Monday's Frosty Mug
It's a bad news-good news kind of morning. The bad news: I've been up sick since 4:15. The good news: I couldn't sleep anyway, so this morning's Mug is early. Enjoy.
Kevin Millwood was the newest name to surface in Rumorville over the weekend, based on a Boston Globe report saying the Brewers had inquired about him. With that said, Rangers GM Jon Daniels said he hasn't spoken to Doug Melvin in weeks. Two things to take away from this:
- Nick Cafardo of the Boston Globe is still a hack and any time spent propagating one of his rumors is time wasted.
- "Working the phones" is apparently still not a big part of Doug Melvin's offseason plan.
Where does Prince Fielder's 2009 season rate among the best in Brewer history? In-Between Hops has it at #4, behind Robin Yount's 1982, Paul Molitor's 1987 and Rollie Fingers' 2001. Notably absent from the top ten: Ryan Braun's 2009.
In the minors:
- The Timber Rattlers are looking for your help selecting a third baseman for their 15th anniversary team. Follow the link to learn about the candidates, then jump over to their front page for the poll.
- Speaking of the Rattlers, Rattler Radio has a nice note on the offseason of 2009 Rattler Jim Henderson, who's spending the winter in Okotoks, Alberta, helping train the next generation of Canadian baseball players.
If Derek Lowe doesn't become a Brewer this offseason, he might be a Dodger again. There's a new rumor floating around that has Atlanta and Los Angeles potentially swapping bad contracts, with Lowe going to the Dodgers and Juan Pierre to the Braves. Meanwhile, Lowe sounds like he'd prefer to stay in Atlanta.
Every now and then someone asks me for a glossary of statistical terms we frequently use (and misuse) here on BCB. It's a project we'll probably get around to eventually, but in the meantime Where Have You Gone, Andy Van Slyke? has a pretty good starting point.
Are you ready to start projecting for 2010? If so, FanGraphs has an opportunity for you to weigh in on players for next season. It could be interesting.
I just heard about it for the first time yesterday, but apparently Cyber Monday is "a tradition worth keeping," so you should head over to the Brewers online store and give them 20% less than all your money. And if you're looking for a gift for a
On this date in 1972, Larry Hisle was traded from the Cardinals to the Twins, marking the third time he'd been traded in 13 months. Five years later, Hisle would become a free agent for the first time, sign with the Brewers and finish third in the voting for 1978 AL MVP.
On this date in 1994, the Brewers sent reliever Doug Henry to the Mets for two players to be named later. Nearly a month later, the final PTBNL was announced: Fernando Vina. Vina hit .286/.349/.389 over five seasons as a Brewer.
Happy birthday today to Ray Durham, who turns 38.
Drink up.
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Huh
Cyber Monday does not mean what I first thought it meant.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Nothing but a sign that says "I beat KL Snow at Boggle yesterday."
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Handily, at that
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Fingers
Must’ve saved every game they won in ’01.
Fingers was untouchable in '01
ERA – 0.00
WHIP – 0.00
by thevaccinator27 on Nov 30, 2009 8:47 AM CST up reply actions
It's really cool, actually.
I’ve spent so much time looking at his stats from 2001 that I could literally recite ANY stat that he put up that season. I don’t know how I was able to memorize them all…
"Working the phones" is apparently still not a big part of Doug Melvin's offseason plan.
You make it sound like he should be calling everyone, all the time. Maybe he doesn’t see a match with the Rangers, and maybe there’s no one on the team that interests him. Millwood, for example, doesn’t interest me in the least. Why should he waste his time calling teams that don’t have anyone he’s interested in?
But it sure seems
That if he worked the phones he could have gotten more then Gomez for Hardy.
Millwoods a brewer. He was a Ranger, that’s the fast track to becoming a Brewer.
Millwood is due $12 million next season, posted a 3.67 ERA in the AL last season, averaged 189 innings over the last five seasons
But you only want him at a price of $2-4 million? GLWT.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Yeah, he had a good year last year, but the two before that were pretty looper-esque. I don't think 2009 Kevin Millwood is the real Kevin Millwood.
Neither was 2007/2008
Millwood had a terrible defense behind him in 2007/2008 (look at those hits per inning pitched!). That said, while he had a better defense behind him last year, his walk rate and HR rate both spiked while his SO rate dropped. Those are big warning signs.
I think in reality he was somewhere between 2008 and 2009 in skill levels but is clearly in decline now. I don’t think he’ll put up anywhere near as good of numbers as last year, especially if that HR rate keeps climbing.
