Rumorville: Brandon Morrow
by LALOffice on Dec 15, 2009 6:40 PM CST
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PrintAccording to Ken Rosenthal of Fox Sports, the Brewers and Mariners continue to have discussions about starter Brandon Morrow. http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/121409-Latest-MLB-buzz (at bottom of page, 12:14am)
Melvin and Jack Z worked closely on the 2006 draft and Zduriencik knows how much Melvin likes Brandon Morrow. He probably figures he can cash in his Morrow trade chip with the Brewers any time. But what are the Brewers willing to part with in this deal? The Mariners aren't looking for prospects now that they have Cliff Lee for 2010.
Twitter update from Lookout Landing: "Can we just concede that Morrow will be traded to Milwaukee?"
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I'm sure Jack wouldn't mine replenishing some of the prospects he gave up yesterday
he knows our farm system in and out. I’m guessing he’d go after some lower level guys.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Thing I worry about is ...
Jack Z would fleece us in any deal, because he’s such a better GM than Melvin is.
by MooseHaas on Dec 15, 2009 2:46 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
I feel like he'll dig through our depths trying to find hidden gems that only he would know about
He might be fleecing us, but I don’t think we’ll realize it at the time.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I was worried about that too
But then I realized it’s not like Jack Z was the only guy who had any knowledge of the Brewers’ system. Chances are, if he thought a guy was good, it was partly because the Brewers’ scouts said so. And those scouts are still with the Brewers. So I can’t imagine there are good guys in the Brewers’ system that only Z and no one else would know about.
by Cheeseandcorn on Dec 16, 2009 6:37 PM CST up reply actions
Also it sort of remains to be seen
whether Jack Z was just not that good at identifying pitching talent, or whether he was directed by The Mustache to focus on identifying positional talent. I’m guessing its probably the latter, as all hit no pitch bad defense ballclubs are sort of on Melvin’s resume.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 9:10 PM CST up reply actions
It's like he says what everyone else is thinking!
…
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 15, 2009 6:43 PM CST up reply actions
ha
also, ha
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 8:19 PM CST up reply actions
Because the Brewers need to bolster their bullpen?
I think the Bullpen is set. Why would the Brewers be pursuing yet another bullpen arm, even a good young one? Doesn’t make any sense to me.
Morrow would be a starter.
Which means one of Suppan/Bush is gone, hopefully Soup.
The Mariners need a DH, 1B, and LF, so Gamel could immediately fit in to either of the first two, probably. I think that if I were the Brewers I would offer that trade.
i like morrow..
but if i were DM, i keep gamel almost as untouchable as they come. i cant wait to see how this kid can produce when he actually gets some quality PT. i say we just offer up prince for king felix, then work out an extension with the king lol )
by BrewerBlue87 on Dec 15, 2009 3:16 PM CST up reply actions
add the Phillies
They can take Cliff Lee and sign him to an extension, we’ll take King Felix, and the Mariners get halladay.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I really like Morrow's upside
But he’s not worth Gamel.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I guess I am not as big a fan of Gamel as most people.
Don’t get me wrong, I would prefer him to get the starting job at 3B next year, but I personally would probably trade him for Morrow. Then again, if I were actually a GM of a baseball team I would certainly do a lot more research and put a lot more thought into an actual trade than I am now and that could make me think otherwise.
I keep wondering who's going to play 1B for the Brewers and offer Braun some protection in 2012 if we deal Gamel for pitching...
I dunno. Maybe he’d be a disaster given a real shot anyway, but I question whether the Brewers know the answer to that question either.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 15, 2009 7:08 PM CST up reply actions
I wonder that too
I really get the sense that there’s isn’t a plan for Gamel yet. They sooo could have handled him better.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
I think there are two plans
1) take over for Hart, lock up fielder long term
2) take over for Fielder if Prince cannot be locked up long term.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Do we guess on the Vegas odds for those?
- 5000:1
- 2:1
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 9:18 PM CST up reply actions
most likely,
but then again, I’ve only heard melvin hint at the first one.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I'm surprised KL hasn't slammed you boys for considering Gamel in the OF!
I think those odds are probably about right. We need to get something for Prince before he flies out east!
