You mean Gomez doesn’t have a plastic-man arm he can extend out into the stands to catch home runs?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 14, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions
Actually he does
but not all of Loopers HRs went to center.
< Insert amusing spray chart for pitcher homeruns I can’t find >
As relieved as you feel now...
…imagine how it’ll feel in a year… after the team declines Suppan’s option.
I think so too
I’m holding out hope we can do a salary dump, but, yeah, I think he’ll follow the same career path as Bill Hall.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
If he gets traded
the other team is on the hook for his buyout, correct? What about if he’s released, does the buyout disappear?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I'm betting the buyout kicks in too
but I guess I don’t know for sure.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I'm fairly sure we are on the hook no matter what
I think the only way we could get off the hook is if Loop declined the player portion. Then he leaves the money on. As of right now it’s basically exactly like what Weathers (Club option). So we pay him money to become an FA.
Looper had the option to void the 2010 club option and go FA. This would void the buyout.
I'm talking about Suppan.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Ohh sorry I missed it.
I think we pay no matter what. Not sure if he retires, but would you retire if you can just file for FA and get 2 million dolla bills ya’ll?
Yeah why feel bad?
Seriously, he’s making millions to suck. It’s like feeling bad for Suppan. Sure he wipes away the tears with hundred dollar bills.
I just feel bad because it's a pretty big bitch-slap
Usually players are not told straight-up that they suck too much to be in a bad rotation.
by Donald Driver on Nov 13, 2009 3:49 PM CST up reply actions
Meh..
What’s the difference? I’d rather be told “Sorry you didn’t live up to expected performance metrics” instead of “Awww Loop you are the best. But mean old Mark A won’t let me spend 6.5 on you. How about a hand job instead?”
by SgtClueLs on Nov 13, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions 3 recs
Aaaaand....rec'd
Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take ten paces back.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Nov 13, 2009 4:20 PM CST up reply actions
And there was much rejoicing in Mudville
Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take ten paces back.
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by Dikembe Meiztombo on Nov 13, 2009 2:42 PM CST reply actions
Tried to send her to the minors after 3 years service time
Pags apparently spit on the gentleman’s agreement that says no claims in that situation.
Sign Corky Miller
YES
"I'll be glad to have Ryan help if he wants to. I'll give him a badge and he can be my deputy."
-Sheriff Melvin
by sowingwildoats on Nov 14, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec
because I actually laughed.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 14, 2009 5:01 PM CST up reply actions
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