You don't count on jsonline for information, do you?

by Marty McSuperFly on Feb 27, 2009 7:33 AM CST Comment 44 comments

Ah, access. It's what makes the sports reporting world go 'round. It's why guys like Haudricourt and Witrado are considered point men on the Brewers, and why blogs are just guys shooting off their mouths in front of a computer. Never fear, TH is doing his best to bring uninformed fanspeak to the pages of the JS, without contaminating his post with any information he could gather by virtue of his "access."

This morning, I stumbled across this post on Gallardo's performance yesterday. Notice that TH throws a little red meat out there for the fans:

Gallardo's pitch count climbed when leadoff hitter Joey Gathright worked him for a walk and so did No. 3 hitter Milton Bradley (who, by the way, exited after that walk. Guess they don't want to overtax the new guy).

Ha! It's funny because it's Milton Bradley, and it's always fun to take a shot at Milton Bradley. Welcome to the blogosphere, Tom!

Unfortunately, those wet blankets over at the AP decided to ruin the punchline by doing some actual "reporting" (whatever that is). Via the Brewers page over at Yahoo! Sports, I discovered that maybe there was something more to Bradley's quick exit.

Milton Bradley’s spring training debut was cut short by an injury.

Well, jeez. That's not nearly as funny as making something up. I don't know how those guys at the AP sleep at night.

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firetomhaudricourt.com?

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 27, 2009 7:56 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

firetomhaudricourt.com/firewitradolololztoo?

by Lavender on Feb 27, 2009 8:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haudricourt would be the last to go

He’s an arrogant tool, but at least he can compose readable articles. If you accept going in that TH will usually present the company view (but with enough orneriness to appear independent), and that he will treat fans and blogs with contempt, he’s actually a decent reporter. As a matter of fact, I wouldn’t have posted this if it had been a Witrado entry, since I expect that kind of sloth from Witrado.

In order, the JS purge should be:

Hunt
Witrado
Haudricourt

by Marty McSuperFly on Feb 27, 2009 8:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

What I’m curious about is who edits their work? Because, I always find grammatical errors in their work. Either that or the lot at JS are drunk.

by Lavender on Feb 27, 2009 8:30 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think the copy editing has definitely went down hill after the last few years of cuts.

We've got uniforms and everything, it's really great!

by drezdn on Feb 27, 2009 9:17 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I think there is a lot more news out there too

Somedays they have 4-5 blog entries that are quickly posted, and not re-read 20 times by an editor. Still my ears do start to bleed when i read some of those posts.

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Feb 27, 2009 9:47 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The JS building is pretty close to Water Street and some pretty good bars. It wouldn’t surprise me to find an editor or two at BW3s enjoying a tall spotted cow for lunch.

by Saberilliterate on Feb 27, 2009 9:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Editing

Yeah they should catch grammar, but the fact is that the editors aren’t going to know anything about baseball. TH regularly bungles rules interpretations (draft compensation comes to mind), and generally displays a lack of understanding about player evaluation. An editor isn’t going to be able to overrule him on baseball stuff, they probably know even less than he does.

The artist formerly known as jihad.

by Jordan M on Feb 27, 2009 9:04 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

It could be worse...

… yesterday I heard two talk radio hosts speculating that Tim Lincecum might have recently gotten into trouble (they actually were more explicit than that) because he only got $650,000 and a 1 year deal after winning the Cy Young in 2008. They then went into a long rant about sports teams being able to “hush up” situations where their players violate the law.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 28, 2009 8:16 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

yeah, that's really scandalous

you know what bugs me — how the media conspired with the NY Giants to hush up that Plaxico Burress thing. I really feel that the public should’ve gotten more information about that.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 28, 2009 8:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Ha!

It was just a couple of local radio guys I heard on the road up to the Duluth area, but I really couldn’t believe what I was hearing. About 5 minutes later someone apparently emailed them to let them know how the salaries of players are set before they are arbitration eligible. They mentioned it on the air and reluctantly acknowledged that they didn’t know what the hell they were talking about.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 28, 2009 9:46 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

How do you think Looper got hurt?

sneezing……. or raping?

by tcyoung on Mar 2, 2009 7:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Haudricourt’s MVP Ballot from last year moves him to the top of the list. That thing was inexcusable.

by HRF on Feb 27, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hunt's beyond awful.

