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Alcides Escobar and the Case of the Mysterious BABIP

Last season, Alcides Escobar put up an impressive line of .322/.367/.440 at AA Huntsville-- a .373 wOBA compared to an average of .343 in the league. The primary source of his high ranking in many prospect lists (including #8 on MLB.com's list for all of baseball) is his defense and apparently incredible range. He rated out at +22 runs in relation to Southern League shortstops in TotalZone, and earned some scouting reports like this one, from our own Josh Kalk:

I came to Huntsville knowing that Escobar is a very solid defender, so the fact that he wowed me with his play in the field should tell you something. In the first game I saw a check-swing roller get by the pitcher. Escobar charged it hard and made a bare-handed pick and throw to just beat the speedy left-handed batter. Shortstops don't need to make plays like that often, so I was impressed.

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I am convinced he is the best infielder defensively in the Brewers organization and, at 21, has room to improve. 

Escobar has been the subject of some debate. Is his extreme BABIP indicative of a player overrated by scouts? I hate to construe this issue as scouts versus stats, but in a sense it is. Can Escobar's development surpass the batting average regression a statistically-minded fan might expect?

So this is an introduction to my attempt to look at the problem, and what follows is an in-depth look at Alcides Escobar's BABIP-- why it was what it was, and what we should expect in the future. Hopefully we can learn some things about BABIP in general along the way.

For some reference, Alcides was about a 6-win player for the Huntsville Stars in 2009-- that is, replacing him with a AA-caliber utility man (like Michael Garciaparra) would have resulted in us expecting the Stars to win 6 fewer games. A +10 run shortstop can hit like a replacement player (just slightly higher than Escobar's MLE last year) in the major leagues and be a roughly league average or 2 win player. Escobar has a ton of value as a prospect even if he is simply an excellent defender and a poor hitter. If he can sustain an above-average hitting line up into the Major Leagues, we can begin looking at him as an all-star caliber 4-win player. 

This all brings us back to his 2008 BABIP, which was .380. An average BABIP is around .300, and we know that a BABIP far away from the average is prone to regression.

How much regression is what we would like to find out. I think a common misconception is that we would (without any other factors considered) expect a BABIP of .300 next year, or a BABIP of .220 to balance out that .380 figure. Neither is true. We'd probably put the estimate somewhere between the two without looking at any other factor-- around .320-.330.

Thanks to a lot of great research by Peter Bendix and Chris Dutton, we know that there are a variety of other factors that can infleunce BABIP, meaning that it is unreasonable to simply expect a .300 BABIP for every batter, or just use the line drive rate +.12 method described in Jeff's post linked above. 

Here's a quick rundown of some of the factors they identified.

  • Good knowledge of the strike zone (K:BB)
  • High line drive rate
  • Low flyball to groundball ratio
  • Good contact rate (ability to put the ball in play)
  • Speed and bunting ability
  • Spraying or hitting the ball to all fields
  • Other factors like lefty slugger shifts and park effects

First of all, Alcides Escobar is a decidedly splendid bunter. He reached base on 12/13 of his attempts to bunt for a hit last season. He was 9/12 in 2007 and 7/9 in such attempts in 2006. I think it is fair to say that bunting for hits is a skill of Escobar's, so we can already bump up his BABIP expectation going forward. Removing the bunt hits from the 2008 BABIP makes it .355, which is still quite a bit higher than we would generally expect.

Other factors, of course, are involved. Here are the splits on the rest of the batted ball types for Escobar. For major leaguers, we expect line drives to not become an out about .700 of the time, fly balls around .140 including popups, and .200 for ground balls. The minor leagues generally have a higher BABIP because of poorer defense and park conditions. So here is the comparison side by side; Escobar's BABIP followed by the not-out expectation:

Ground balls: .292 (.200)

Fly balls: .139 BABIP, .193 AVG (.170 outfield, .015 infield)

Line drives: .817 (.700)

Of the 123 fly balls, 16 were on the infield. That's a pretty good ratio of IF/F, about 13%. Judging by the spray chart, 2 of the 16 popups went for hits, and both were very close to home plate. Excluding the popups, it looks like Alcides was pretty neutral in luck on fly balls.