I guess since there’s only one year left, I wouldn’t be violently opposed to it but I wouldn’t expect more than a 4.50 ERA.
by kingcharlesxii on Nov 30, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions
Stats smats
Is he gritty? The team with out Kendall and possible Counsell are sliding into the danger zone of not enough grit.
He completely changed his conditioning last year
He even quit drinking beer completely. (That may not bode well for him as a Brewer) Baseball Tonight interviewed him after pitching a CG. It was about anhour after the game, and he was riding a bike in the gym. So I don’t think 2009 was a COMPLETE fluke, and I wouldn’t mind having him here.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
He actually had a better WAR the two seasons prior to 2009 then he did last year.
And his FIP was better both those years, as well.
WAR is calculated off of FIP, so that would explain that assuming a similar amount of innings
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
#1 Problem with that idea:
ERA is not directly under the control of the pitcher. If he could be projected for that, It’d be a good deal.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
The Rangers are basically DM's farm club.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
The Rangers circa 2002 are Doug Melvin's farm club
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by Fatter than Joey on Nov 30, 2009 11:38 AM CST up reply actions
Does that mean the Brewers are going to end up with Alex Rodriguez?
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 11:45 AM CST up reply actions
I seven years when he sucks
So we’ve got that to look forward to, which is nice.
by Getting Yosted on Nov 30, 2009 12:03 PM CST up reply actions
I forgot
The Mustache MO is to sign 40 year old dudes to contracts.
But, with A Rod, you always have the possibility that he’ll be able to keep juicing under the radar enough that he’ll be productive into his 50s (see also, Franco, Julio)
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions
Best Seasons by Brewers
Where’s the mighty Tommy Harper?!
Ryan Braun: He loves it. *Secretly, I am Carlos Gomez*
In-between Hops thinks
the single most memorable Brewers moment was Cooper’s hit in game 5 driving in the two winning runs, followed by Prince’s home run celebration from this year. I wonder where Braun’s final homer from last year ranks. I haven’t been a Brewers fan incredibly long, but that seems like a top two or three moment to me.
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
Arby rations
The deadline for clubs to offer arbitration is fast approaching.
So does midnight Tuesday mean tuesday night or tuesday morning? I’m assuming Tuesday night, and I agree with TH’s predictions.
If you were the Brewers FO, who would you offer arbitration to?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
The CBA says
The former Club of a free agent, no later than by the December 1 following the free agency election period, may offer to proceed with the Player to salary arbitration under Article VI of this Agreement, for the next following season.
Thanks
But let me get this straight. The decision whether or not to offer arbitration is due by tomorrow. What’s the next step? The player accepting or declining? Then negotiating figures?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
The player gets through December 7 to accept or reject
If he accepts, then the timeline is the same as any other player going to arbitration – figures get exchanged in mid-January and hearings take place in early February.
Cameron and Lopez
Both would get multiple year deals elsewhere. If Cameron did accept, you could probably give him away to a team that could absorb the salary and most likely still get something in return. If Lopez accepts, you have a replacement for when Rickie Weeks inevitably breaks down. That said, I don’t know why either of them would turn down more money elsewhere and type B isn’t a deterrent to other teams signing them.
by kingcharlesxii on Nov 30, 2009 12:23 PM CST up reply actions
No, if lopez accepts, then you can easily trade one of the third basemen, and have FeLo play third, whether he likes it or not.
But, moot point.
Sure, but its interesting
to bring up the fact that Casey McGehee’s MLB experience consists of 379 total ABs, with 355 of those comprising a season that eclipsed anything he’d ever done at any level ever in his life. So…I’d guess his value is almost zero in a trade. I’d bet a lot of GMs would be wary about over paying for a very unproven guy who had a career year his first year in the majors.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 12:53 PM CST up reply actions
No way in hell.
Mat Gamel will be a significantly better MLB hitter than Casey McGehee.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions
as a backup though?
McGehee could be a very solid backup. Gamel would be more valuable in a trade for pitching, than as a backup.
That’s probably not true as we go forward past 2010, but still, I think that was mykenk’s point.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Ah, OK then.
But I’d prefer to see the forest AND the trees. Who’s filling in for Prince at 1B after 2011? Joe Koshansky?
Mat Gamel needs to be that guy.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 1:01 PM CST up reply actions
Jason Kendall
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
That would make sense
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
got it
sorry for the misunderstanding. There are a lot of people that make really emotional arguments FOR McGehee, rather than logical ones. I was assuming you were giving a former rather than a latter due to the recent prolification of the former. I really need to stop hanging around the CBS forums and reading/posting comments on Tommy Boy’s blog.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
I disagree
And I posted it in the comments on the blog.
