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Buster Olney just called in on SC
3 years, $27 million
"Sometimes I feel like an idiot...but I am an idiot, so it kinda works out."
by Mr. Funk on Dec 9, 2009 11:44 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's time to start wildly guessing the breakdown
7/10/10!
by TheJay on Dec 9, 2009 11:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably $27 with a buyout of the third year.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 9, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
TH has it at just under 30 mil for three years
i’d like to see some of that go to Son of Clung
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by trippingandy on Dec 9, 2009 11:48 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Tom say 3 just under 30
Wth club option. So I assume 30m with the option buyout.
by SgtClueLs on Dec 9, 2009 11:50 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
I feel like he's just passing along Tim Brown's info.
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by tcyoung on Dec 9, 2009 11:55 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Would the club option be for the third year?
by drezdn on Dec 9, 2009 12:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
better than Davis or Washburn...but
nothing to jump up and down about. BABIP will go up a lot this year and HR allowed will too moving from LA to MIL…Still need at least one more starter…Get Harden or Piniero to be the #2
by Milwaukee's Gr8est on Dec 9, 2009 11:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs
Piniero will probably cost more than Wolf
They can’t afford him after signing Wolf. And you shouln’t want him anyway. No more ex-Cards!
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Dec 9, 2009 2:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
My favorite thing about the signing
is the Wolf Pack coming to MKE.
by thevaccinator27 on Dec 9, 2009 12:08 PM CST reply actions 2 recs
or persistent Pulp Fiction nods..
..because we called the Wolf.
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by Lavender on Dec 9, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Do the Wolf Pack and Zaunbies get along?
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by Yar Nivek on Dec 9, 2009 3:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Over/under on the number of reporters who suppress a snicker...
… when Wolf talks about how glad he is to come to Milwaukee at the presser? (Assuming there is a presser and that Wolf is in attendance).
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 9, 2009 12:10 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He'll be there;
unless it’s a full moon.
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, "That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
by tcyoung on Dec 9, 2009 12:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That signing scarred Brewer fans for life
If nothing else, Wolf signed for less money and less years so we got that going for us…
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 9, 2009 12:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
But 1 year longer then it should have been
And at a premium…
by SgtClueLs on Dec 9, 2009 12:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
you have to pay any pitcher a premium. welcome to the market the last 10 years.
and the year longer is part of the premium.
Milwaukee has to go longer and for more $ than other teams. Just the way it is.
by Mykenk on Dec 9, 2009 12:38 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Commence Doug Melvin Rant # 37v3
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 9, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Overpaying
I -loathe- love paying a guy coming off a career-best year.
by Brew Angel on Dec 9, 2009 12:58 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
so, we should have gone for pitchers who sucked last year?
by Mykenk on Dec 9, 2009 1:03 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they're cheap and didn't suck until last year, then yes.
But I’m not upset with this really. He’s better than anyone we had in the rotation last year except Gallardo, even if he can’t replicate last season’s peformance.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 9, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
And Wolf has better career numbers than Soup
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Dec 9, 2009 2:17 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know why I like this.
Now Melvin can say he signed the second best starter out there or something, though considering Harden, that may not even be true.
All and all, it’s a major improvement, and we overpaid for it, probably, seeing that he’s never been worth that much in his career before last year. But I still feel a bit better about things.
I actually would really like to sign Piniero. There hasn’t been much talk, but he’s clearly a different pitcher after adding that splitter. How much would he cost?
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by baumann on Dec 9, 2009 12:43 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
He was seeking 4 years
Not sure if he’ll get it.
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 9, 2009 12:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I kind of feel the same way.
I’m not sure it was the best move, but I’m glad to see them deploy their resources to try to improve the team, at least.
