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Lineup Construction

Background

Rickie Weeks is a leadoff hitter, but he is not an ideal one because he does not excel at making contact.

J.J. Hardy is a 2-hole hitter. He is a good hitter overall, has good bat control for sacrifice bunting, and isn't one of the top power hitters.

Ryan Braun is a 3 hitter. He makes incredible contact, has power, and is the best *pure* hitter on the team.

Prince Fielder is a cleanup man. He is big, he is slow, he hits lots of home runs, and he plays first base.

Corey Hart is a 5 hitter. He is pretty good, and he protects Prince in the lineup, because he has power.

Have you heard these justifications before? Probably, because they have been endlessly regurgitated by the media, the coaches, the players, and the fans who have repeatedly heard them from the above sources.

The modern baseball lineup is still based on these two faulty ideas:

1. The leadoff batter gets on base. The second hitter bunts him to second, or the leadoff man, who is fast, steals second. The third hitter, who hits for a good average, drives him in.

2. The first three batters get on base. The cleanup batter, who has a lot of power, hits a grand slam.

Can you spot the problems with these concepts for lineup construction? The first point originated when baseball began, and the second point can be traced to the Yankees of the 1920s, who were the first to give their players numbers on the back of their jerseys. It s the reason Babe Ruth wore number 3 and Lou Gehrig wore number 4. Is it a problem that our main plans for lineup construction rest on two ideas that predate World War II?

I know Jeff hates talking about lineups, but hopefully this clears up some of the confustion regarding what is generally our stance here at Brew Crew Ball. I am just posting this tonight because there's no sense in just waiting until tomorrow morning.

Building a Better Lineup

These perceptions are the problem with convincing people of radical lineup construction today. Ryan Braun and Prince Fielder do not look like #2 hitters, though one of them should hit in that spot in the lineup.

Over the course of the year, the number of plate appearances received by each player in the order decreases by about 15 from the leadoff man on down to the 9th batter. The key is finding the balance of getting your best hitters the most at-bats, while leveraging their at-bats when the most runners will be on base.

There is not a true template to build the best lineup possible, but there are several rules a manager should abide by.

We will focus on the first five spots in the order first. Here are the basic rules, with some explanations. In The Book, all of the tables and evaluations are listed, if you are interested. I will just boil the information down to its essence, without using actual numbers to justify the reasoning, which will hopefully make this clearer.

So here is a step-by-step process:

  • Of your best five hitters, your first batter should be the one with the least amount of power and the most walks. Preferably, the player here has a large split in batting average and on-base percentage because the value of a hit is similar to the value of a walk due to the fewer amount of runners on base in this spot.
  • Next, you should decide who your two best overall hitters are, excluding your leadoff man. These players should always bat in the second and fourth spots in the lineup-- not the third, as is usually assumed. The reason is that the third spot in the lineup comes has the highest likelihood of coming up with 2 outs, and commonly comes up with 2 outs and no runners on, mainly because of the freqent occurence of the first two batters making outs in the first inning. The second spot comes up about 30 more times per year than the fourth spot, and the fourth spot comes up with more runners on base. These factors balance out almost equally. You would prefer the second hitter to have the advantage of more walks and the fourth hitter to have the advantage of more power to fully optimize your two best hitters.
  • After the three top hitters are taken, you should look at the next two best hitters on the team. The third and fifth spots balance out almost the same way the second and fourth ones do. The fifth spot has an advantage for every event except a home run-- which makes sense, because a single with two outs has little impact, while a home run always scores, and we have already established that the third hitter comes up frequently with two out. If the hitters under consideration are relatively equal in skill, hit the one with more home runs third and the one with more singles and doubles fifth. Overall, the fifth hitter should be better than the third hitter.  
  • The quality of hitter should generally decrease through the sixth, seventh, eighth, and ninth spots in the order. There is one notable exception, though.
  • In almost all situations, a pitcher should bat eighth in a National League lineup. The difference in plate appearances between the eighth and ninth hitters over the course of the year is about 15 plate appearances. This can be reduced to about 10 when pinch-hitters are introduced. Those 10 plate appearances are more than made up for by increasing the amount of runners on base for the top of the lineup. The overall impact of hitting the pitcher eighth would only add a few runs in a year, but that is no excuse to ignore it.

