Thoughts on the Brewers signing Randy Wolf for 3 years, $29.75 million
Let's get this out of the way first: Randy Wolf is a good pitcher. In his career he's put up a 4.28 FIP and in the past three years he's been at 3.99, 4.17 and 3.96. He seems to have become a better pitcher in his late 20s and early 30s, which is nothing uncommon for a left-handed starter. In comparison, Jeff Suppan's career FIP is 4.85. There has really been no point in which Suppan has ever been as effective as Wolf.
Wolf has varied a lot as a pitcher throughout his career. He's averaged about 7 strikeouts to 3 walks per nine innings in his career, but that rate has jumped around-he's gone over 8 strikeouts per 9 at times and last year he was below 7 K/9, but he lowered his walk rate as well, resulting in the impressive 3.96 FIP.
You can find plenty of information about Wolf's stuff elsewhere, so I'll just touch on two things-- his fastball averages about 89 (which is just better than average for a lefty starter) and is very effective, Fangraphs pitch values show that it was 30 runs better than an average pitch last year, which is elite. His out pitch is a really slow curveball-if you thought Dave Bush's 70 mile per hour curve was slow, be prepared for Wolf to bring it around 66. That pitch was 9 runs above average last season.
Wolf does come with some durability concerns. He was quite durable early in his career and then had 4 straight years of some injury trouble with Philadelphia. He followed that up with seasons of 190 and 214 innings. So in terms of pitchers with durability concerns, he falls somewhere in between the Rich Harden/Ben Sheets/Erik Bedard class and the Durable Innings Eaters.
The risk in giving Suppan the contract he was given was that he would not remain effective over the course of his deal, and that risk was realized: after 1 year of decent performance, he has put up 2 years of approximately replacement-level production. That should not be a problem with Wolf. If he manages to average 180-200 innings over the next 3 seasons, he should easily justify the contract. In terms of personal preference, I would much rather gamble on a good pitcher remaining healthy than gamble on a durable pitcher remaining effective.
There's no doubt that the Brewers had to go above what Wolf's probable worth on the market to get him to come to Milwaukee. The Brewers decided that he was their man and went out of their way to get him. I personally have no problem with what they did. Expecting them to set a maximum seems pretty unrealistic to me. If you set your maximum at $9 million per year and Wolf's agent indicates that it will take $10 million, do you tell them no deal? Considering that sources said Jon Garland (who, like Suppan, has never really been a good pitcher) was the backup if Wolf didn't accept, I am glad they did what they did.
After saying what I said about Wolf's ability, I think he should be projected for something like a 4.20 ERA and 180 innings this year. Expecting him to repeat last year's performance of 214 innings and a 3.50 ERA is unrealistic-first the flaws of ERA, a team statistic that is vulnerable to chance, must be considered and beyond that there's Wolf's .250 BABIP allowed and high strand rate, which show that he did not deserve the ERA that he accumulated. Fortunately, paying a pitcher $10 million really only assumes his value to be a slightly above average pitcher. Average for a starter is around a 4.5 ERA. With the Wolf projection I mentioned earlier, he's worth around $10 million in free agent dollars. There's an upside there of his production last year, which makes him worth a bit more. There is an injury risk, as there is with any pitcher.
Giving any pitcher a 3-year deal is risky. But to win the Brewers need to be a little bit aggressive. If you project every starter on the market to account for their production and ability to stay healthy, you would probably conclude that Wolf is the second best pitcher on the free agent market right now. And he's now a Brewer. That's good news any way you look at it. There's a good chance that Wolf will not be worth $10 million in 2012, but that's a risk the Brewers are willing to take here to secure a pitching staff that they think can compete in the next two years while Prince Fielder is still under team control.
I definitely have some concerns about decisions the team has made this offseason-the other signing of today, Latroy Hawkins, included (which I'll have more on later)-but I do like this deal overall. There might have been other ways of improving the pitching staff, but I can definitely see why Doug Melvin chose to go in this direction. This pitching staff just got substantially better and the team did not have to give up a draft pick or a player to do it, and there are a few other interesting trading pieces (Corey Hart!) on the roster. I would rather the Brewers potentially risk spending $10 million on $5 million worth of production in 2012 than just throw in the towel and not make a move.