What begins in fear usually ends in folly.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Dec 9, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said
Sums up my feelings as well
Get a ife broseph
by Supertramp on Dec 9, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That's exactly how I feel.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 9, 2009 1:33 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
It will be interesting to see who they pursue now
They made a point that the Crew needs 2 pitchers this offseason. At $9-10M a season, I think this signing will prevent them from signing any other free agents for more than maybe $5M a season and there aren’t a whole lot of worthwhile options at that price. I’m betting they are now going to look to the trade front for that 2nd pitcher.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 9, 2009 12:48 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
So, question is:
Do you take 1 SP @ 10M a year, and 1 @ 5, or 2 @ 7.5?
by Mykenk on Dec 9, 2009 12:50 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
As would I
Harden is willing to do an incentive laden deal. Maybe Duchsch or Bedard, or even Sheets would be willing to do the same.
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by tcyoung on Dec 9, 2009 1:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on the pitchers
If you can get two high risk, high reward guys for the $7.5 I’d go that route. However, if you are getting two average, run of the mill pitchers for that $7.5, I’d rather go the first route. Truth be told though, I think I would go neither. I would go for a guy worth $8-10 and then go get a guy that has the potential to be a similar value through trade, but isn’t going to cost you as much salary. Something along the lines of Hart for Maine, etc.
The problem with this scenario just happens to be that you expect to get a $10 value out of the guy you just signed for $10/yr. If you are really getting a $7.5 value out of him the strategy is shot, because you end up doing the 10/5 scenario, but you are only getting 7.5/5 value, essentially getting the worst of both worlds.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 9, 2009 1:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If they're seriously considering trading Hart, then some money could open up.
And based on the fact that he’s been linked to at least two teams this week, I’d guess they’re at least considering it.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 9, 2009 1:35 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
So if Hart is traded, what are the odds of Gamel going to the OF?
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by Yar Nivek on Dec 9, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably pretty good, just not in the major leagues.
He would certainly spend time in AAA learning how to play the OF.
by NoahJ on Dec 9, 2009 2:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Gerut to RF for 2010
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 9, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
He's in the VWL now, they could at least try to get him some reps out there before ST.
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by Yar Nivek on Dec 9, 2009 2:56 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
they will spend that $5mm on latroy hawkins.
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by baumann on Dec 9, 2009 12:55 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Wish we had more terms
I’d like to know what the Buyout is, what the option year is, and if it’s back loaded. I’m going to guess we pay him $12m for his 3rd year, $11m for his 2nd just to try to make this years roster more affordable.
This means when Wolf regresses in the 3rd, he’ll once again be to expensive to move. Like Suppan.
by SgtClueLs on Dec 9, 2009 12:59 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
From Tom H:
I was told last night that the deal would be for $9 million a year but apparently the Brewers went a bit higher at the end and signed Wolf for just under $30 million. I don’t have the exact yearly breakdown yet.
by NoahJ on Dec 9, 2009 1:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The Suppan/Hall contracts are going to burn us long after they are gone
I see this viscous cycle forming were because of the money on the books now from those contracts we need to backload new contracts. Then as Sgt pointed out, in three years this new contract could very well put us in a very similar position to the one we are in now. All it will take is one misguided offer to McGehee and we have the possibility of being right there.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 9, 2009 1:14 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, but Braun's contract could hurt us too. Always a risk.
Besides, a cycle of backloaded contracts is how baseball works best. Just gotta make sure that not all the big years happen at once.
by Mykenk on Dec 9, 2009 1:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree about the Braun contract
Hopefully we will still be getting at least a marginal decent return out of it though.
I never did get that about contracts. Are there any examples of front-loading contracts? With a guy were you are taking some risk on, why not front load the shit out of it. Either he declines in production at which point it is easier to trade b/c of a more reasonable back-ended contract; or he remains productive at which point you can either get more in a trade b/c of the deal of a contract or you have more money to put better pieces around him to have a better team.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 9, 2009 1:23 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Works great in theory
But in reality, everyone thinks they have more future money than present money.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 9, 2009 1:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Which also works great in theory… It’s always easier to spend the money you think you will have than to spend the money you actually do have.
I’m not saying it would work, but I would love to see someone try it. I’m sure you could get players on board, just tell them by frontloading now they will get more money upfront and then if they continue to play well, they could always renegotiate a contact to make even more money in the latter half of the contract.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 9, 2009 1:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That might actually be the problem
If a player makes $15 million on the first year of a three year deal, and is only due $10 on the next year, he might hold out.