It was never mentioned until the org, themselves, mentioned it.
He’s struggled pretty mightily at 3rd through the minors, so it would be a disservice not to consider him in the OF.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
^this
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 11:35 PM CST up reply actions
I, for one am not sold at all on the notion that they won't sign Fielder to an extension
The Jorge Says No! article about how giving Wolf a third year eliminates signing Prince to an extension was one of the most ridiculous things I’ve ever read. There’s simply no way that spending 9 million in one year strikes a 5 year 100 million dollar deal or whatever it would be. They could easily shed that in salary. Also it seems to be the moustache’s intention to resign Fielder, just because he’s a big name player doesn’t mean he can’t spend the best years of his career with us. I can’t think of anything baseball needs more than a salary cap.
by Donald Driver on Dec 15, 2009 10:36 PM CST up reply actions
Represented by Scott Boras
and the (arguably) best 1B in baseball? I’m pretty sure he’s going to see what’s offered him on the open market.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 11:36 PM CST up reply actions
Fielder is better than Pujols?
I think you could make an arguement for the 2nd best 1B in baseball though.
I would be shocked if Fielder does not see what he can get on the open market.
Staying on Pujols, he signed a seven year extension in a similar position as Fielder (roughly the same age, both coming off a couple near-misses for MVP).
If Milwaukee wants to extend Fielder, they will be able to. An offer made a year or so before he hits the open market and at a reasonable price (ie – $17-20 million per year, 5+ years, not a low-ball offer) isn’t going to get turned down. The decision is in the Brewers’ court, whether or not they want to (or can, I guess) go that high is the only question for me.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Not only do I disagree
I think sticking 25% of your annual payroll into one player’s contract will utterly cripple a small market team.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 11:31 AM CST up reply actions
Having Fielder
theoretically=more wins+bigger name=more revenue=higher payroll. I’m tired of being a small market team.
by Donald Driver on Dec 16, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions
I think you're cheering for the wrong team, then
Milwaukee will never have the TV revenues that places like New York and Boston do.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 3:05 PM CST up reply actions
Not really
its just not realistic to think that the Brewers will ever be able to compete, revenue-wise, with the huge markets.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 17, 2009 12:42 AM CST up reply actions
yeah, there simply isn't a large enough population in Milwaukee.
Charlie’s not being negative, he’s just telling the truth.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I would just like to be a middle-market team
that would be enough, and that’s what I was saying. It’s not all population though, just look at the 5th most urbanized city in America: Miami, home of the Marlins, who once dreamed of selling out a world series game.
by Donald Driver on Dec 18, 2009 2:50 AM CST up reply actions
If the Marlins
were seriously concerned about filling their stadium, they would go out and sign Chapman no matter the cost.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 18, 2009 7:34 AM CST up reply actions
In terms of "what is a big TV market"
it is all population. What are the biggest markets? New York, Los Angeles, Chicago. Those teams have the largest payrolls. You’ve got all of New England watching Boston play.. Sure it’s not a 1 to 1 deal; Miami’s a big market, but for whatever reason, they don’t care for baseball, but you’ll never see Milwaukee, or Minnesota, on the list of biggest market or biggest payroll.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Like tcyoung said
its not about anything other than how many people live in the television market. If Milwaukee suddenly experiences an influx of, say, 9 million baseball fans eager to watch the Brewers, it could happen.
Some folks like to make the argument that the Packers have the smallest market in sports, and they do very well. While both of those statements are true, that’s certainly an apples to watermelons argument.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 18, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions
there's market size and there's team following...
… which are 2 different things. But the primary difference between the Packers and the Brewers is that the vast majority of the NFL’s media revenue is generated as a league, rather than on a team by team basis as it is in the MLB, and the revenue is completely shared.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 18, 2009 8:57 AM CST up reply actions
Yep
Thus, apples to watermelons.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 18, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions
Whoops yeah that's a typo
It was meant to read “2nd best”
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 11:30 AM CST up reply actions
I wish
We could move Hart to center and have Gamel in right. Then we could have an all-ex-third-basemen-in-the-minors outfield.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Only Hart is ugly . . .
the other two are actually kinda cute. ;)
Wolf out. Hawk in(s).
by baumann on Dec 18, 2009 10:05 PM CST via mobile up reply actions
I have to think
Salome is another internal option for replacing Fielder.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 15, 2009 9:23 PM CST up reply actions
I'm not saying it's my preferred option
The way I see it, the odds of him sticking at catcher are pretty slim (although his value is greatly increased if he can). Outside of sticking him at first I don’t see him finding any other positions on a NL team, leaving him as trade bait.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 15, 2009 9:31 PM CST up reply actions
I think Salome will end up in Seattle somehow...