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agreed -- very nicely done
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by Fatter than Joey on Dec 9, 2009 7:00 PM CST up reply actions
4.20 ERA
I think there’s a good chance Wolf can keep an ERA under 4 (well, optimistic chance), at least in 2010. He hasn’t had a FIP as high as 4.20 in 100+ IP since 2004, and in all the full seasons of his career (150+ IP, meaning he probably wasn’t battling injuries) he’s only had a FIP above 4.30 once, in 2000 when he was 24.
And as a pitcher who gives up a lot of fly-balls, he’s coming from a craptastic Dodgers outfield with Ramirez and Ethier to a Brewers outfield that, while Braun is a wild-card, has Gomez in CF. That might be more than made up for by going from Los Angeles to Miller Park though.
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Very good point
That’s the upside. When writing something like this I tend to err on the side of caution to make the point, which is— even if you project him for 4.2 and 180 he’s probably worth $10 million. We’re not getting a bargain but it’s not a bad deal either.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
a point not many people seem to be talking about is the fact that he is left handed
a major plus I think.
"Cubs fans boo again – 99% of these people can’t see the plate." -Ueck
I still wonder how that impacts Parra as a "lock" for the rotation
Now that they have another lefthander, maybe he’s not such a lock (which would be dumb, but I could see it happening).
Having a #2-3ish starter
is a step in the right direction from last years rotation of Gallardo and the #5s.
Good signing.
Overall, this is a nice signing
I don’t like the 3rd year, but give a little, right?
I’m not a fan of his BABIP, either,.
But, he’ll be an improvement, that’s for sure.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
i'm a fan of his BABIP
as long as he can convince the leprechaun to come to milwaukee to keep that going.
by PagsBrewCrew on Dec 10, 2009 10:47 AM CST up reply actions
I was hesitant on the signing but I think you made some very good points Jordan
It’s the third year that got me as well. I am much more opposed to the Hawkins signing and I have no idea of the figures yet (I don’t wanna know!)
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
Those were my thoughts. I know it's a 2 yr deal and that alone made me face palm
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
Fuly agreed, J.
But I have to say, as an English teacher, I really wish you (and everyone else in the world!) would learn the difference between an m-dash and an n-dash, and when to use each.
My use in this life is limited to the role of copy-editor.
"Since baseball is my favorite sport, it's easy to go out and do what I do." --Patrick Swayze
Yes, it probably is.
But I was never taught it in school either. I am OCD in addition to being a “geek”.
"Since baseball is my favorite sport, it's easy to go out and do what I do." --Patrick Swayze
I don't mean to be offensive here
I’m just taking out all of the teachers I’ve had, well one in particular, who have hounded me on grammar. But my question is: isn’t it the idea(s) of the piece that are most important, rather than the format. Yes, I understand that bad grammar/format can get in the way, but in this case I don’t think so.
Now feel free to edit my post! haha :)
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
If you really want my opinion . . .
When grading college freshman papers I always favor content over grammar because I would much rather develop complex and critical thinking in my students than an affinity for (largely) arbitrary rules of a dying garde.
But the misuse of dashes always slows me up, because I think that someone is hyphenating a word (i.e. bringing them together) when they are really separating them. The fact that I am slowed down by this is what annoys me, not the fact that it’s a grammar mistake. I am feeble minded. Confused easily. Not a sentence.
"Since baseball is my favorite sport, it's easy to go out and do what I do." --Patrick Swayze
Gotcha.
I really do appreciate your sentiments in the first paragraph. I had a 86 yr old professor last year who was the biggest stickler for grammar I’ve ever met. He told me to go to the writing center. He then told me that if I want people to understand my writing (since I’m going to school to work on writing) then I’ll need to learn grammar rules.
I told him he was the only one who had a big deal with it. Very interesting man though. Still uses syllabuses that he typed off a typewriter. Oh, and don’t ever read Anne Radcliffe’s, The Mysteries of Udolpho.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
Haha.
People in my department are like that, too. “Creative writers” are ostracized in English Departments. Generally, I think the geezers need to realize that language has always been changing, and will continue to change to accommodate things like technology. That’s easy for me, because I am young(er) (28 SWM, 5’11" 160), but also, they need to retire. I totally sympathize with you all that whole issue, man.