But the neutrality of the fly balls is offset by the other two batted ball types. It appears as if Alcides was lucky on his line drives and to a lesser extent ground balls. I say that it is a lesser extent only because Escobar has good speed and other factors like spraying the ball and making a lot of contact, factors that would suggest that he will carry a higher BABIP on ground balls than an average hitter.  

Let us examine the ground balls further, courtesy of a new feature at the Minor League Splits database, spray charts. Here are all the balls Escobar hit that were classified as ground balls by minor league scorers. Green, of course, is a hit and red is an out.

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via Minor League Splits.com

Compare that to this hitter, who played in the same park, had a similar amount of at-bats, and racked up a .220 BABIP on ground balls, though he hit far fewer of them overall than Alcides.

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via Minor League Splits.com

That's Huntsville second basemen Mike Bell. He's also righthanded, though he lacks Escobar's speed. Escobar's chart includes his bunts, which are obviously clustered near home plate-- the bunts are not included in the groundball BABIP number. The other noticeable differences are the high amount of groundball hits in the outfield and a higher concentration of green in the infield itself for Escobar. The first change in shade represents 250 feet from home plate, so it appears that a lot of hard-hit balls from Alcides got through to the outfield, and he had a mix of luck, impressive speed, and a lot of well-distributed ground balls. I would expect the BABIP to come down on ground balls, probably somewhere between the .290 he had this year to about .250 in the future. That figure would be lower in the majors due to some of the league factors. 

Alcides Escobar did not earn a .380 BABIP in 2008 and it would be foolish to expect him to match that at any point in the future. But his unique skillset suggests that he could be a player that consistently puts up a higher than average BABIP. In fact, he can remind one of another player who consistently puts up a high BABIP. I cannot take credit for this comparison, but here are the minor league numbers of a current major leaguer who has a BABIP of .344 in 3 full seasons versus Escobar's at the same age.

At age 19:

.275 .326 .403 at High A
.257 .296 .306 at High A (Escobar)

At age 20:

.314 .362 .436 at AA
.306 .331 .366 at High A/AA (Escobar)

At age 21:

.271 .335 .385 at AAA
.328 .363 .434 at AA (Escobar)

The player I'm comparing Alcides to had a reputation as a poor defender throughout his minor league career. The mystery player? As many of you have probably figured out already, that is Hanley Ramirez. Again, his major league BABIP is .344, and the similarities are intriguing, though Ramirez obviously has much better power and patience skills.

Do I think Alcides Escobar will be as good a hitter as Hanley Ramirez? Of course not, but I acknowledge there is a chance he could develop more power. Ramirez already has developed the power and has exemplary patience in addition to improving his defense to near average, making him one of the greatest players in the game.

What I do suggest is that Escobar can succeed given his current type of game. He rarely walks, but I predict that he has the secondary skills that will allow him to sustain an above-average BABIP at the next level. Even without walks, he has a disciplined approach at the plate, makes consistent hard contact, and uses the entire field. He also hits a high number of ground balls, compared to most players, and refuses to hit popups. These skills hit almost all of the points identified above for players that have a higher BABIP. I am convinced that even if his average has to drive his OBP and slugging, he will be an effective enough hitter in the majors to make him quite valuable, even if his development simply tops out with the skills he has now. 

The upside, on the other hand, is frightening-- if you are an employee of another NL Central team. Just hypothetically, because I do not endorse this projection, how about we say that Escobar's patience and power continue to develop and his defense tops out at +15 in his major league prime. Then we would be looking at a player with 5-6 win value. Of course, we already have a shortstop like that-- only adding to the possibilties brought about by having an asset like Escobar.

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great stuff.

i dont get the hanley ramirez comparison though. they are pretty much exact opposites, right?

