Making Your '00 Face: #1 Starter
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 18, 2009 4:00 PM CST
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With the '00's almost behind us, it's time to take a look back and work together to make a BCB All Decade team for the '00s. Each day, we'll tackle a new position, and we'll have our 25 man roster complete sometime around the 1st of the year.
The concept here is pretty simple. Each day, I'll give you a list of candidates: For position players, it's the full list of players who appeared in at least 100 games at the position during the '00s. Here are the players we've selected so far:
First Base: Prince Fielder
Second Base: Rickie Weeks
Shortstop: J.J. Hardy
Third Base: Bill Hall
Corner Outfield: Ryan Braun
Center Field: Mike Cameron
Corner Outfield: Geoff Jenkins
Catcher: Damian Miller
Bench IF: Craig Counsell
Bench C: Mike Rivera
Now, it's time to change gears a bit. Today we're opening the voting for the ace of the staff. Eleven pitchers started at least 50 games for the Brewers between 2000-2009. I've nominated all of them, plus one more. Follow the jump for their numbers, then place your vote below.
Seasons as a Brewer: 8, 2001-2008
Traditional numbers: 221 GS, 86-83, 3.72 ERA, 1428 IP, 1206 K, 313 BB
Advanced numbers: 3.56 FIP, 1.20 WHIP, 7.6 K/9, 1.97 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: 23.8
Seasons as a Brewer: 4, 2006-2009
Traditional numbers: 153 GS, 38-40, 4.86 ERA, 695.2 IP, 498 K, 167 BB
Advanced numbers: 4.38 FIP, 1.26 WHIP, 6.4 K/9, 2.2 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: 3.2
Seasons as a Brewer: 4, 2004-2007
Traditional numbers: 116 GS, 40-44, 4.39 ERA, 678.2 IP, 562 K, 229 BB
Advanced numbers: 4.62 FIP, 1.37 WHIP, 7.5 K/9, 3.0 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: 7.4
Seasons as a Brewer: 4, 2003-2006
Traditional numbers: 111 GS, 37-36, 3.92 ERA, 685.2 IP, 568 K, 295 BB
Advanced numbers: 4.10 FIP, 1.37 WHIP, 7.5 K/9, 3.9 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: 11.3
Seasons as a Brewer: 3, 2007-2009
Traditional numbers: 95 GS, 29-34, 4.93 ERA, 546 IP, 284 K, 209 BB
Advanced numbers: 5.05 FIP, 1.573 WHIP, 4.7 K/9, 3.4 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: 0
Seasons as a Brewer: 3, 2000-2002
Traditional numbers: 77 GS, 23-34, 4.73 ERA, 473.2 IP, 294 K, 249 BB
Advanced numbers: 4.99 FIP, 1.52 WHIP, 5.6 K/9, 4.7 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: 2
Seasons as a Brewer: 2, 2000-2001
Traditional numbers: 62 GS, 20-30, 5.10 ERA, 372 IP, 200 K, 178 BB
Advanced numbers: 4.99 FIP, 1.58 WHIP, 4.8 K/9, 4.3 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: 0.5
Seasons as a Brewer: 3, 2007-2009
Traditional numbers: 58 GS, 21-20, 5.17 ERA, 332.1 IP, 289 K, 164 BB
Advanced numbers: 4.40 FIP, 1.65 WHIP, 7.8 K/9, 4.4 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: -2.1
Seasons as a Brewer: 2, 2002-2003
Traditional numbers: 53 GS, 11-28, 5.34 ERA, 334 IP, 233 K, 121 BB
Advanced numbers: 4.49 FIP, 1.554 WHIP, 6.3 K/9, 3.3 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: -0.8
Seasons as a Brewer: 2, 2004-2005
Traditional numbers: 52 GS, 15-25, 4.78 ERA, 295.2 IP, 204 K, 117 BB
Advanced numbers: 4.68 FIP, 1.49 WHIP, 6.2 K/9, 3.6 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: 0.3
Seasons as a Brewer: 3, 2007-2009
Traditional numbers: 51 GS, 22-17, 3.57 ERA, 320 IP, 325 K, 139 BB
Advanced numbers: 3.77 FIP, 1.29 WHIP, 9.1 K/9, 3.9 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: 5.7
Seasons as a Brewer: 1, 2008
Traditional numbers: 17 GS, 11-2, 1.65 ERA, 130.2 IP, 128 K, 25 BB
Advanced numbers: 2.41 FIP, 1.00 WHIP, 8.8 K/9, 1.7 BB/9
WAR as a Brewer: 4.8
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As good as CC is
I don’t see any way to give this to anybody but Sheets. He led the team in games started, by a ton. Sure, there were injuries. He was better at some times than others, and he didn’t pitch in the high point of the decade (the 2008 playoffs). But he was the star face of the Brewers before Prince and Braun, ever since beating Cuba in the Olympics (something that shouldn’t be considered for this, but still ranks as a pretty cool moment.) Four All-Star teams, a ridiculous 2004 season that saw him throw a 2.70 ERA, 0.98 WHIP, and 264 Ks against 32 walks, all for a 12-14 record. His abbreviate 2006 campaign had 116Ks to only 11 BBs, and during that magical 2008 wild card year, he put up some great numbers too.