… I don’t think the Brewers have any idea what to do with him and he ends up as a throw in on a larger deal or a below the radar off season trade for their worst reliever next offseason.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 16, 2009 6:30 AM CST up reply actions
That's the only way this would make sense to me, but...
…how many innings would he pitch? He threw a total of 127 last year, and about 100 the year before. Probably the most you could reasonably hope for (without endangering his health) is 150. I’d like him at the back of the rotation more than I would Suppan (or Bush, for that matter), but I sure would like to see Gamel get a shot over here before we give him up for a guy who’s arm hasn’t even been stretched out yet and who has already professed a preference for relief work over starting.
He is intriguing though. It would be nice not to have late 20’s, early 30’s junkballers filling out 2/5 of our rotation. I just don’t believe we can get him over here without getting pantsed in the deal. And I’ve had enough of Melvin shrugging and saying you have to give up something to get pitching.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 15, 2009 7:06 PM CST up reply actions
Dave Cameron thinks it's a good idea.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Salome and another player?
Salome seems like a guy we should be parading to any AL team in need of a DH.
throw in a pitcher
maybe aguilar or someone
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
That might work
Aguilar’s coming off a pretty down year, so maybe Jack would leverage that. Then again, I’m sure he knows how much promise the guy holds.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 5:04 PM CST up reply actions
Seattle's been making moves
signing Chone Figgins, resigning Griffey, trading for Jack Wilson, Luke French, Ian Snell and even BILL HALL last year…I think they’re looking to contend this year, and they don’t have third outfielder so that means they’ll want Hart. That trade makes a lot of sense for both sides right now. The Mariners need to win while they still have King Felix and they did win 85 games last year so I doubt they’re looking to trade what is essentially a major league ready prospect for prospects. They do also have a whole at catcher though so I guess that could mean Salome…Morrow has enormous potential but he does need another pitch and more control however. I’d take that him in an instant.
Really don't think Hart or Hart and Salome would do it
The Mariners are an extremely smart team. They’re still looking for a left fielder in free agency, so though I’m sure they’d take Hart, they could just as easily sign a Ryan Church and keep Morrow.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
"The Mariners are an extremely smart team..."
I remember when I used to think that about the Brewers.
As an aside, what the hell were the Pirates thinking when they passed on Z after 2007? And how grateful must Z be that they did?
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 15, 2009 6:47 PM CST up reply actions
WE should be greatful
Then we’d have Jack Z making these shrewd moves in our own division!
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Dec 15, 2009 9:22 PM CST up reply actions
True...
… though he’d have half the resources to do it with.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 16, 2009 6:30 AM CST up reply actions
Is Church over all that post-concussion syndrome stuff?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Good fan graph articles on Morrow
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
FWIW
Figgins is signed through ‘13 with a vesting option for ’14. What’s Jack Z going to do with Mat Gamel? Trade Mike Carp? Aren’t they grooming Dustin Ackley to be the heir apparant at 1B?
I guess I don’t see where Gamel fits in Seattle.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
I'd add
Based on the defensive powerhouse Jack’s building out there, I doubt they’re looking for a liability at any position, and that includes moving Gamel to an OF spot.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 8:26 PM CST up reply actions
I seem to remember reading the M's said he was playing 3B
and then, subsequently, that they may re-sign Beltre, which would piss Figgins off.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 11:32 AM CST up reply actions
They haven't committed to Figgins at third
by Graham MacAree on Dec 16, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions
Fair enough
Doug Melvin doesn’t do any deal if it sends Gamel away, though
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 3:06 PM CST up reply actions
Did you see what the Mariners traded for Cliff Lee?