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by jacob on Feb 18, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

The similarity is that

- Their minor league offensive numbers are pretty similar
- They are both are/were Latin American, high-ceiling shortstop prospects
- Both have histories of high BABIPs

I found it interesting because Ramirez has put up such a high BABIP in the big leagues and thought that I could illustrate the point that some players have a consistently high BABIP that way. The comparison also shows the potential upside for Escobar— Ramirez didn’t show much power or patience (though a bit more than Esco has), and there’s still the possibility of that real power and patience breakout. I would never even consider his upside offensively to be as high as Ramirez’s, but his defense could balance out and make him a similarly valuable player if everything breaks right.

Hanley has found the power spike and improved on defense. Alcides is already there on defense and hasn’t found the power spike or ability to walk yet. It’s not the greatest comparison, but it illustrates some points I wanted to make.

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by Jordan M on Feb 18, 2009 2:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

ok, i follow that.

although i think ramirez projected more to become a power hitter- he had the frame for it, and showed flashes of that power in the lower levels, had the double rates and the line drives to back it up.

i dont think escobar shows any of that, smaller frame, fewer line drives, very low xbh%…

perhaps i pay too much attention to strikeouts and walks in the minors. ramirez had a k:bb ratio below 2 and escobar is over 3.

hardy is a good example in projecting power here, look at his minor league numbers terrific discipline, great contact rates and over 25% of his hits were for extra bases. those doubles turn into homeruns as you age. many people projected him as a 25 hr a year guy, even though it took him the equivalent of nearly three seasons to hit that many in the minors.

on babip i think you did a great job, especially showing how its likely escobar can maintain an above average babip specifically because he is speedy, a good bunter, makes regular contact, and hits the ball to all fields. great job citing the research to back those up.

for me, i’d put his ml ceiling at .300/.330/.350, couple that with elite defense at shortstop he’ll be a valuable everyday player, but i think he’s way overrated right now.

you know escobar would be a great john sickels crystal ball candidate.

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by jacob on Feb 18, 2009 3:12 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice analysis

So worst-case scenario he should at least be able to hold his own, best case scenario this kid is going to be sick.

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by MadJimiBrewha on Feb 18, 2009 1:27 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

One thing about bunt BA

check that out for a bunch of players, esp. non-sluggers. I think league BA on bunts in the minors is something like .600 to .800, depending on the league. That doesn’t mean Escobar isn’t good at it or that he won’t be able to sustain it, but something to think about.

I think the reason the bunt BA is so high is because of sac bunts that turn into hits.

Say Rickie gets on and JJ is asked (damnit) to bunt him over. The vast majority of the time, it’ll be a boring sac bunt — doesn’t count as an out against JJ’s overall or bunt-specific batting average. Very, very rarely, it’ll turn into a force play or a double play, when it does count against JJ’s BA. BUT…the more common exception is why there is a misplay or a really good bunt, and JJ get’s credit for a hit.

So, as far as BA is concerned, a sac bunt attempt is a very low-risk scenario to boost your batting average.

What might be more interesting, esp. for players who didn’t hit #2 very much, is the sheer number of bunt attempts. (Bunt hits + bunt outs, for lack of better data.) What I describe above may get you four bunt hits and one bunt out over the course of the season, but to get to 12 or 13 like Escobar, you have to be bunting for hits. (I don’t know exactly what the numbers are, and as noted, they surely differ based on lineup position and coaching predilections.)

So one way to think about it is that Escobar is probably more like 6 of 7 (instead of 12/13). 12/13 remains impressive in that light, but 9/12, not so much.

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by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 18, 2009 1:41 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Excellent point, I hadn't considered that

I just say 11/12 and realized that would inflate the BABIP to a higher number than expected, and I checked back to see if it was an anomaly, which it was not. So maybe the evaluation of his bunting skill changes but the impact on his expected BABIP does not.