He’s not just lazy like the others, he’s a total moron who’s convinced he’s a genius.

I’d help that guy move just to get his tripe out of that J/S.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 27, 2009 8:15 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Also, when he used to do those video-blogs...

… he’d close his eyes in a smug, self-satsified way when he made a point he thought was particularly insightful.

Or maybe he just did that three times in about 45 seconds in the only one of those blog entries I ever bothered to start (not finish) watching.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 27, 2009 8:16 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Or, accept that there’s a difference between the guys’ blogs on jsonline and the stuff they write for the paper.

I personally find the JS blogs very informative, I get lineups from them, they offer little stories not really worthy of a whole article, etc. Generally good stuff.

Now, if you want something to bitch about, all you gotta do is go to those same JS Blog entries, and scroll down amongst the commenters.

by Mykenk on Feb 27, 2009 8:13 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

There is a difference

But they can’t get away from the fact that they report news on their blogs, and that they are considered to be official news. I try not to quibble about grammar and writing style in the blogs (although it’s tough with Witrado), but making snarky comments without attempting to see if there is an actual backstory is lazy journalism. They can’t have it both ways — either they are a news organization that makes use of blogs for developing news and shorter stories, or the blogs are completely separate entities and they shouldn’t report news from them.

Seriously, they need to leave the uninformed speculation and character assassination to actual blogs. It’s what we do best.

by Marty McSuperFly on Feb 27, 2009 8:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

They’re considered to be official news? Since when? I’ve never considered anything on the JS blogs to be official news… is there a good reason why I should?

by Mykenk on Feb 27, 2009 9:44 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Plus, in this case, I doubt he even knew Bradley being hurt was the reason he was pulled. It’s not like it was a post-game blog, in which he would have heard the injury announcement (if there even would be one in ST)

by Mykenk on Feb 27, 2009 9:45 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Let's take one from this morning

Is this news?

http://www.jsonline.com/blogs/sports/40382102.html

Should I wait for an official article, or verification from another source, or do I trust that JS blogs is reporting this information correctly?

by Marty McSuperFly on Feb 27, 2009 10:01 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I usually don’t rely on the journal sentinal for my TV schedule.

by Mykenk on Feb 27, 2009 10:22 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Hey, look at that!

You thought it was news just over a week ago!

by Marty McSuperFly on Feb 27, 2009 10:31 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

jeez

You’re a big fan of using the blog for news. Do you share an account with friends, or are you just defending the JS blog because I might hurt their feelings?

by Marty McSuperFly on Feb 27, 2009 10:34 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I didn’t say I don’t use it for news, I said I don’t use it for “Official News” That’s what the actual paper and the press releases on brewers.com are for.

(it’s probably worth noting that both of those events had an actual story written about them, after the writers had time to do their research… hmmmm)

You can’t honestly say you don’t get information from this blog (BCB). Do you consider it news?

Information <> News.

by Mykenk on Feb 27, 2009 10:43 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

That comes back to the whole issue of access

I consider much of what I read here information gleaned from news on other sites for the simple fact that none of us have the access that TH and AW do. We have to rely on those with that access, earned or not, for our news. In their case, they are employees of the MJS, a news agency, therefore everything they “report” through their position in the news agency is news. That is unless they are writing editorials or opinion pieces and last time I checked they don’t claim the blog to be that. In fact this is what it says under the title of the blog:

The Journal Sentinel sports staff brings fans the latest news and inside dope on the Brewers. Bold added by me.

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on Feb 27, 2009 11:05 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I guess that’s true. I didn’t notice that. I’ve always just assumed blogs were essentially editorials…

I personally have never interpreted anything on anyone’s blog anywhere as official news, and I treated (and will continue to treat) TH/AW’s blog posts like any post on this site. Possibly a good source of information, possibly nonsense that’s a waste of time.

by Mykenk on Feb 27, 2009 11:08 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would agree

It is a great source of information because like it or not they are the best source of such information currently available (until BCB gets that press pass and locker room access). I’m hoping McCalvy’s new Brew Beat blog gives us an effective alternative.