That's all I've got for you today, unless you're interested in some Chris Capuano/Tom Haudricourt Fan Fiction.
by Kyle Lobner on Dec 9, 2009 2:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will feel so much better if we seriously try to get Rich Harden.
by NoahJ on Dec 9, 2009 1:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
agreed
"A D+ Grade? That must have been a Wittardo grade"- @73_MC
by BrewHaHeather on Dec 9, 2009 2:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
yes. however,
unlikely
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by trippingandy on Dec 9, 2009 3:20 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
On the Fence
I see the argument of needing a pitcher – but this feels like Suppan – but this is unfortunately what he is close to what he is worth in the free market…
This again begs the question why we have such a hard time developing our own pitching
by Saberilliterate on Dec 9, 2009 1:03 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
This doesn't feel anything like suppan.
by Mykenk on Dec 9, 2009 1:05 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
well maybe
Soup: now with 95% less Jesus™
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 9, 2009 1:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I get what you're saying
But a free agent pitcher going into his mid-30s who’s been solid but unspectacular for $10M/yr? Feels a little like Suppan. Once you really think about it, not so much.
by TheJay on Dec 9, 2009 1:18 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll post my thoughts in the form of a story sometime this afternoon.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Dec 9, 2009 1:19 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
i'll take a 3 year, 30 million contract
over a 4 year, 42 million contract.
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by sowingwildoats on Dec 9, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Suppans contract
Can’t be how we measure all other contracts. Anything looks better then Suppans contract.. even my morning poop.
Each contract needs to be evaluated by itself.
by SgtClueLs on Dec 9, 2009 1:31 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank You.
If you didn’t say it, I would have.
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by tcyoung on Dec 9, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
You were going to make the comparison to SgtClueLs' morning poop?
I’m impressed.
by ecocd on Dec 9, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions 1 recs
That is pretty impressive...
although my morning poop is not as impressive as my late afternoon.
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by Bush League All Star on Dec 10, 2009 12:00 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Updated Payroll Estimation
I’m assuming that the deal is for $9MM this year.
I’ve adjusted Bush’s salary to $4.5MM, as I think that appears more likely than the $5.5 that I originally guessed. If he’s going to cost more than 4.5, I think they’ll just non-tender him.
I’ve also eliminated Difelice from the list, under the assumption that he will be released from the major league club.
This puts us at roughly $79MM.
If McClung is non-tendered, we’re around $77M, needing to bring in a couple bench warmers and a bullpen arm or 2 (preferably 1 with a SP).
I think we still have the money to spend on another SP. Even if Mark isn’t willing to raise the payroll, we could still nontender Bush or trade hart to open up some payroll.
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by tcyoung on Dec 9, 2009 1:36 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Just a quick point
You’ve got Lowe in our rotation instead of Wolf, right salary though.
dickie_thon: Third baseman Bill Hall / Watches the third strike go by / Gamel grabs his glove
by GoGregGo on Dec 9, 2009 1:45 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks, I always confuse those two names.
I added Hawkins. We’re at $82MM – $83MM before non-tenders.
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by tcyoung on Dec 9, 2009 3:10 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Hawkins just got done
2 Year deal according to Rosenthal
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Dec 9, 2009 1:37 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
sorry
wrong tweet. Here’s the right one
"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."
by Hyatt on Dec 9, 2009 1:37 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Eh.
I’d rather have Axford or Butler there.
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by tcyoung on Dec 9, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'd like to see what Butler can do as a starter
and similarly, what can Axford do if given a chance.
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by BrewHaHeather on Dec 9, 2009 2:25 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Any values yet?
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 9, 2009 1:42 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I'll wait for Tom to apologize to me
and stub00 who said this deal was going down on December 3rd. Tom felt the need to rip that in a post.
Here’s the original comment he posted. He also said in another thread he asked his source about whether it was going on, and he said it was just pending a physical.
He was right about the Braun extension, and on Wolf, and I believe the Durham deal. So when he posts, I listen.