Lopez and Cameron should both be offered arb. If nothing else they could be traded if they accept.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 12:54 PM CST up reply actions
when i say agree
I mean, I think that’s what’s likely to happen. I too, would like to see Lopez and Cameron offered arbitration.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Ah got it
Is it sad that we’ve come to expect the least rational course of action from this front office?
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions
Let's think about this for a minute
Why would TH use the correct logic about FeLope, but go the other way with Cameron?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I have two plausible answers
- He’s an idiot
- He’s heard it from someone inside the organization
Its hard to pick the right answer, though.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions
Well, we did have trouble trying to unload Cam's contract last year ...
in that failed trade with the Yankees. Maybe the concern is that if Cam accepts and gets another $10 to $12 million contract, we’re not going to be able to move him without picking up a sizable chunk of the money.
Hilariously
Mike Cameron for Melky Cabrera and Kei Igawa would have been a great trade. The Mustache just has trouble identifying great trades.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 1:09 PM CST up reply actions
I agree with Rubie.
I think the inherent problem with offering Cam and Lopez Arbys, is that it doesn’t help our team win games and costs us ~$16M combined.
If both Cam and Lopez accept — even, if at some point you can trade them — that assigned money probably handcuffs the Brewers ability to go out and sign stud pitchers like Doug Davis and Jarrod Washburn.
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by Fatter than Joey on Nov 30, 2009 1:58 PM CST up reply actions
Cameron wants to stay in Milwaukee, and will take a 'pay cut'
Which is to assume he will take pay less than what he made in 2009 to play in Milwaukee. That will be a great deal for any team.
I, however, don’t think he will accept. He will want to decide on his own if he wants that pay cut, or if he wants to go somewhere else.
Davis and Washburn aren’t going to turn this into a 90+ win team with the offensive question marks. Remember, this is an unstated rebuild year.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 2:02 PM CST up reply actions
2 Things...
1.) If Cameron truly wanted to stay here in Milw. and take a paycut — I think he would have been signed ala Hoffman.
2.) IF we are in “unstated rebuild” mode — Why the hell did we sign Hoffman?
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by Fatter than Joey on Nov 30, 2009 2:06 PM CST up reply actions
OK
- Maybe Melvin’s intention was to trade for Gomez all along…so he didn’t bother to talk about it. That doesn’t change the fact that I’ll bet he’d sign for less than what he made in 2009 in an arb negotiation. And it certainly doesn’t rule out the possibility that he’ll decline and look elsewhere.
- First, Doug Melvin is not a total idiot. He has been enamored with a changeup-throwing closer for a long time(this makes him an idiot). He’ll pay for the saves, and he knows that poseur fans will buy Hoffman’s jerseys and cheer like he’s played here for 20 years when he notches save #600 (this makes him popular in the Attanasio household).
You think, in all of your honest heart, that the Brewers are trying their hardest to get to the playoffs in 2010? I call that silly. At the VERY least, Melvin is targeting 2010.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions
Maybe Melvin thinks the world is ending in 2012
No way Cam signs for less in the Arby process — I don’t see any reason he would do that.
I don’t think the Brewers will be competitive in 2010 (as things stand today), I am not convinced that Douggie feels the same.
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by Fatter than Joey on Nov 30, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions
I meant
“At the VERY least, Melvin is targeting 2011”
No way Cam signs for less in the Arby process — I don’t see any reason he would do that.
How so? You know how it works, right? The two sides give a figure. Then they negotiate prior to a hearing. If they can’t reach an agreement, an arbitrator picks one or the other number. Did you know Doug Melvin hasn’t ever had a hearing?
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
And is that always a good thing?
I was thinking about that the other day, is avoiding arby 100% of the time the best route?
Who knows?
The real question is, does Cameron accept? The writing is on the wall—why would he want to play for an organization that doesn’t want him?
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
I really enjoy watching Hoffman pitch. He's one of my favorite Brewers
I gave some serious thought to buying a Hoff jersey, but couldn’t pull the trigger…I’d like to think that I’m not a poseur fan.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I'd like to think you aren't a poseur fan as well...
Hoffman Jerseys and T-shirts are in aisle 4.
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by Fatter than Joey on Nov 30, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions
I'm all for a difference of opinion.
But I feel the same about Brewers fans wildly cheering for Hoffman as I do Viking’s fans wildly cheering for Favre.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 3:28 PM CST up reply actions
What are you supposed to do when Hoffman comes out?
If he’s pitching it mean the Brewers are (most likely) winning. That’s something to cheer about.
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Nov 30, 2009 3:34 PM CST up reply actions
You should sit on your hands the entire time
Golf clap anytime any player makes any play. Never leave your feet. Anything too vocal is inappropriate.