By optimizing a lineup, a team might add 5-10 runs each year. It is a small amount, but again, there is no excuse for ignoring it considering the incredible amount of money that is spent each year searching for even the smallest advantage in baseball. Optimizing the lineup comes with no risks or cost for the team.

Applying this to the Brewers

To create an example, I'll go through my thought process of creating an optimal Brewer lineup. I did not use a lineup optimizer, so this is subject to not being the best possible, but it pretty closely follows The Book's rules.

1. Rickie Weeks | The high OBP-BA split is best utilized here beacause of the aforementioned reasons. Baserunning ability does help here, too, but it does not have as big of an impact as common wisdom would have you think.

2. Prince Fielder | Braun and Prince are the best two hitters on the team. Of the two, Fielder walks more, and Braun gets more extra-base hits. Fielder's walks put him on base for the next three good hitters, and Braun's extra-base ability drives in more runners on the basepaths. Kendall hits ninth, adding to the runners on base when Fielder does go deep.

3. Mike Cameron | A strong argument can be made for Hardy or even Hart here, but Cameron has the mix of being a good overall hitter with a lot of home runs and less singles and walks than others. If Cam hits similarly to the way he did last year, this is his best spot. If he falls off, I'd put Hardy here.  

4. Ryan Braun | As mentioned in the two spot, Braun's extra base abilities give him the cleanup spot.

5. J.J. Hardy | Hardy projects as a slightly better hitter than Cameron at this point, and the tiebraker is home runs vs. singles, doubles, and walks.

6. Corey Hart | 2007 Corey Hart hits third or fifth. 2008 Corey Hart hits seventh. I'll balance them out and put Corey here. Also under consideration is that a good basestealer should hit fifth or sixth-- his skills are best leveraged here. A stolen base has less of an impact in front of a good hitter that might drive in the run anyway. In front of worse hitters like the 3B platoon, the pitcher, and Kendall, a stolen base is more important.

7. Hall, Lamb, and the 3B | The worst hitters go seventh and ninth, and the OBP advantage goes to Kendall, who acts as the "second leadoff man".

8. The pitcher

9. Jason Kendall | His advantage in OBP over the pitcher puts him on base about 33% of the time for the top of the order.

A Short Summary

Your two best hitters should hit second and fourth in the lineup. The hitter with more walks should hit second, and the hitter with more extra-base hits should hit fourth.

Your best OBP hitter excluding your two best hitters should generally hit first. Speed is lesser consideration.

Your fourth best hitter should generally hit fifth, and your fifth best hitter should generally hit third. A tiebreaker would put the hitter with more home runs third and more singles and doubles fifth.

The rest of your hitters should be arranged from best to worst, with the exception of the pitcher, who should almost always bat eighth.

Most of this information is from The Book, which I highly recommend if you are more interested in the details and numbers behind these concepts. Check out Insidethebook.com for more.

One of us will try to answer any questions or problems with anything in the comments section. Thanks for following me all the way through here, I know this got long. We will stick this in the reference section if anyone needs to brush up on their fundamentals later.

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One correction
J.J. Hardy is a 2-hole hitter. He is a good hitter overall, has good bat control for sacrifice bunting, and isn’t one of the top power hitters.

What you mean is:

JJ. Hardy is a 2-hole hitter. This is because he is a white middle infielder.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 14, 2009 11:12 PM CST reply actions   2 recs

nice

The only reason I clicked into this post was to find Sackmann’s reaction to the lineup talk. Nice to find it right up there at the top :)

by Marty McSuperFly on Feb 15, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry for asking but where is this “reference section”?

by proch on Feb 15, 2009 12:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

No problem

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 12:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh wow i was looking for just a little link that said reference and completely missed that.

by proch on Feb 15, 2009 1:07 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

Nice screenshot. Does Gorman handle the handwriting in the house?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Feb 15, 2009 1:40 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Gorman...