Jack Z has mind control powers on the other GM’s in the league.
True
I forgot about that.
I think he also has this thing called “money” that The Mustache isn’t good at using.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions
DH? groom him to be an outfielder? They've got enough defensive outfield talent to pick up his slack
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I'm not sold on that
The defensive team the Mariners fielded last year was the best since UZR data has been recorded. I doubt Jack wants to go away from that.
I don’t see them trading a guy like Morrow for a DH, particularly after they’ve already re-signed Griffey for PR.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 15, 2009 9:17 PM CST up reply actions
Thought I saw somewhere where they are gonna try Ackley at 2B. I might have been dreaming though.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Dec 16, 2009 11:53 AM CST up reply actions
guess I should have read all the comments first.
"I agree but dont agree"
by juggernaut400 on Dec 16, 2009 11:54 AM CST up reply actions
New here, jumping right in on this
Hey there,
I think it could get done with guys other than Gamel. It could be like Salome since they need an upper-level catcher and maybe some mid-level pitching prospect like Butler perhaps? I don’t know, Jack Z does know our system a lil well.
Considering how little we gave up for him
I would hate to see Butler go, especially in light of how well he pitched in the minors last year. He and Braddock are probably our two pitchers closest to being any sort of ML starter with no one else really flying through the ranks. Once Soup is finally out of here, we’re going to need guys like that to keep our quality decent and our costs down.
considering how little we gave up for Butler...
I’d love to see him traded for a guy like Morrow.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 11:33 AM CST up reply actions
I don't see a trade here
The Mariners are clearly trying to contend in 2010 (if the Phillies couldn’t manage to extend Lee, the Mariner’s probably won’t have the money – especially if they want any shot at locking in Hernandez). Gamel/Salome/prospects aren’t going to help that team very much next season, and Hart doesn’t seem like enough for Morrow.
I would love to have Morrow though. Gallardo/Morrow/Parra is suddenly a very promising young pitching core for the Brewers.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Clearing up some misconceptions
The plan for Dustin Ackley right now is second base, not first.
The Mariners don’t need a left fielder. Michael Saunders is ready to contribute in the majors. That’s not to say they won’t want to upgrade, but they won’t be trading Morrow for Hart.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 16, 2009 11:06 AM CST reply actions
Wow
2nd base? I guess the Brewers have Lawrie there, so its not that surprising.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 11:34 AM CST up reply actions
Saunders.
I’d tend to think they’d want to give Saunders at least another half season in AAA. He’s only got about 400 PAs there, and his small sample in the Bigs last year was awful.
Wolf out. Hawk in(s).
That might be ideal, but that's something one would address with a stopgap free agent signing
Not a trade of Morrow. Also, Jack was pretty adamant when we asked last year that Saunders was major league ready.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 16, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions
I would assume
that a trade involving Morrow would require some kind of pitching back.
Don’t you guys need a catcher, too?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 5:48 PM CST up reply actions
There's a joke in there somewhere...
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 16, 2009 5:56 PM CST up reply actions
Catcher is the same sort of idea as left field
Yes, it sucks right now, but we have one of our top prospects (and the org loves Adam Moore) knocking at the door there. It’s another position that would be best upgraded by a Greg Zaun type.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 17, 2009 10:16 AM CST up reply actions
Ok
You could take Gregg Zaun off of our hands.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 17, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
And because I legitimately don't know, if you happen to check this thread again...
What would the Mariners ask for from the Brewers? I don’t think the Brewers would do Gamel for Morrow straight up. Any piece besides him that would interest them? I know Hart and Salome isn’t close.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Hart, Salome, and Suppan
(snicker snicker)
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
That's why I was curious about the catching situation
Salome and Aguilar, perhaps?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 9:11 PM CST up reply actions
No, you're going to need a piece better than Salome to go with him here
Aguilar or Hart are not these.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
So what are you suggesting?
Lawrie? Arnett? LuCroy?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 16, 2009 9:42 PM CST up reply actions
So why are the Mariners trying to shop Morrow, if he's so valuable?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Just because they're going to listen to offers for him doesn't mean they're going to give him away
Salome and Aguilar isn’t much of a package. Gamel has twice the trade value that those two combined do. We need something in between.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
He's being mentioned in rumor after rumor.