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 9, 2009 1:46 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
More money than I had hoped to spend on him
but the signing still greatly improves the rotation. Now let’s sign Harden!
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by BrewHaHeather on Dec 9, 2009 2:27 PM CST reply actions 1 recs
Rec'd because I really, really want Harden as a Brewer.
But now we have no money because we spent the rest of it on a middle reliever. Maybe Mark will surprise us and spend even more money this year?
by NoahJ on Dec 9, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
If Mustache signs Harden
I will go from being mildly ‘meh’ about 2010 to being quite excited.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 9, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Likewise.
I would be feeling pretty damn good about our chances with a starter like Harden. A Gallardo-Harden-Wolf-Parra-Bush/Suppan rotation seems like it at least should give us a shot at the wold-card.
by NoahJ on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Harden shouldn't (in theory) cost much.
But, then again, 90% of big league players are making about 70% more than they should.
Stats made up.
by Mykenk on Dec 9, 2009 2:36 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
The wolf signing..
could save us some money on whoever else they’re looking to get. The trouble with the first starter we signed, we we’re going to have to overpay because we need them more then they need us. Now that thats not really the case, we might be able to sign someone for what they’re really worth.
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by Metagen on Dec 9, 2009 2:44 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thought
But I don’t buy it.
Sort of like I don’t buy that pitchers are more likely to come to Milwaukee with Trevor Hoffman as the closer, or a veteran catcher behind the plate.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 9, 2009 2:54 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I dont really buy that either, but
now whoever else we’re looking at knows we don’t have the flexibility to overspend on them or at least not by very much.
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by Metagen on Dec 9, 2009 3:02 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Probably with Wolf and Hawkins
If you’re thinking maybe 8M and 3.5M, the payroll with arb raises should be right around the 80M mark.
So, I doubt it.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
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by Charlie Marlow on Dec 9, 2009 3:08 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Understand your reasoning here
If nothing else for the simple fact that with the offense of the Crew, one more decent pitcher quite possibly could mean p-offs. So if that helps you get a guy who values a shot at a title as much or more than the biggest possible contract, we’re in luck.
To play devil’s advocate though, it is also possible an agent could use the argument that you need to pay my guy more because we know that having him on your team could be the piece you need to reach the postseason. Therefore, you should value him as such.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Dec 9, 2009 2:55 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
True
Although I’d say the players benefit from getting in the playoffs as well.
I do wish they had signed a starter to a 1 year contract first, and then I’m guessing they could have gotten Wolf for more like 26-27 like people had hoped.
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by Metagen on Dec 9, 2009 2:59 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
I will say, I am glad Doug went after Wolf rather than Joel Piniero.
Who now wants more than we gave Wolf.
by NoahJ on Dec 9, 2009 3:47 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
that's seems about right
i’m not saying logical, but i would’ve expected him to want more going into the offseason.
in other news, espn is saying that a harden deal is “on the verge”.
by Capt Science on Dec 9, 2009 3:51 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently Harden is going to the Rangers
http://bases.nbcsports.com/2009/12/report-harden-could-be-on-verge-of-signing.html.php
D’Oh!
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by Lefti on Dec 9, 2009 4:34 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
No money left for him anyway
sitting at around $80-82M after arb raises. And that’s with two bench spots to fill (and assuming Bush isn’t non-tendered. If he is, it is around $76-80M).
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~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 9, 2009 4:46 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Good price on Harden, isn't it?
$7.5 million with 2011 option (presumably with a buyout)
by ecocd on Dec 9, 2009 5:22 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
One the Brewers should have done.
I personally would have signed Harden to that contract than Wolf to the one we did.
by NoahJ on Dec 9, 2009 5:41 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
That does assume that Harden would have done that deal, though.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
by Jordan M on Dec 9, 2009 6:32 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs
Melvin Presser
Anyone know if the Melvin press conference at 6:10 pm CDT, will be played on the radio at all, or online anywhere?
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by tcyoung on Dec 9, 2009 6:00 PM CST reply actions 0 recs
Rec'd for good luck.
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