He was too busy barking in his sleep last night to be doing any writing.

Also, the whole “lack of opposable thumbs” thing.

He’s not the worst pitcher ever, just the worst good pitcher.

by KLSnow on Feb 15, 2009 7:54 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The best part is

Someone put the lineup construction link in the box between the time I looked and the time I made the screenshot, that was supposed to say “lineup coming soon” in the box on the bottom. I’m not sure I’m capable of editing that widget, so I just left it for someone else to do.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You should be able to

I was the one who swooped in and put the link in there, so you should be able to edit it as well.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on Feb 15, 2009 11:10 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I guess we can all edit all of them. There is a column that says “shared”, and they all say “false” except the 40-man, but when you click on them the shared box is checked. That was throwing me off.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 11:12 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

"shared"

has to do with sharing with other blogs. it really doesn’t matter, unless one day the Gonzaga hoops blog decides they want the Brewers 40-man on their sidebar. And really, why wouldn’t they?

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 15, 2009 12:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I am not sure that Weeks would be the lead off hitter if The Book’s rules were followed. I thought they stated your best 3 hitters should bat #1, #2, and #4. I think Hardy is a better hitter than Weeks right now.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 15, 2009 12:13 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I like it

JJ leading off and Rickie dropping to 7 or 9.

September 15: Not a bad little Monday

by molitorfan on Feb 15, 2009 8:55 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Depends

if Rickie is a .240/.370/.430 hitter like in 2007, he’s the best leadoff option. If the lines are more similar to last years’, I’d consider Hardy first. J.J. actually only led Rickie by .001 in OBP last year .343 to .342.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 10:20 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

and you left out my favorite part about not letting below average pitchers hit. Of course that is a little difficult with rosters limited to 25 guys. You would burn up pinch hitters pretty quick.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 15, 2009 12:22 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I was limiting it to practicality

I think it would be awesome to pinch-hit for every pitcher that came up, if you could make it work.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 12:34 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think Gallardo and other really good pitchers there is a good reason to have them pitch as many innings as necessary. With guys like Suppan, Looper, and McClung I think it would make sense to stack them. I agree that it just isn’t practical to pinch hit for the pitcher every time. 12 man pitching staff. 8 regular players. 5 Bench players. Leaves little no room for an injury replacement. I think it would make some sense after rosters expand though. It would also give you months to evaluate which pitchers should be stacked.

As a side note, I think batting order means little unless you start batting guys with the pitcher leading off and your best hitter batting 9th. A typical lineup, while not optimized, is generally close enough that there are few extra runs to squeeze out of it. It is a fun topic though. I always thought that approx 18-20 PA was the difference per spot in the order. I see that the Brewers were at about 16 last year.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 15, 2009 12:49 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The point of this post

is really to kinda illlustrate that there isn’t much to be gained from optimizing the order. Sometimes people come in and want to argue about the lineup all the time, when it just doesn’t matter that much. We can point to this when those type of issues arise, hopefully. Then there are people who are genuinely interested in this stuff but haven’t read The Book or don’t understand it.

Totally agreed on stacking crappier pitchers. The problem is that we don’t know how stamina would work out— can a guy throw 2-3 innings every other day on a schedule? It’s never really been tried before, so we don’t know.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 12:52 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot that we would be would be shorting our pen by a guy for a few days at a time.

I think that pitchers should be ok with 2-3 innings with a day of rest between. Relievers do it. They would have a few extra days after pitching the second time. How many off days do starters have before they throw on an off day? I don’t remember right off hand.

