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Some things to read while she digs for her phone.

It's finally time to back off the comments about Randy Wolf not wanting to be here. Wolf said all the right things in his introductory press conference yesterday, and now actually appears happy to be a Brewer. Jen Lada was also at the press conference, and tweeted four quotes giving a nice feel for Wolf and the organization's excitement to have him.

The Brewers also announced Craig Counsell's new deal yesterday (FanShot). Counsell will earn $2.1 million next season along with some playing time incentives. The Bucky Channel says moves like this one are "crucial when trying to make a smaller market team a contender." Fire Doug Melvin is fine with the move, as long as Counsell doesn't take playing time away from Mat Gamel.

With Wolf and Counsell officially on board and LaTroy Hawkins (physical on Wednesday) and Claudio Vargas (physical on Friday) expected to be added by the end of the week, Adam McCalvy notes that the Brewer 40 man roster is about to be full, which might mark the end of any major Brewer moves in free agency. Two notes on that:

  • If you're still waiting for the Brewers to sign another starting pitcher, odds are you'll be waiting for a while. Adam McCalvy said Doug Melvin probably regrets comments he made months ago suggesting the Brewers were looking to sign two starters.
  • Secondly, the 40 man roster may be full, but it's a "soft" full. Room could almost certainly be made by outrighting new acquisition Luis Cruz or Tim Dillard, who would most likely go unclaimed at a time of year when no one has many 40 man spots to spare.

The roster crunch was one of the reasons cited for non-tendering Mike Rivera. Brewed Sports isn't too happy with the decision, and also notes that non-tendering the team's lone returning catcher pokes a hole in arguments used to support starting Jason Kendall last season.

Speaking of crowded situations, you can add David Riske to the list of pitchers to pencil into a bullpen spot to start the season. Doug Melvin said Riske expects to be ready for spring training (FanShot). That's bad news for Chris Smith, Chris Narveson, Zach Braddock and Chuck Lofgren, among others, who now may be fighting for one roster spot. If Mark DiFelice hadn't gone down, they'd all come to Maryvale on the outside looking in. A lot can happen between now and then, of course.

And speaking of Chris Smith, Brewerfan.net asked someone from the Brewer organization to verify some of their option info, and discovered that Smith doesn't have any options left. Obviously, Smith wouldn't be a major loss, but it's possible someone would claim him if he were available.

Meanwhile, we reached the final conclusion of the Mike Cameron era in Milwaukee yesterday, as he agreed to a two year deal with the Red Sox (FanShot). Cameron's strikeouts and one memorable dropped fly ball made him a polarizing talent as a Brewer, but most advanced metrics seem to agree on his significant value, and you'll rarely hear anything negative said about him as a teammate and clubhouse presence. If you missed it last night, Jordan has a goodbye post for him.

How lucky are the Brewers to have Ryan Braun? I think we occasionally forget how rare it is for a player to have an impact as immediate as his in the major leagues. Braun hit the second most home runs of any major leaguer in their first 162 games, and also collected the tenth most hits, making him the only player to appear on both lists.

Speaking of luck, Braden Looper's 14 wins last season made him the most unlikely winner in major league history.

Another day, another new poll for our BCB All Decade Team. You have until 4 pm today to select a catcher, and until 4 pm tomorrow to select our final starting outfielder. So far Damian Miller and Geoff Jenkins are leading those votes, respectively.

After looking at the candidates at catcher, I'm starting to wish I had gone this route instead: Camden Chat has an All-Awful lineup for the 2000-2009 Orioles.

And actually, speaking of awful: Rob Neyer has a ranking of the Top 100 players of the 2000's, and while former Brewers CC Sabathia (#25), Mike Cameron (#36), Ray Durham (#71), Jose Valentin (#88) and Corey Koskie (#92) are on it, Prince Fielder is nowhere to be found.

Around baseball:

Angels: Signed Hideki Matsui to a one year, $6.5 million deal.
Astros: Re-signed outfielder Jason Michaels to a one year deal.
Blue Jays: Signed catcher Ramon Castro to a one year, $1 million deal.
Mariners: Signed catcher Eliezer Alfonzo to a minor league deal.
Marlins: Signed pitcher Clay Hensley to a minor league deal.

Of course, the biggest transaction "announced" yesterday appears to be far from done, and may take several days to be made official: A three way deal would send Roy Halladay to the Phillies, Cliff Lee to the Mariners and prospects to the Blue Jays. You might recognize this trade as one several bloggers mocked Ken Rosenthal for suggesting over the weekend. I guess he knows something after all.