"Since baseball is my favorite sport, it's easy to go out and do what I do." --Patrick Swayze
The stats thing creeped me out haha
But, yeah they need to retire. I said that as much in the teacher review. Dude felt his opinion on the books were the only ones applicable so there was no open discussion whatsoever.
I am a Creative Writing major, so I’ve never really cared all that much about grammar or form. To me it’s about the ideas and the hope of creating an open dialogue. (You hear that Mr. Fischer!!!)
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
What do you mean by "form"?
Form is extremely important in creative writing, depending how you define it. Well, perhaps no matter how you define it . . .
But yes. They need to move on. I wish more contemporary writing was taught at the university level. I wish more contemporary people taught at the university level.
Wolf out. Hawk in(s).
I misused the word, perhaps
I’m currently in a poetry workshop. Which, currently, I’m procrastinating rewrites for my final portfolio. And, at least where I go to school the teachers attempt to teach the form of writing. Exp: memoirs, list poem, not being able to write a play in a fiction workshop class??
I probably didn’t make this any more clear and rather misused the word. But there’s a few really good younger teachers at UWM. In fact, I just took a class this semester on contemporary british and irish playwrights. Wonderful class.
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
I know a bunch of people who teach there.
Also, I am a non-smoker who loves baseball, finding new kewl music to listen to, hanging out with friends, and cooking vegetarian food. Seriously, my including my “stats” was a way of making fun of myself for feeling compelled to include my age.
Wolf out. Hawk in(s).
It's all good. Perhaps you know Jason Puskar?
He’s a youngerish guy. I think early 30’s? Very very smart and funny. Guy made teaching literary theory fun!
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
Maybe that's too personal: if you don't feel comfortable divulding that sort of information, I understand
battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm
I don't know him.
I’m glad you had a positive experience with literary theory.
I once had a positive experience.
Wolf out. Hawk in(s).
Hey, I know the difference
Sometimes—and I’m just pointing this out—I forget. I would say there have been 8-10 times when I’ve misused an n-dash, but whatever.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 9, 2009 7:41 PM CST up reply actions
Good job, and, of course.
But most people pay no mind at all. I’m a jerk. No one listen to me anymore.
"Since baseball is my favorite sport, it's easy to go out and do what I do." --Patrick Swayze
Sometimes I forget to spell "fully" with two L's.
"Since baseball is my favorite sport, it's easy to go out and do what I do." --Patrick Swayze
That isn't so bad
At least its obvious what you meant.
Forgetting a second “L” in “dully” would be really confusing.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 9, 2009 7:49 PM CST up reply actions
Honestly I was taught in English 101 Composition to use two dash characters to separate a thought in that situation
The one by “two things” was a typo, only one dash and no space. That’ s completely wrong. However, I have always used two dashes— like this— to separate a thought because that’s the way it was taught.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
Testify, brother, testify!
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Yahoooooo
World Series, here we come!
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by Drew C on Dec 9, 2009 7:33 PM CST via mobile reply actions
ha
also, ha.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 9, 2009 7:42 PM CST up reply actions
"I would much rather gamble on a good pitcher remaining healthy than gamble on a durable pitcher remaining effective"
You hit the nail on the head.
www.inbetweenhops.com
The real question is
How good of a hitting pitcher is he?
BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.
The clincher for me was
If you project every starter on the market to account for their production and ability to stay healthy, you would probably conclude that Wolf is the second best pitcher on the free agent market right now. And he’s now a Brewer. That’s good news any way you look at it.
That’s a rational reason to be positive about this signing. You’re also right that the Brewers need to take some risks to be competitive, including overpaying a pitch a few million dollars down the road (only a few Mr. Suppan…). I really hope Wolf can grow to appreciate the fact that Milwaukee is a true baseball town and the fans are going to support him as long as he shows respect to them. Oh and that a retractable roof means he’ll never have to pitch a home game in the rain or cold or sit through a 45-minute rain delay on the bench. Domes are nice.
P.S. The caption should read, “Randy Wolf does his best Geoff Jenkins impression.” amiright?
Upgrade
I believe that Wolf will be a considerable upgrade from some of the pitchers on last seasons rotation. I just hope that he will be worth the money that we will be dishing out for him.
Look at Looper and the Soup, if Randy can perform better than those 2, the Crew should be in good shape with the rotation.