 I know that is all a little rambling.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 15, 2009 1:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Value of proper lineup management

If it’s 5-10 runs like you said, that’s .5-1 wins. That’s most definitely an amount worth looking at.

by cwolf20 on Feb 15, 2009 1:10 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

My simple interpretation of the Book is that you rank your hitters 1-8 and then bat them in this order
#3
#1/2
#5
#1/2
#4
#6
#7
pithcer
#8

The Book had it at 50 runs with everything, but most(approx 35 runs) of that was from changing your rotation from
Gallardo
Parra
Bush
Looper
Suppan
to
Gallardo
Parra
Looper-Suppan-McClung
Bush
Suppan-Looper-McClung

and never letting Suppan. McClung ro Looper bat. Like jihad said though, not really practical. I would love to see it tried after rosters expand though.

Look how much of an uproar there was over simply batting the pitcher 8th last year. Think of what would happen if all these changes were instituted. I stand by my belief that managers can make a difference, they usually don’t though because they are stuck in tradition. The closer only pitches the 9th, traditional batting orders and stuff.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 15, 2009 1:57 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

have you looked at the bench lately?

at least in compared to Braden Looper’s lifetime stats? I’d rather have Looper up there than some of these guys, depending on what arm the opposing pitcher is throwing with.

and recall, you do not want to blow Mike Rivera on a pinch-hit if you can help it, unless for some reason you really want to see Bush or Counsell catch.

by morineko on Feb 15, 2009 3:17 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Ned

Is that you?

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on Feb 15, 2009 10:15 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

looper showed very good opposite field skills during 08.

he has improved at the plate both years he has been starting, and continued improvement would not surprise me.
with the 1B holding a runner, he can utilize the hole between 1B and 2B.
during 08, i prefered him swinging away, rather than sac bunting.

by ball in play on Feb 15, 2009 9:35 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Just hitting your third best hitter leadoff is a guideline, but I don't think it should be a rule

If your third best hitter is like a .320/.550 hitter, that wouldn’t be your best use of resources even if he’s third in projected wOBA on your team.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 10:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't agree that this isn't very significant.

I recall Tango writing that, on average, it would be an extra win every two seasons. Even so, we all know that the extra win wouldn’t occur on such a regular basis.

5 to 10 runs might bring you 5 to 10 extra wins if they occur at the right times. Most of the time they won’t mean anything, but every once in a while, they will.

Plus, It doesn’t cost anything to play the lineup this way. It’s like a free lottery ticket, a free shot at a few extra wins if you’re lucky.

by Safebet222 on Feb 15, 2009 9:39 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

It does have a cost.

Not on the field, but for the reputation of the manager. While that shouldn’t matter if he can back up his lineup decisions with statistical analysis (and winning doesn’t hurt), I suspect the truth is that it’s easier to go the traditional route, particularly when you’re working with just a 2 year contract like Macha is. Media and public perception, and I suspect to a large extent perception within the baseball community, still supports the idea of hitting your best hitter third rather than 2nd or 4th. If you go with the batting order that’s supported by the statistical analysis and win (even if the batting order has little to do with that), you’re fine. If you go with the statistical analysis and you lose, you get crucified and thought of as some nutbag who’s unlikely to land another gig when this one is over.

I have an unreasonable dislike of Bill Hall.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 15, 2009 10:28 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I know what you mean... in a perfect world it would work perfectly...BUT...

And your right, it shouldn’t matter. And, from a team ownership standpoint, its inexcusable for a manager to not play with an optimized lineup. It boils down to money, of course.

Look at the Brewers. They are projected to win around 86 games. Lets suppose that the projections are correct, the Brewers win 86 games and finish one or two games out of the playoffs. Lets also suppose that playing with an optimized lineup means a one in four shot at winning an extra game or two and getting into the playoffs. If I was Mark A., I fire the GM and the manager for not taking that chance, to hell with reputations. Playoffs mean a heck of alot of money for the club.

by Safebet222 on Feb 15, 2009 10:41 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I left out a word in that part

It now reads like this:

By optimizing a lineup, a team might add 5-10 runs each year. It is a small amount, but again, there is no excuse for ignoring it considering the incredible amount of money that is spent each year searching for even the smallest advantage in baseball. Optimizing the lineup comes with no risks or cost for the team.

