Making Your '00 Face: Our first backup infielder
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 15, 2009 4:00 PM CST
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PrintWith the '00's almost behind us, it's time to take a look back and work together to make a BCB All Decade team for the '00s. Each day, we'll tackle a new position, and we'll have our 25 man roster complete sometime around the 1st of the year.
The concept here is pretty simple. Each day, I'll give you a list of candidates: For position players, it's the full list of players who appeared in at least 100 games at the position during the '00s. Here are the players we've selected so far:
First Base: Prince Fielder
Second Base: Rickie Weeks
Shortstop: J.J. Hardy
Third Base: Bill Hall
Corner Outfield: Ryan Braun
Center Field: Mike Cameron
Catcher: Damian Miller
Voting for our final starting outfielder opened yesterday and will close at 4 pm tomorrow. Today we'll select our first backup infielder:
Seasons as a Brewer: 3, 2004-2005, 2008
Slash line as a Brewer: ..248/.351/.526
UZR (Fielding) as a Brewer: -9.1 runs
WAR as a Brewer: 1.7
Seasons as a Brewer: 4, 2004, 2007-2009
Slash line as a Brewer: .247/.341/.338
UZR (Fielding) as a Brewer: +8.5 runs
WAR as a Brewer: 5
Seasons as a Brewer: 3, 2000-2002
Slash line as a Brewer: .261/.324/.434
UZR (Fielding) as a Brewer: +4.7 runs*
WAR as a Brewer: 5.8
* - FanGraphs only has UZR data dating back to 2002, so only Hernandez's 2002 season is included here.
Seasons as a Brewer: 3, 2000-2002*
Slash line as a Brewer: .281/.348/.374
UZR (Fielding) as a Brewer: -2.7 runs**
WAR as a Brewer: 1.8
* - Loretta was also a Brewer from 1995-1999, but those numbers aren't included here.
** - Again, FanGraphs only has UZR data from 2002 forward, so only Loretta's 2002 season is included here.
Seasons as a Brewer: 3, 2000-2002*
Slash line as a Brewer: .251/.327/.384
UZR (Fielding) as a Brewer: -6.9 runs**
WAR as a Brewer: 2.9
* - Belliard was also a Brewer in 1998 and 1999. All stats here only reflect his performance from 2000-2009.
** - FanGraphs only has UZR dating back to 2002, so Belliard's 2000 and 2001 performances are not reflected in this total.
Seasons as a Brewer: 3, 2002-2004
Slash line as a Brewer: .257/.344/.448
UZR (Fielding) as a Brewer: -0.9 runs
WAR as a Brewer: 3.1
Seasons as a Brewer: 2, 2002-2003
Slash line as a Brewer: .271/.340/.392
UZR (Fielding) as a Brewer: -6.7 runs
WAR as a Brewer: 2.6
Seasons as a Brewer: 2, 2004-2005
Slash line as a Brewer: .256/.337/.400
UZR (Fielding) as a Brewer: +8.2 runs
WAR as a Brewer: 1.2
Seasons as a Brewer: 4, 2000-2003
Slash line as a Brewer: .276/.366/.536
UZR (Fielding) as a Brewer: -10.6 runs*
WAR as a Brewer: 10.2
* - FanGraphs only has UZR data since 2002, so this number does not reflect Sexson's 2000 and 2001 performances.
Seasons as a Brewer: 2, 2004-2005
Slash line as a Brewer: .289/.376/.464
UZR (Fielding) as a Brewer: -12.3 runs
WAR as a Brewer: 4.6
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I would like to vote for Overbay. How many backup infielders do we have?
My next two votes would go to Counsell and Loretta.
Wasn’t Cirillo on the team in the 00’s?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
You should vote for Branyan
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by Fatter than Joey on Dec 15, 2009 4:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You're right, I should.
I forgot I voted for him for 3B and he didn’t win. He’ll get my second vote.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Dec 15, 2009 4:34 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
You are my hero.
I owe you a beer
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by Fatter than Joey on Dec 15, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you vote for Branyan?
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by Fatter than Joey on Dec 15, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions
Problem is
If Sexson wins over Counsell here (or anyone who can’t play short, for that matter), we’ll need to limit the second backup spot to players who can play short, or we won’t have a backup there.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
That's what I'm saying!
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 9:21 PM CST up reply actions
I don't know
But Gorman’s new collar looks fantastic.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
You are my deputy hero.
I owe you a beer as well.
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by Fatter than Joey on Dec 15, 2009 7:20 PM CST up reply actions
Zounds!
Kids these days.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 11:38 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not.
I will take his as well as mine.