As vital as CC was for the 2008 season – and he’ll be getting my vote for a #2 starter because of that awesome half season – Sheets has to be the top pick.
C. Magruder scored, R. Weeks to second on balk
I always think you're Hyatt.
CC led us to the best point in the decade. Therefore, He’s my #1.
Plus, for those voting as if it’s a real team, He’d absolutely take the ball on Opening Day before Benny.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Maybe 2010 Sheets
But if you take his peak as a Brewer in 2004, he’s better than Sabathia.
10.03 K/9, 8.25 K/BB?! Ridiculous.
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when it didn't matter
When it did matter, he got hurt. It’s nothing against Ben, but in my mind, what Sabathia did when he came in 2008 was so huge, he deserves to be the #1 pick. I don’t think there will be much competition for #2, though.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
Oh, come on
Sheets carried this pitching staff for years, including the majority of 2008. His first half was just as important as Sabathia’s second half. (And if you’re going by “clutch” or something, let’s not forget CC’s playoff performance..)
Sheets’ 2004 numbers are just absurd, I can’t imagine how he’s not the #1 Brewers pitcher of the decade (both in terms of impact and talent)
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I concur
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 19, 2009 8:30 PM CST up reply actions
I'm amused.
It wasn’t me, but i think it’s funny. Maybe it’s a write-in vote for backup catcher?
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Would at least 2 people please vote Yovani.
There must be some justice in this world.
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Done.
Yo has been the staff ace from the moment he showed up. No injuries or 3 month rentals either.
by Brew Town Boozer on Dec 18, 2009 9:12 PM CST up reply actions
"No injuries"
uhhh…..
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Guilty of baiting.
Yo tore an ACL in May, started game 1 of the NLDS. He pitched solid, with a few walks. He was absolutely killed by the Brewer D, in particular Cameron.
To tear an ACL and then come back the same year and pitch is the definition of a a staff ace. CC was only here 3 months. Sheets could never stay healthy for consecutive years and couldn’t pitch when hurt, and not injured. Just saying.
by Brew Town Boozer on Dec 19, 2009 8:25 AM CST up reply actions
When I think of a staff ace, I don't think of somebody missing 95% of the year.
Just Saying ;)
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
you are correct..
What I am trying to say is that barring a 3 month free agent audition, Gallardo has been what an ace is. It just might be a coincidence that since Gallardo has been on the 25 man roster, the Crew has been winning (as compared to earlier in the decade).
You can’t pick an all decade team, and have your ace be a guy that played for 3 months. Less than 5% of the decade. Gallardo isn’t much longer, but compared to Sheets, he is a much better choice, IMO. I can certainly see why someone would go with Sheets, just not this guy.
by Brew Town Boozer on Dec 19, 2009 11:57 AM CST up reply actions
It just might be a coincidence that since Gallardo has been on the 25 man roster, the Crew has been winning (as compared to earlier in the decade).