To determine the actual value of changing the lineups, I’m running them in the Baseball Musings Simulator. I’ll report back in a bit.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 10:39 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I remember reading from smart people (probably Tango) that that simulator has some issues, but I couldn't tell you what they are.

If I recall correctly The Book DOES make a pretty good case for speed being important for a leadoff hitter.

Does Prince hit many GBs? I just worry about the GIDPs, although I know he K’s a lot, too.

Beyond the Boxscore // Calling BJ Upton lazy is lazy.

by Sky Kalkman on Feb 15, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not taking the simulator for gospel at all

Results are in a fanpost, and I got a difference of 36 runs in a season between probable and optimized— which seems way too high; I’m sticking with 5-10.

There could be a lot of different factors— splits, gb rates, composition of slugging percentage (doubles heavy, homer heavy, singles heavy), and of course speed and handedness.

Prince’s gb rate went way up last year, but he still had a relatively decent 12 GIDP. In this situation, you’re very right about speed being important in the leadoff hitter if we’re batting Prince second. Weeks is actually a really efficient basestealer, so I think the benefits of hitting Prince second would outweigh the increases in double plays.

Speed in leadoff hitters seems to be pretty important in general, but of course less emphasis than most baseball people put on it (WIlly Taveras stolen bases zOMG!). The part of The Book I’m thinking of says that a good basestealer with not-leadoff quality OBP should hit fifth or sixth because

A stolen base has less of an impact in front of a good hitter that might drive in the run anyway. In front of worse hitters like the 3B platoon, the pitcher, and Kendall, a stolen base is more important.

which is why I stuck Corey Hart there in my lineup.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 5:25 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I put up a fanpost on this

The difference between 4.7 and 5 over the course of the year is almost 30 runs, but I think that’s overstating the impact quite a bit. I’m thinking you can easily gain 10 runs by optimization, though.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 11:06 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

There was a lot of uproar because Yost was terrible.

by dishingoutdimes on Feb 15, 2009 11:19 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how players feel about lineup spots

Every once in a while you see articles about players not liking certain spots in the order or adjusting their game to fit the spots in the order. Some Brewers examples: J.J. Hardy doesn’t like batting in front of the pitcher, Braun and Fielder wanting to flip spots, Hart batting leadoff might actually take some pitches, etc. I wonder if Prince batting second would focus more on making contact rather than driving the ball in order to fit the traditional #2 hitter role—not because he should or the coaches tell him to, but because that’s how it’s supposed to be done. For all I know Prince and the rest of the team could care less, but ballplayers generally seem to be creatures of habit. Just one random point: maybe there’d be an adverse reaction by the new #2 hitter (Prince, Braun, whoever) to seeing RBI chances and consequently All-Star and MVP chances (sigh) go down by optimizing the lineup. Of course, most of the guys seem with it and would likely accept an explanation that batting second gives just as many RBI chances (does it?), doesn’t require sacrificing power for contact, and helps the team win in the long run. But it’s at least possible there would be resistance to the idea.

I’ll stop rambling, but if optimizing gives you 5-15 runs over the course of the year, some managers might figure it’s better to keep players happy with a more traditional lineup or in the slots they prefer than risk jumbling things up for a few more runs here and there.