Essentially, be a Cardinal fan.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
No but folks who 'can't wait for Hoffman's 600th win!'
are fricking poseurs. That’s why I included that in my original statement.
No crying when he regresses!
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
Let me clarify my position
The greater majority of the shrewdness of signing Trevor Hoffman lies in those fans who want to walk around saying “we have the best closer of all time! He’s got the most saves, he’s our closer!” And they will shell out for the merchandise, because its a PR move.
Larry Dobrow over at CBS said it best when he said:
To make matters worse, the Brewers have engineered two moves of dubious worth since the 2009 season ended. Trevor Hoffman is a righteous dude and the Michael Jordan of loving, supportive teammates, but he’s still a 42-year-old with a single effective pitch. Committing $7.5 million to him at a time when better relievers can be had for less reeks of prioritizing character over ability. Say, you know who else is a great guy? Brad Ausmus. I bet he’s available!
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions
Hoffman has been pretty dang effective throwing 85 for a number of years now
If he’s healthy, there’s no reason to assume he can’t be effective again. $7.5 mil isn’t a great deal but it’s sure not an outrage.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Oh I'm not outraged
But I’m against paying for saves. And, in all honesty, zero percent of any population thought he’d post the numbers he did last season.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 1, 2009 1:25 AM CST up reply actions
I don't get your point
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
a select group of the fanbase
I’ve always been a bigger supporter of ‘franchise players’—guys that define your team based on work they’ve put in over a number of year. And I’m not a fan of the ‘as soon as we sign X, he’s my favorite player.’ Sure Albert Pujols would put up some stellar numbers in a Brewers uniform, but I hate the turd.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 1, 2009 1:24 AM CST up reply actions
Do I have to be the one to point out that you used Number 1 twice? I guess I do. :)
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Maybe I thought they were both equally relevant
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 3:27 PM CST up reply actions
That and..
Remember when The Stasche was burned by Graff accepting arbitration? My guess is he’s now gun shy.
You make decisions based on the information available at the time
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Arby rations make sense
only so much fake roast beef to go around
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I bet I could eat 25 in an hour.
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by Fatter than Joey on Nov 30, 2009 1:51 PM CST up reply actions
Part opf the 250-sandwiches-for-$5.95 promotion
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I have 2 Arby's related comments.
1.) Why the hell do they ask you if you want curly fries? Of course you do. They should refuse service to any asstard that requests straight fries.
2.) I bet I could eat more Arby’s than Reuben Quevedo in one sitting.
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by Fatter than Joey on Nov 30, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions
I agree that anyone who gets regular fries instead of curly fries is insane. However, if the choice is between curly fries and no curly fries, some health minded people may answer “no.”
2) How much is admission to this event?
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Has anyone ever tried the non-curly kind?
I know I never had a single Arbys “Straight” fry. I wonder it’s the secret ambrosia of Arbys.
They don't even have them anymore at the 2 arby's i frequent.
or they do, but the default is curly fry and they don’t ask.
The homestyle fries at arbys (non curly) were actually much better than any other fast food fry (outside of the curly fry, of course).
Yep, me too.
I asked for curly fries one day, and the lady workin’ the booth said: “What other kind would we give you?”
Huh
I went to Arbys, the other day, and they asked me if I wanted curly fries or regular fries. I was taken aback.
Maybe it was a nightmare.
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by Fatter than Joey on Nov 30, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions
They all do it now but I first noticed it at Arbys...
I hate that they ask you what size you want your combo and the “small” is the regular size. It always throws me for a loop.
Get a ife broseph
Thanks
It just goes to show that there are some positives to interacting with the JS Online commenters.
Get a ife broseph
No
it looks like he may have gotten ‘a ife’, though.
I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."
~Jeff Sackmann
by Charlie Marlow on Nov 30, 2009 3:55 PM CST up reply actions
That's a fair point.
It was presumptuous of me to think that the guy meant “life.” Perhaps he meant to type “wife.” Or “fife,” as in former Indiana Hoosier Dane Fife. I think we’d all be well-served if we got a fife.
Broseph.
I assumed that he was referring to Dane Fife
Which is why I reached out to the IPFW basketball coach over the Thanksgiving weekend and talked things over. We’re all good now.
Get a ife broseph
Building Bridges Since 2009:
the JSOnline Commentariet.
(I suppose: “Putting an End to Fife Strife” would also work, but it’s cornier.)
Get a wife
I may start using that phrase
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Only if you'd had too much to think.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Quite frequently there would be a little mix-up...
and one or two homestyle fries would wind up in my curly fries. However, that was years ago, and I can’t recall my opinion of them, other than that it would not make me quit ordering the curly fries.
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