They’re clearly shopping him around.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I guess my question stems from Charlie's statement about the M's wanting pitching in return.
Why wouldn’t they just keep him if they want pitching? It’s not like he’s expensive.
You’ll have to excuse my Mariner’s ignorance, as I’ve only been paying limited attention to them. Are they trying to pass him off on somebody else because they don’t see him as a starter anymore, and hope that somebody else still does see him in that role?
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Just throwin' this out there
Casey McGehee?
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
by zsxander567 on Dec 17, 2009 12:10 AM CST up reply actions
I think maybe you’re a little down on Salome. He’s dropped a bit in prospect rankings (which might have more to do with another catcher moving past him than with his merely solid year in AAA) but so has Morrow.
If the Mariners were in a position where it would actually make sense for them to want Salome/Hart, I think that’s a relatively fair trade for Morrow. The thing is, I don’t see why they would want either player right now (or at least want them enough to give up Morrow).
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
Don't know.
If they’re trading Morrow it will be for someone who upgrades the MLB roster right now though. They’re making a push for the playoffs and aren’t going to be willing to take a prospect with significant development time back.
This leaves:
Some rotation spots (doubtful, as losing Morrow makes a big hole in said rotation)
Bullpen (inefficient place to make a big upgrade)
LF (risk blocking Saunders)
C (risk blocking Moore)
1B (open)
DH (open)
Really, the only fit I see is Gamel at first, but the Mariners will have to add something to the pot to swing that one. But then again, with this front office, who knows? They’ll probably talk the Twins into taking Morrow straight up for Scott Baker or something insane.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 17, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions
You guys are down on Mike Carp, then?
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 17, 2009 2:21 PM CST up reply actions
I guess they won't trade us for all the asian carp that are about to be called up to the big leagues.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Mike Carp's ceiling is as a mediocre first baseman
It’s not like he can’t be a major leaguer, but that’s a spot that can be upgraded both now and in the future.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 9:49 AM CST up reply actions
No Russ the Muss?
He produced very well for you last year, I’m surprised he’s not in the plans this year.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 18, 2009 4:41 PM CST up reply actions
His back was acting up all year
I love me some Sex Cannon, but I am wary of him getting hurt again.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 4:58 PM CST up reply actions
Ha
I was just thinking he’d probably be back on a relatively cheap deal.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 18, 2009 7:10 PM CST up reply actions
Yeah, that's pretty much how I look at it as well
Morrow makes a lot of sense for us, but the only direct matchup is Gamel and then the M’s probably have to add something on. We’ll see, maybe they’ll be able to work something out.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
I doubt it.
If it gets done at all, Melvin will probably overpay by giving the Mariners Gamel, but my guess is this is one of those “not a match” situations Melvin always refers to when people ask him why he’s sitting on his shitty rotation.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 18, 2009 9:04 AM CST up reply actions
Scratch DH from that list
Silva to the Cubs, Milton Bradley to the Mariners. You’re welcome.
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 11:48 AM CST up reply actions
Hey, if he can't work out a trade for Morrow
He can at least give us some runs against the Cubs!
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Hey....
…someone finally found something I’d give up Gamel for.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 18, 2009 5:37 PM CST up reply actions
It's almost getting comical
That should be the most untradeable contract in baseball history, and he got something with some value for it. Unbelievable. I would fire Doug Melvin right now and hire Blengino if it were possible. Obviously Jack gets the credit but goodness it must be coming from somewhere. Maybe Blengino kidnaps the children of various GMs and returns them only on the condition of trades.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
It's an option
Not one that I particularly favour, though
by Graham MacAree on Dec 18, 2009 1:13 PM CST up reply actions
I'd quite like it
Unless Jack has another masterpiece hidden away.
You can run, but you can't hide! Unless it's in this general area over here. Blindspot.
by PhilKenSebben on Dec 18, 2009 2:07 PM CST up reply actions
McAlvy has confirmed (via blog) the conversation on Morrow and Gamel...
…not exactly newsy, but there it is.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 18, 2009 5:40 PM CST reply actions
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