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by TheJay on Feb 15, 2009 11:37 AM CST reply actions   0 recs

cuts both ways.

let’s say Doug and Macha have already sat down and decided that, Haudricourt be damned, they are going to optimize the sh*t out of this year’s lineup.

there would be plenty of adjustments early on — such as Prince batting second, etc. — but, I suspect that over the course of a season, a properly optimized lineup will have far fewer adjustments. There’s no “moving Corey out of the 5-hole until he gets his stroke back,” no “giving Counsell a shot in the 2-hole to spark the offense,” no “dropping Rickie down to take some pressure off.” Just give the guys their roles based on their skills, just like we put players at certain defensive positions. It would be pretty ridiculous to put Fielder in right field to take the pressure off, or slide Hardy over to second to spark the defense, and I think that, properly done, we should think about lineups the same way.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 15, 2009 12:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The one problem i have with this

Is that it assumes that performance is independent from lineup spot. While I’m not saying someone bats better leading off than batting cleanup, I do believe it matters who is hitting before/after a player. And since the advantage is only 5-10 runs, I don’t think the impact I’m talking about would have to be very large to negate the positive effects described here. Just a thought…

by marty22 on Feb 15, 2009 12:41 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

there have been a ton of studies

trying to identify/measure the effect of “protection” — statistically, it’s close to zero.

The one thing that probably does have an effect (this is just me talking, not me citing anything) is alternating L/R. In the Brewers lineup it may not matter too much, but in something like the phillies lineup, where some otherwise credible options might have all three lefties in a row, you give the opposing manager a very easy chance to put in a lefty specialist and turn those guys into much weaker hitters. All else equal, alternating L/R makes it more likely that more hitters have the platoon advantage. That’s all the more important because we’re talking about at-bats in the late innings in reasonably close games, where leverage is higher.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 15, 2009 12:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Everything there lines up exactly with what I have read and observed.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 1:06 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The L/R stuff

would be an absolute bitch to quantify, but I do have a couple of ideas. Unfortunately, these ideas have been in embryo for about three years now, and I’m not much further along than I was in 2006 :).

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 15, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

You've had embryos for three years?

I think you need a new avatar:

He’s not the worst pitcher ever, just the worst good pitcher.

by KLSnow on Feb 15, 2009 1:49 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

is that family guy?

my views on family guy are pretty well summed up by the family guy episodes of south park.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 15, 2009 1:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

thanks Jeff

I figured that it someone must have tried to quantify it, as difficult as it may ha’ve been. I think the examples of it stick out in my mind, and skew my perception…such as Ethier’s improvement once Manny arrived…obviously a lot of it has to do with small samples, too.

by marty22 on Feb 15, 2009 1:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The thing about protection

Assuming you’re not hitting a pitcher or a Kendall behind your best hitter, a walk or intentional walk is almost always a positive event.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 2:22 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

The Book

I just finished reading a book, and I’m now in the market for a new one to start. Do you guys recommend it?

by tcyoung on Feb 15, 2009 11:01 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Honestly

I consider it more reference. It’s not something you’d sit down and read, there is no plot, really. But the tables and information are presented interestingly, it’s not dry or anything. Definitely interesting stuff. You have to have the right mindset going in.

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by Jordan M on Feb 15, 2009 11:08 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think he was doing a joke. “A Book” vs “The Book”.

by HRF on Feb 16, 2009 12:29 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

no joke

I just finished the Josh Hamilton story, so I’m looking for a new book to read. I’m not into fiction, so I don’t care if there’s a plot. I’m just looking for a book that’s interesting and has something I can learn.

by tcyoung on Feb 16, 2009 9:22 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Non-baseball related, but

I’m reading “What Would Google Do” at the moment and it’s pretty fascinating, to me at least.

He’s not the worst pitcher ever, just the worst good pitcher.

by KLSnow on Feb 16, 2009 10:30 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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Excluding Prince Fielder, who was the 2000-2009 Brewers' best second-generation major leaguer?

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79 - 82

11

Won 3

1

NL Central Standings

W L PCT GB STRK
St. Louis 91 71 .561 0 Lost 6
Chicago 83 78 .515 7.5 Lost 1
Milwaukee 80 82 .493 11 Won 3
Cincinnati 78 84 .481 13 Won 2
Houston 74 88 .456 17 Lost 3
Pittsburgh 62 99 .385 28.5 Lost 2

(updated 2.10.2010 at 4:46 AM CST)

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