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Pitching: Concentration vs. Skill

This is outside my normal realm of analysis, but it's something I've wanted to address for a while. I'll get some Arizona Fall League Pitch F/x stuff up later in this week or early next week for sure.

I'm not too much of a pitcher, but I sometimes get that role in stickball games. I often struggle with my control. I'm inside, outside, high, and low. It really has nothing to do with my concentration or mental ability. It has a lot to do with my ability to throw a ball where I want to throw it. 

If a quarterback misses on a throw, we don't accuse him of being a head-case. If a shooting gaurd misses a three, we don't accuse him of being a head-case. So what's my point here? Control is a skill, just like pitching velocity is a skill and pitch movement is a skill. An argument can be made that the control skill is in a way dependent on a pitcher's concentration, focus, and mental clarity, but then again, almost all skill actions in sports are. 

We can acknowledge that pitchers like Manny Parra and also Yovani Gallardo have some problems with their control. It's not only measured by walks per inning but in general, better control sets up better success in getting strikeouts and groundballs-- the two best things a pitcher can do to help their success. But I don't think we need to assume that the control problems are the result of mental issues. It's not fair to the pitchers.

Concentration is an important part of athletics. The ability to concentrate is paired with a physical ability to make our world-class athletes what they are. A hitter must be able to swing a bat incredibly quickly, have fast reflexes and instincts, and be able to have the mental awareness and concentration to connect with a ball. In the same way, a pitcher needs to have the physical ability to throw a ball very hard, the ability to throw it where he wants to, and the concentration to not lapse in his mechanics and throw a poor pitch. 

Pitchers are not in a unique situation that they can somehow become better by thinking harder and clearer. Pitching control is a skill. It's possible to improve control, just as it's possible to improve velocity or a hitter's swing. It's not fair to blame a pitcher's mentality or attitude for having less than stellar control unless we know something specific. It's not a logical way of looking at the problem when you compare pitchers to other types of athletes.  

Criticism of pitch sequencing and selection is another issue entirely. Pitchers, catchers, and the coaching staff work together to come up with a plan before the game-- it's not as if a pitcher like Parra decides what to throw on the fly. If there are issues in this area, they need to begin changing with the coaching staff and catcher.

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On that same note, Parra has shown very good control ability before getting to the Majors. Perhaps AAA hitters swing at more bad pitches, but his walk rate has gone up immensely since leaving the minors. There has to be another factor other than talent.

by cwolf20 on Nov 5, 2009 5:00 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well

I don’t think saying someone has mental issues (confidence, concentration, whatever) is pejorative in the sense of equating them with being a “head-case”…

The actual physical act of pitching is a skill which operates on an unconscious, motor-functional level, but obviously that can be affected (in terms of control or even velocity) based on your mental state. Maybe “mentality/attitude” are the wrong words, but how a pitcher “feels” in a game-situation absolutely affects their control and effectiveness. The ability to shut-out nervousness, pressure, anxiety, etc. on the mound in a high-leverage situation in front of 30,000 people is a separate skill from the physical ability to pitch well. It’s not an insult or personal criticism to suggest that somebody who we all know is good at the motor-skill of throwing/locating pitches (i.e. – Parra) might need to work on the tangential skill of being able to calm down and do what he’s capable of doing in a game situation. Nor is it an assessment in any way of his “mental ability” – that’s an assessment of psychology about two centuries outdated…

(And also, I think people do make the same distinctions when they classify basketball players or quarterbacks for being good/bad under pressure or at the free-throw line or whatever)

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by SRB on Nov 5, 2009 5:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I don't think anyone argued that control and location weren't skills in previous discussions of this topic.

Maybe I’m remembering wrong. Of course accuracy and control are skills that can be developed. But, like virtually any other human endeavor, the ability to develop that skill can be negatively impacted by problems with attitude, outlook and psychological tendencies that might make it more difficult to develop and consistently display those skills. Just because it’s learned behavior doesn’t mean a player’s psychology can’t play a role in his inability to learn the behavior.