Happy birthday today to 2005-2006 Brewer Rick Helling, who turns 39.

Drink up.

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TLR is going to be on it

Maybe he’ll get MLB to address on-field celebrations and shirt untucking.

Get a ife broseph

by Supertramp on Dec 15, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

That's what bothers me.

TLR is the opposite of what I want to see on the field.

by Mykenk on Dec 15, 2009 9:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Since La Russa is the only name I've heard announced

I’m wondering if “panel” is code for an intervention.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 15, 2009 11:01 AM CST up reply actions  

La Russa, Torre, Leylan, Scioscia...

Apparently they’re forming a manager frat.

by Mykenk on Dec 15, 2009 11:09 AM CST up reply actions  

It looked as if

the Phillies were getting Halladay AND a couple prospects. And apparently Halladay will agree to a 3/60 extension.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 9:50 AM CST reply actions  

Yep. Lee for Halladay, pretty much.

Phil’s giving Toronto some prospects, but getting some from Seattle + cash.

by Mykenk on Dec 15, 2009 9:52 AM CST up reply actions  

From the Wolf article

Brewers closer Trevor Hoffman joined the sales pitch in a 45-minute conversation with Wolf about playing in Milwaukee.

Think we should view some of Hoffman’s 2010 salary as an unintentional contribution to Wolf’s acquisition? Glad to hear more confirmation that Hoffman’s quite happy to be in Milwaukee.

by ecocd on Dec 15, 2009 9:54 AM CST reply actions  

Or we could view some of Wolf's excess salary

as an unintentional contribution to the Wolf acquisition.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Dec 15, 2009 9:57 AM CST up reply actions  

We did over pay..

Both in raw dollars and years. But not by a ton.. I think it’s an acceptable over pay.

by SgtClueLs on Dec 15, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions  

Just an excuse for FA to get more money...

Like I said… acceptable over pay. We aren’t the most glamorous team in the world, but won’t he simply go where the money is? If I got two offers, 9m and 9.5m, wouldn’t I got to the one that makes me more money? It’s not like Cameron went to the BoSox cheaper then he could have resigned here.

by SgtClueLs on Dec 15, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions  

I think this theory of a small market premium is overstated

A player only HAS to be in his home team’s city maybe 100 days a year. I’m sure there’s a few guys who might put a lot of value in playing where they want to but the simple solution is to simply not sign those guys! If Wolf had wanted an extra $2 mil a year to play in Milwaukee, Melvin should have looked elsewhere.

And it’s not like the Brewers are perennial losers anymore, which was always part of the “The Brewers have to pay a premium” theory.

by rluzinski on Dec 15, 2009 12:31 PM CST up reply actions  

The small market premium

Has to do with advertising dollars available. You can promote yourself more and make more money through lucrative endorsement contracts. Therefore, if a player signs for 9 Million in New York, it is feasible they will make a higher “salary” in New York than they would in Milwaukee if they sign for 9 Million, because they will have the opportunity for more endorsement money in New York, therefore the small market clubs need to pay more actual cash to make up the difference……..

In theory…..

Personally, I think we got hosed on that one! - Harry Doyle

by reverse24 on Dec 15, 2009 12:49 PM CST up reply actions  

I don't think that really applies to someone like Wolf, though

Or really, any mid-level talent.

Sure, there aren’t as many endorsement opportunities in Milwaukee as there might be in New York or LA, but has there ever really been a huge market for Randy Wolf’s services as a endorser?

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 15, 2009 12:59 PM CST up reply actions  

Who knows.

Geoff Jenkins, Bill Hall, Carlos Villenueva & more have all gotten advertising dollars whilst a member of the brewers.

by Mykenk on Dec 15, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Jeff Cirillo too

"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome

by zsxander567 on Dec 15, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions  

I think it may have to do with name recognition as well

Obviously it’s tempered now by the internet and fantasy baseball allowing people to focus more on who’s the 25th man and fourth closer option of each team in the league, but I think it still holds somewhat true. Playing in a bigger city means more exposure translating directly into advertising or even All-Star appearances or it can help post-career in other business ventures.

I don’t think it’s a deal-breaker either way, but I’m sure it factors in a little bit.

by TheJay on Dec 15, 2009 1:48 PM CST up reply actions  

Do players move to their Team's city?

If Wolf would consider actually moving to Milwaukee for 3 years, wouldn’t the cost of living be enormously different compared to L.A. or New York? Income tax would have to be at least a little more favorable in Milwaukee, right?