Problem, solved.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Two
And Cirillo didn’t log 100 games at any position in the ’00s.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Branyan's got my vote
… in the next backup IF vote
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Dec 15, 2009 9:06 PM CST up reply actions
Why are people voting for Richie Sexson?
Prince is going to play 160 games, Bill Hall on the other hand will play in 40 games, bat .187 and then get DFA’d — We need 3b depth.
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by Fatter than Joey on Dec 15, 2009 4:53 PM CST reply actions
I get that CC is a really good dude, and had a career year in 2009
But doesn’t Richie Sexson really deserve this more?
Really?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
No.
But I guess it comes down to whether you’re trying to build an actual (pretend) team or just picking the guys you think are the best players of the decade. If it’s the former, CC’s your guy because he can play all 4 infield positions instead of just 1 behind your best positional player whom you’re never going to rest anyway.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 15, 2009 8:22 PM CST up reply actions
I guess
I thought it was just voting on the guys you thought were the best of the decade. I guess if you’re talking best bench player Sexson shouldn’t be there. But, honestly, he was a great big part of the team in some of those dark years, and to not make the All Decade Team because he couldn’t hope to beat out Fielder is silly.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
well, the poll does say "first" backup infielder
That implies a second. Sexson is more productive, but Counsell is more useful.
Sometimes I wonder if we here at Brew Crew Ball
would prefer just the best UZR performing players at every position.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
I truly appreciate the tongue-in-cheek
but I think my comment has some validity. I’m a victim of it as well. That’s sort of the problem with having a pretty darn well-informed community—we all want to use the advanced metrics to analyze players. I know I was blasted a bit for making a long post about having emotional attachments to the team and specific players, but I don’t know that voting for one guy over another based just on his numbers is the way to go.
I’m not saying that you or someone else can’t do that, just for me I’ll be voting with some emotional bias on these :)
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 11:40 PM CST up reply actions
I feel the same way about Lyle Overbay....
… and it’s pretty much why I still hate Jose Hernandez even though I now realize, in retrospect, that his K’s weren’t as crippling as they seemed to me at the time.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 16, 2009 7:04 AM CST up reply actions
I voted Counsell because he's got more value/use than Sexson
Agree 100%
Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take ten paces back.
The coolest motherfunker on the planet.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Dec 15, 2009 10:56 PM CST up reply actions
^drunk
lol
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 11:41 PM CST up reply actions
Yes. Yes I was. My comment still stands
Be cool, and relax. Take a breath, take ten paces back.
The coolest motherfunker on the planet.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Dec 16, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions
Ginter
Really – who voted for Keith Ginter?
by Saberilliterate on Dec 15, 2009 4:57 PM CST reply actions
Why the hatred for Ginter?
The guy OPSed .792 with the Brewers — he wasn’t that bad.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 15, 2009 4:59 PM CST up reply actions
Sexson OPS'd .902
I’m not sayin’, just sayin’.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 5:30 PM CST up reply actions
Overbay only OPS'd .840
but, man, did he ever put the ball in the gaps. Plus, his sweet cheer was worth at least .075 OPS points.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Dec 15, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
But Branyan hti the longest HR in Miller Park's illustrious history!
All Sexson did was hit some flag pole for a triple.
And, for a real argument in Branyans favor over Sexson.
If this were a real team, you already have Fielder starting basically all the games at 1B, which is the only position Sexson can play, if we are only counting times when they played with the Brewers. Branyan can play first and third along with a little bit of the outfield as well!
You're forgetting how awesome Branyan is again
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Dec 15, 2009 6:17 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
No
Branyan’s awesomeness is not forgotten. He can be an NRI to All Decade Team ST.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 8:17 PM CST up reply actions
I want to know who voted for Junior Spivey?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 15, 2009 8:24 PM CST up reply actions
BTW
Did anyone else reverse the pig latin in Overbay’s surname and call him Bover? or was that just me?
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Dec 16, 2009 9:22 AM CST reply actions 2 recs
Just you.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
I wonder where Bjason will sign with this offseason.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Obviously, it's a little trivial
But over 400 people have voted and people have posted 50+ comments about it, so it appears people are finding some relevance/entertainment in it.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
Because it's December and there's little else to talk about?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 16, 2009 2:23 PM CST up reply actions
It is soul-crushing that Russell Branyan is in 5th place.
Seriously. Where would Sexson and Overbay play if this were an actual team? Nowhere!! Whereas Branyan would steal the 3rd base job from Bill Hall within two weeks.
Don't look at me.
I didn’t vote for Bill Hall. :)
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 16, 2009 2:24 PM CST up reply actions
They would play the power off the bench
Useful for the exhibition homer- and double-off following the 12th.
Are there other SBN pages doing a decade team?
Can we trade hall to them?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
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