From the MLB site
The Brewers ended up with Wolf, for three years at a reported cost of just under $30 million. He is not a perfect choice, because if he were perfect, the Brewers couldn’t have afforded him.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Man,
am I the only one unimpressed with paying a guy 10 mill a year and hoping he is slightly above average?
They Oriels just got a year of Millwood for 9 mill and a player they didn’t want.
The Cards signed Penny to a one year 7.5 mill deal.
Sure, maybe Wolf is a smidgen better than either or them, but we got hosed. End of story.
I think hosed is pretty strong
3 years makes it less palatable to me, yes, but even if he pitches to his career averages, he’ll be a huge upgrade from last season. In fact, Wolf is a legit #3 pitcher.
Quite literally, however, I don’t see anyone better that the Brewers could have signed. Penny is not a good pitcher, despite what you apparently think. Millwood may be approximately on par with Wolf, but who did you want to trade to Texas for one year of him? Obviously the Rangers wanted a MLB ready pitcher and a PTBNL.
"If we want to sign a Type A free agent, we would lose a second-round pick, but we don't have a way to get picks back. Our whole Draft process needs to be redone."
~Doug Melvin
by Charlie Marlow on Dec 9, 2009 10:46 PM CST up reply actions
I have no problem with Randy
I believe we payed too much and too long for him. The Brewers can not afford too much for too long, and should only take this sort of risk on players that are more than a tad above average.
by Braunstalker on Dec 9, 2009 11:00 PM CST up reply actions
I didn't here the Yanks, Sox, or Dodgers
banging at his door. It is a different market when those teams aren’t involved.
by Braunstalker on Dec 10, 2009 10:25 AM CST up reply actions
Penny's an injury risk and not a very good pitcher, in my opinion not a good combo
Millwood’s OK but he put up a 4.6 FIP last year.
Look at it this way: in 2009, Wolf will get paid about $9 mil and we didn’t give up anything for the rights to acquire him.
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
we gave up the rights to get
an impact player and keep Fielder in the coming years, unless the budget is highered.
by Braunstalker on Dec 9, 2009 11:01 PM CST up reply actions
I really don't thnk Randy Wolf will prevent them from signing Fielder
Right now they have about $15 million directly committed or 2012
E: George 4 (5, throw, throw, throw, throw).
If Wolf is a smidgen better than them, and they made $9 million each (including Penny’s incentives), then how did we get hosed?
I think it’s hard to argue that the Brewers paid above market value, especially given that there’s something to be said for going after a guy who is actually coming off a very strong year rather than guys who are coming off major injuries or down seasons.
Ryan Braun: He loves it.
I don't think
there is anything positive to say about signing a 33 year old who just had an up year pitching in Dodger stadium. The negative thing to say is of course, we end up paying too much.
by Braunstalker on Dec 10, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions
The Brewers had to signed somebody
and due to the lack of FA starting pitchers out there I think there must of been some concern that if the did not sign Wolf then their options would decrease by one and, unless they were seriously thinking about trying for Lackey, the rest of the options were worse (Garland,Pinerio etc). Therefore the decision to slightly overpay for Wolf is probably better than missing out on him and then overpaying on a lesser pitcher.
I quite like the signing (unlike the Hawkins signing which is a waste of money considering the amount being spent on the bullpen as it is and the fact that there are several pitchers already on the team that could do a similar job), I think that he is a perfectly good middle of the rotation pitcher who has been relatively consitant throughout his career when healthy.
However if the Brewers are serious about competing for the playoffs, and progressing when they get there then I think that they either have to gamble on a pitcher like Bedard,Sheets or Harden who could turn out to be an ace or, try to trade for somebody at the trade deadline ala CC in 2008. I’m not sure that we have many prospect left that could facilitate that kind of deal though.
Well written reasoning – and my brain can probably agree with most of it – both the economics of it and the metrics of Wolf.
However – Maybe I am just to gun shy, or the Yost infection has not cleared up yet. But there is something in my gut that just doesn’t like this deal. All this deal tells me is that the Brewers have done a really crappy job developing pitchers in house.
by Saberilliterate on Dec 10, 2009 5:55 AM CST reply actions
True dat
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Jack Z in Seattle.
"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"
Patterson got a minor league invite.
I don’t understand the criticism of anyone getting a minor league invite.
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by Fatter than Joey on Dec 11, 2009 7:16 AM CST up reply actions

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