Even a 1% difference would be noticeable, right? It seems to me that $30 million in Milwaukee dollars is worth a lot more than $30 million in New York or California dollars.

by ecocd on Dec 15, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions  

Right?

It’s not possible to ask more questions in a post, right? I mean, I could try, right?

by ecocd on Dec 15, 2009 2:57 PM CST up reply actions  

The union exerts incredible pressure on players to take the highest deal

so they become the new baseline. Overpaying the market is about the only way a small market team can improve their chances of signing their most desired target.

When there is a scuffle in Ireland, there’s no need to specifically mention in the news story that alcohol was involved

by Getting Yosted on Dec 15, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions  

No, primarily because I think the money spoke more

But also because that seems a convenient way to rationalize paying so much for a closer after settling for half the starting pitching wanted two months ago.

by TheJay on Dec 15, 2009 10:11 AM CST up reply actions  

Convenience is my middle name

I prefer simple ways to rationalize decisions and live in blissful ignorance the fact that, just like last year, we have absolutely 0 depth in the starting rotation (negative depth if you count Suppan).

You need to drink more Kool-Aid. C’mon. You know you want to. Give it a try. One drink can’t hurt, right?

by ecocd on Dec 15, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions  

I like it

Eco Convenience D

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Dec 15, 2009 3:57 PM CST up reply actions  

Hey KL

Did my case for Larkin bring you around to spending a vote of yours on him?

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Dec 15, 2009 10:20 AM CST reply actions  

It did

Thanks for reminding me, I haven’t cast my ballot yet. I ended up with:

Roberto Alomar
Bert Blyleven
Edgar Martinez
Mark McGwire
Tim Raines
Barry Larkin

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 15, 2009 10:52 AM CST up reply actions  

This is an excellent list.

I would still like Trammell moved up to the maybes. :)

by Braunstalker on Dec 15, 2009 11:14 AM CST up reply actions  

I agree

but I think his late career swoon with injuries keeps him out.

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on Dec 15, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions  

Props on the Photo/Caption!

Applying Simpsons and Star Wars quotes to Brewers discussions since 2009.

by Yar Nivek on Dec 15, 2009 10:46 AM CST reply actions  

"Cameron's strikeouts and one memorable dropped fly ball made him a polarizing talent as a Brewer"

Was this line included just for WSB Chris?

Plus, I’m not sure why Melvin would regret saying we needed two starting pitchers. We do, or did, so get it done Doug!

battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm

by Michael M on Dec 15, 2009 11:14 AM CST reply actions  

There are others who don't like Cameron

Although there aren’t many who dislike him so loudly.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 15, 2009 11:15 AM CST up reply actions  

Agreed

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 4:49 PM CST up reply actions  

Who would make that all awful team?

Besides Jeffrey Hammonds, of course…

C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk

by alkaseitzer on Dec 15, 2009 11:48 PM CST reply actions  

Suppan, Hall..

oh wait… Hall made the Good team……………………….. /facepalm

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Dec 16, 2009 12:56 AM CST up reply actions  

You're saying he can't make both?

I’d say Hall’s a prime candidate for making both teams.

by ecocd on Dec 16, 2009 6:59 AM CST up reply actions  

Off the top of my head:

C: Chad Moeller
1B: Wes Helms
2B: Ronnie Belliard
SS: Royce Clayton
3B: Bill Hall
LF: Brady Clark
CF: Alex Sanchez
RF: Corey Hart

With a starting rotation of Ruben Quevedo, Jimmy Haynes, Jamey Wright, Matt Kinney and Jeff Suppan, this team might win 40 games.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 16, 2009 9:20 AM CST up reply actions  

Crap

Scratch Jamey Wright and give me Wayne Franklin in the rotation.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 16, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

And Jeffrey Hammonds in place of Hart in right, too.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 16, 2009 9:21 AM CST up reply actions  

I was gonna say.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Dec 16, 2009 4:07 PM CST up reply actions  

Catcher would be a tight race

Kendall and Estrada might be too fresh in people’s memories and beat out Moeller.

Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".

by tcyoung on Dec 16, 2009 4:08 PM CST up reply actions  

apparently you are forgetting that Chad Moeller hit for the cycle.

"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."

~Doug Melvin

by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 4:09 PM CST up reply actions  

Here's one for TheJay

Lowest career OBP for someone who hit for the cycle? Moeller has to have it locked up.

That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.

by Kyle Lobner on Dec 16, 2009 4:39 PM CST up reply actions  

Carlos Gomez?

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on Dec 16, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions  

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