That probably has more to do with Prince, Braun, Hart, Hardy, Cameron…
I don’t mean to take away from Yoga, he’s a very good pitcher, and he’s a big reason why we’re winning, but our winning is a product of the wave of prospects that all came up together. Yoga is just one of many that came up at the same time, so it’s not just him.
How many CG’s has Gallardo pitched in his major league career? 1. Yes, 1 CG. You can’t be an ace if you can’t get past the 5th inning. That will be his biggest challenge this next year, and probably throughout his career. He has all the stuff in the world to be a major league ace, but he just hasn’t realized his potential yet.
I’m betting that, barring injury (knock on wood), if we do this vote in 2019, Gallardo will be the #1 starter on the brewers all decade team.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
It wasn't me
But Glendon did have more home runs and extra-inning game-winning bunts than Ben.
You've got a couple screws missin' up in your toolbox, if you think that you'll stop this man from hittin' moonshots.
I think someone was trying to click victor santos and got glendon instead
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
Yeah.
That’s probably it.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
that's the ticket!
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by sowingwildoats on Dec 19, 2009 3:52 PM CST up reply actions
Then explain the two votes for Suppan.
My guess: Cubs fans.
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Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Dec 20, 2009 8:59 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
I go CC, Sheets, Gallardo, Capuano..
IDK who #5 is going to be. I’m at a loss.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
For those of you voting for C.C.
A half of season and only a half season of greatness is a lot less than 8 seasons of being very good. Ben Sheets easily has this spot.
Without CC, we're still playoffless in the decade.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I know you can make the same argument about Benny's 1st half of the season
but he wasn’t there when it counted
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
I voted for Ben Sheets
although clicking the button, I sprained my index finger, which, along with my poor physical conditioning, will go untreated and result in a major wrist surgery. I may not be able to post for 8-12 weeks.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 18, 2009 7:14 PM CST reply actions 5 recs
That is exactly why my vote went for CC
by Saberilliterate on Dec 18, 2009 7:17 PM CST up reply actions
I expected this to be about 95% Sheets.
I’m not sure if I’m pleasantly surprised or disappointed.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
idk if you're pleasantly surprised or disappointed, either.
But I do know that you were wrong!
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
No votes for 2009 Opening Day Starter Jeff Suppan?
I don’t see how anybody can not vote for Sheets here. Not only is he clearly the best “Brewers pitcher” of the decade in terms of time here, but even if you go by who’s the best pitcher, Sheets’ 2004 is much better than any season in Sabathia’s career.
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I really don't
even consider CC a Brewer. Yes he played for us and yes he helped us make the playoffs. I just can’t get to excited about 3 months.
Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.
It amazes me to think that Jamey Wright and Jimmy Haynes are better than Suppan
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
What surprised/startled me
Was some of the similarities between Manny Parra and Glendon Rusch.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 19, 2009 12:00 AM CST up reply actions
Likewise
For Davis and Capuano. In my memory Capuano was a far superior pitcher to Davis, goes to show how good my memory is.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 19, 2009 1:34 AM CST up reply actions
My problem
Most likely has something to do with my perception that Davis seemed to walk a lot of guys (even though it looks like Capuano walked the same amount) and that fact that Capuano had that 18 win season back when I was more in-tuned to media pushed stats (i.e. wins) than the truer measures of performance that we all now use thanks in large part due to this site.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 19, 2009 10:45 AM CST up reply actions
Speaking of that 2005 18 win season
I got curious and went and check it out. I was surprised to see his 2006 season was almost identical to the 2005 season, except he cut his walk totals in half. Maybe that’s not really that big of a deal or that uncommon, but I thought it was pretty impressive. It’s also a testament to how era and wins can fluctuate regardless of performance.
On a side not, I think I was also slightly biased toward him because he was so damn smart and was learning Japanese so he could talk to Tomo Ohka.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 19, 2009 11:02 AM CST up reply actions
Jeff Suppan
Really – Suppan got two votes… who voted for him? And what were they smoking?
by Saberilliterate on Dec 19, 2009 9:49 PM CST reply actions
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