Here’s a non-athletic real life comparison: when I was in law school I participated in a clinic that got law students into court rooms to get some real life experience. Almost uniformly, the people in that clinic were intelligent, talented folks. We had practice sessions with professors and lawyers who were experts in the field and even off duty judges, and everyone did well.

Then the real life court appearances came, and about 10% of the class fell apart. One guy, who had done very well in the practice sessions, even getting compliments from the off duty judge, locked up entirely and stared at the table unable. He panicked. Finally the superising attorney stepped in and did the hearing. The guy tried a couple more times on other days, but experienced similar problems (though less dramatic). He graduate with his JD and never practiced as a lawyer for a single day, in part because of his inability to execute hearings he was perfectly capable fo executing. That didn’t make him weak, or a head case, or nuts, or a bad guy. He just had a hang up he needed to overcome, but he opted to do something else instead. My guess is he would have made another choice if he had the potential to make millions as a pitcher…

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 5, 2009 6:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Very interesting example, thank you for sharing.

Just curious, are you a practicing lawyer?

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by Michael M on Nov 5, 2009 7:01 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah.

And I proofread my filings, unlike my comments. “… to executing” and “table unable”, what a moron.

What begins in fear usually ends in folly.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Nov 6, 2009 1:04 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I like the example

One thing I am going to bring up is that though I don’t know exactly, I would assume the minors and development track of players weeds out players that really can’t handle pressure. Heck, you could even say that high school does. The fact that Parra has pitched his way to the majors and has successfully pitched in pressure situations before seems to discredit the idea that he specifically has a bigger problem handling pressure. These are the best baseball players in the world. I’d think your analogy is more like getting into a game the first time. I do agree that some players can handle pressure better than others, but I think at the Major League level, if we rated that ability on a 0 to 100 scale, your people that were unable to even think or act were well below 50 but by the majors our only sample of guys are from about 80-100.

I’m completely rambling and I am not set at all on these opinions. Just throwing ideas out there. Feel free to tell me if anyone thinks I’m wrong.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Nov 5, 2009 9:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"Headcase"

Generally, a negative connotation, the same way “crazy” and “nuts” are.

If you want to be rude/mean, you can refer to Dontrelle Willis as a “headcase”. He, quite publicly, has a social-anxiety disorder.

Stress is something one must learn to deal with. Some handle it very well, some handle it poorly. Some (like our li’l Manny) give the appearance of folding like a lawn chair when the pressure is turned up. To most folks, that seems to suggest he does not handle stress very well.

As cliche as it is, the ‘power of positive thinking’ can do wonders. Only Manny knows what’s going on in his head. If he’s supremely negative about his failure to execute pitches, he can load up a self-fulfilling prophecy.

I think assuming there is zero mental aspect with regard to the body/mind’s reaction in stress-laden situations is silly.

I don’t have a category for "washed-up guys who may or may not be dominant big-league closers sometime soon."

~Jeff Sackmann

by Charlie Marlow on Nov 5, 2009 7:33 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

so...

Concentration is a skill, but isn’t mental?

wait, what?

Yes, you’re right…it’s also possible that when a pitcher does poorly because of their “god-given” abilities and training failed them or they have a small sore muscle or because no one has pin-point control pitch after pitch after pitch. But part of the game is mental as you basically acknowledged – being able to concentrate after doing poorly one pitch and being able to focus on each of the next 10 pitches one at a time.

by PagsBrewCrew on Nov 5, 2009 8:33 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Concentration is a skill, and it is mental

but I don’t know why some people single out pitchers. I think it’s easy to say that a pitcher’s control issues are just mental. As has been pointed out, pitching mechanics are basically subconscious. Is it possible that Parra isn’t able to focus as much as some other pitchers? Sure, but we really have no evidence of that, and his track record of good control in the minors doesn’t support that either.

And I also want to point out that the viewpoint that I really disagree with is the Rambling Al-type dismissal of Parra because he’s apparently a “headcase”. That’s terrible analysis and not fair to anyone.

E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).

by Jordan M on Nov 5, 2009 9:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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by PagsBrewCrew on Nov 5, 2009 8:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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Any second now.

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by TheJay on Nov 5, 2009 9:45 PM CST up reply actions   1 recs


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