It’s just my personal opinion that someone working on the news agencies dime has a little higher standard of professionalism to live up to, particularly in regard to his past opinions on the quality of blogs. It’s sort of the " You can’t have your cake and eat it too" for them.

BCB, the preferred above replacement level sarcasm supplier.

by MadJimiBrewha on Feb 27, 2009 11:24 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

So you would prefer less information?

I love the blog, gives us our brewer fill- which we wouldn’t really get elsewhere…

Imagine if they had all this information, but had to wait the next day, everyday for the news- no thank you… I think we would all be complaining, newspapers aren’t adapting to the times

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Feb 27, 2009 9:50 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

I would prefer some effort

If a guy walks and then gets pulled from the game in his first AB, I expect a journalist covering the event to ask somebody about it before making a snarky comment about not working him too hard.

Let’s assume we cut TH some slack because he was posting a game update after 3 innings. I would then hope that the wrapup post would include some followup information, but Witrado’s game recap blog post doesn’t mention it. OK, then they probably cover it in the actual article about the game, right? Oh, it doesn’t look like they bothered to write an actual article. So, the blog is the only news jsonline offers about yesterday’s game, and it misses a key piece of injury information from the game. It actually misinforms the reader by insinuating that it was a manager’s decision to remove Bradley.

by Marty McSuperFly on Feb 27, 2009 9:58 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

it was the managers decision. Lou said he was being precautious.

by Mykenk on Feb 27, 2009 10:23 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

The give a lot of effort

They deliver a lot of information to the Brewers faithful… I agree with you, I don’t love these guys attitude, or grammar necessarily… but I am trying to envision what would make you happy other than both of them getting fired instantly. But Tom has a good handle on the minor league system, provides lots of updates, and gives his best shot. I have been in email fights with him, especially after the Badger blogger last year… so believe me I have my qualms about his personality or attitude.

It was the manager’s decision from everything I can tell, and it’s a spring training game and just a precaution… Bradley will be fine in a few days and be playing when the regular season comes upon us, nothing major in the news… I would rather know more about the Brewers anyway than an opposing player.

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Feb 27, 2009 10:35 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

firetomhaudricourt.com/replacehimwithbrewcrewball

by tcyoung on Feb 27, 2009 8:46 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

but we want KL to still have a platform

after the JS tanks (like every other newspaper in america) in the next year or two.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 27, 2009 11:28 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Not after we save newspapers!

by tcyoung on Feb 27, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Our bailout plan:

Brewers News!

by tcyoung on Feb 27, 2009 11:29 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

justreadbrewcrewballinstead.com

"Nothing is working right now with a lot of the guys. We're trying to see pitches and see what we can do. ... I'm not going to sit there and walk, though. I'll eventually find it, and hopefully we'll still be in it." -Corey Hart

by baumann on Mar 1, 2009 1:32 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

Improvement

The artist formerly known as jihad.

by Jordan M on Mar 1, 2009 8:19 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

well played.

by tcyoung on Mar 2, 2009 7:21 AM CST up reply actions 0 recs

oh my

Lazy journalism, uninformed speculation and character assassination…

Is Milton a player you like Marty?

by ol Pete on Feb 27, 2009 11:58 AM CST reply actions 0 recs

ha

I was speaking more generally to blog strengths there. I didn’t mean to insinuate that the blog post contained all those things.

I neither like nor dislike Milton overall. On the one hand, I like the OPS he brings as a player, so I wouldn’t turn him away (I clearly don’t give much credence to the clubhouse impact that many fret about with some players). On the other hand, it still cracks me up to remember him being referred to as “crazy as a bag of angel dust” by some blog. It will be fun for him to be so nearby, and causing trouble for the Cubs.

I do tend to like the malcontents, though.

by Marty McSuperFly on Feb 27, 2009 12:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Feb 27, 2009 12:02 PM CST reply actions 1 recs

I don't think I've ever seen the term "Tardo" before

But it is awesome.

The artist formerly known as jihad.

by Jordan M on Feb 27, 2009 6:21 PM CST up reply actions 0 recs

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