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by Jordan M on Feb 18, 2009 2:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I think everyone is ready for a regression in 2009

But any minor leaguer that has above average defense is music to my ears… the only problem is we have a top 5 SS in Milwaukee, not really a problem, but wondering how flexible both players are defensively, because I would like both of them in 2010 on the team. As far as I know, don’t think either has played another position…

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by Kyguy922 on Feb 18, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Great Fucking Job.

by HRF on Feb 18, 2009 1:53 PM CST reply actions   1 recs

Sounds like they are going to be working with Escobar at 2B this year. My guess is they are preparing him in case of an injury to Weeks. If Hardy will not sign a long term contract I can see Hardy getting traded after the 2009 season. If Hardy does sign a long term contract, I could see Escobar getting traded. Neither would bother me much. However, Escobar’s upside really scares me if we were to trade him.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 18, 2009 2:22 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

How about locking up Hardy long term, then moving him to 3B?

by HRF on Feb 18, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, please.

by madwilbury on Feb 18, 2009 5:59 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I'd personally rather see Escobar at 2B

Why move a guy who’s likely in the top 5 of all SS in MLB?

by Charlie Marlow on Feb 18, 2009 10:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Hardy/Escobar/Weeks > x/Hardy/Escobar

by HRF on Feb 19, 2009 3:24 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Excellent work

I think Hardy is an excellent defensive shortstop but if the infield has both Hardy and Escobar in it then Escobar gets to play short and Hardy has to move to another position. An infield with both would be a ground ball pitcher’s dream.

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by dixieflatline on Feb 18, 2009 2:32 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

BABIP is not as fluky for hitters as it is for pitchers.

Pitchers face the gamut of hitters and it all evens out to that .290 – .300 BABIP we usually see. Anything much higher or lower is an outlier.

Hitters are another matter and as the Jay pointed out last year, there at least 20 players that have maintained .340 BABIP for their careers.

He could be a guy based on what we have seen so far, that could be consistently in the .310 – .330 range.

by grant76 on Feb 18, 2009 2:47 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

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Yeah, that was pretty much the point of this post

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by Jordan M on Feb 18, 2009 2:52 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I was reading somewhere else

In regard to Escobar’s high BABIP, the Brewers should focus trading Escobar and signing Hardy long term while Escobar’s value is high because he certainly will regress this year. I think he represents so much value the Brewers are right to label him as un-tradeable …

When the Brewers have a good prospect, under their control for a minimum salary, they have to keep him… they can only have so many players they pay top dollar… Hardy might be the one, as painful as it may be, to let go during next season in a trade for younger prospects. Between Fielder/Hardy will probably only be able to keep one, maybe neither.

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by Kyguy922 on Feb 18, 2009 3:08 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Fascinating Post

Well done, sir. Well done.

by madwilbury on Feb 18, 2009 5:53 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Made a slight mistake that is fixed now

Esco’s BABIP on fly balls was .139, not .190 which was his average on fly balls (including 8 home runs, of course). His flyball BABIP and overall average including home runs was right in line with what we would expect. I made that point in the next paragraph, but listed the number wrong.

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by Jordan M on Feb 18, 2009 7:05 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

And again

I realized I can separate out popups by using the IF/F column. Jeff is like 4 steps ahead of me every time.

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by Jordan M on Feb 18, 2009 7:09 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A drop in BABIP would hurt Escobar more than the same drop in BABIP for a player such as Fielder who has a higher percentage of true outcomes.

Give him an offspeed pitch down and in. He will swing and miss.

by cooper82 on Feb 18, 2009 7:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

In other, but related news

anyone see on McCalvy’s blog that he asked Gord Ash about Escobar being dismissed from his WB team? Gordo said no.

by Charlie Marlow on Feb 18, 2009 10:54 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i noticed that too.

I don’t think it completely dispells that rumor though. He could have been suspended or just not given any playing time. Leury might have just called that kicked off.

by tcyoung on Feb 18, 2009 11:56 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

As noted in the Mug, yes. :-)

He’s not the worst pitcher ever, just the worst good pitcher.

by KLSnow on Feb 19, 2009 6:43 AM CST up reply actions   0 recs

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