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According to MLB.com's Adam McCalvy and T.R. Sullivan, Ben Sheets has a torn flexor tendon in his elbow that might require surgery. There is some debate as to whether the Brewers would have to pay for the procedure. The Rangers and Sheets agreed to a two-year deal last week, but the physical threw a wrench into it. GM Jon Daniels says he's not optimistic at this point.

UPDATE According to Sheets's agent, the surgery is on.

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I wonder how long he’d be out if he has the surgery now. If we’re paying for the surgery, DM might as well let him rehab here too and pitch for us later in the year.

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by Jordan M on Feb 5, 2009 1:18 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Scott Proctor underwent surgery in October to repair a partially torn flexor tendon, but the reliever is expected to be healthy by the start of spring training.

So i guess it depends how bad the tear is.

by TimQMills on Feb 5, 2009 1:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Plus the Sheets factor.

If the recovery time is 4-6 months, count on 6 and be aware of the possibility of 8.

He’s not the worst pitcher ever, just the worst good pitcher.

by KLSnow on Feb 5, 2009 1:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Good call. You figure he has to wake up at some point and realize he just isn’t going to “get by” anymore without some “effort.”

by TimQMills on Feb 5, 2009 1:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I just read a report that said 10 months

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by Kyguy922 on Feb 5, 2009 2:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

His agent said he's having surgery.

Two type A free agents. Zero first round draft picks. EPIC FAIL.

How far will this one fly?

by Rendezvous on Feb 5, 2009 3:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

MLB has to have some form of compensation for something as preposterous as this. It wouldn’t be right to our organization at all.

by Lavender on Feb 5, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

They do

The Brewers got a second-round pick and a sandwich pick for one Type A free agent. It’s not ideal, but it’s not much worse than if he had been signed by a team that had a pick in the top 15 overall. The other Type A free agent was hurt as a Brewer and wasn’t signed by anyone else for that reason. Why should the Brewers get compensated (rewarded?) for his injury, ill-timed as it is? That just seems like the Brewers get something next year while Sheets contributes nothing (either unsigned or for his new team).

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by TheJay on Feb 5, 2009 4:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Seconded

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Feb 5, 2009 7:35 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

espn just said

he might be out for the whole year…if this comes to be the case and he doesn’t sign with anyone until 2010 would we get an picks?

I untuck my shirt!

by Michael M on Feb 5, 2009 1:24 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I think the June draft is the deadline

If that report is wrong and he will pitch this year, the Brewers are really his only option if he wants to sign before June, because no team is going to give up a pick for him right now.

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by Jordan M on Feb 5, 2009 1:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

plus not much for CC

What a failure… no ones fault… but expecting a huge influx of top talent, and none of it appears that it will materialize

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by Kyguy922 on Feb 5, 2009 2:14 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Imagine

…the Crew is right there in the mix at the beginning of September and a healthy Sheets emerges? Wishful thinking, I know.

by TimQMills on Feb 5, 2009 1:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Seems like a Mark Pryor special

We’ll give you $1 mil on the off chance you get healthy and can contribute something at some point.

by Getting Yosted on Feb 5, 2009 1:35 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

here’s the link to the story: http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090205&content_id=3801488&vkey=hotstove2008&fext=.jsp&partnerId=rss_mlb

bummer for sheets. and bummer for agent casey close, who presumably gets fired now, right?

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by jacob on Feb 5, 2009 1:38 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Close is Derek Jeter’s agent too so I am sure he is doing just fine.

by TimQMills on Feb 5, 2009 1:39 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wait

Holy crap. So if he accepted arby, we would have given him $14 million dollars in 2009, and he might not have pitched one inning?

It’s hard to fathom how that might have devastated our already tenuous 2009.

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by roguejim on Feb 5, 2009 1:50 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Arbitration isn't gauranteed, though

You could cut him in spring like we did with Claudio last year and pay him a little of the salary. And it wouldn’t for sure have been $14 mil— though they rarely decrease salary, so it would have been $12-ish.

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by Jordan M on Feb 5, 2009 1:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Now we know why Sheets declined arbitration...

If he had taken arbitration, come to camp and been unable to play, the Brewers could have cut hum and only owed him 45 days worth of salary (I think).

So he tried to go somewhere else and get a multi-year deal, so when dhe inevitably couldn’t pitch in spring training, someone would already be committed. But he couldn’t pass a physical.

He’s not the worst pitcher ever, just the worst good pitcher.

by KLSnow on Feb 5, 2009 2:26 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Do you think

he knew that he couldn’t pitch?

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by roguejim on Feb 5, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

just posted the almost exact post below...

Jinx!

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by Kyguy922 on Feb 5, 2009 2:32 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah;

you have to wonder if ben and casey were trying to pull a fast one.

doesnt say too much for the character of either one of those guys if you ask me…

you would think that ben knew he wasnt totally healthy.

by Jamie in LA on Feb 5, 2009 2:34 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder how that would work

Say he went to camp and pitched poorly because of the injury. But say that his attempt to pitch in camp made the injury worse. Could he and his agent argue that since his injury got worse in camp, he should get paid his salary in full? After all, the CBA says players released because of injury are entitled to their full salary for the year in which the injury was sustained. If the original injury occurs in 2008, but it’s rehabbed over the winter and then gets worse in 2009 spring camp, I wonder what happens.

The 30 days or 45 days (depending on when the player is released) termination pay applies if the player is cut for “failure to exhibit sufficient skill or competitive ability.” It would be hard to argue that knowing the guy is hurt. It would’ve been an interesting spring if Sheets had accepted arbitration, that’s for sure.

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by TheJay on Feb 5, 2009 4:54 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

This is the best part...

ESPN’s Jayson Stark says the surgery Sheets is considering has a standard 9-10 month recovery time, jeopardizing his 2009 season. Stark adds that “some teams that had pursued Sheets this winter seemed to be more concerned about his shoulder than his elbow.”

by TimQMills on Feb 5, 2009 2:06 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I find it funny when they regard the injury as an elbow injury

From what I recall of the injury, it has nothing to do with the elbow per se, other than the muscle attaches at the elbow. The injury most likely has an impact on his wrist/fingers, not his elbow.

by MadJimiBrewha on Feb 5, 2009 4:45 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

A sad situation

Sheets had probably 70 million dollars coming to him had he stayed healthy at the end of last year…

I wonder how much was him pushing through the injury knowing it was a contract year, and wanted to prove he could pitch a whole year, that will end up contributing to him possible not getting any money this year, and sitting on his couch.

Was reading that Jason Jennings had the same thing, and it took him 2 years to get back…

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Feb 5, 2009 2:16 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I doubt he had $70 million coming.

Even if he had pitched out 2008, he still had a series of injury issues and work ethic question marks…I doubt anyone would have given him more than 3 years.

He’s not the worst pitcher ever, just the worst good pitcher.

by KLSnow on Feb 5, 2009 2:28 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Burnett got 5 years and had similar injury issues for $82 million

If Sheets finished healthy… I would expect him to be the yankees #2 target behind CC

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Feb 5, 2009 2:31 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

good point

he gave it his all, after he left in his last game, he said something to the effect of, “I gave everything I had”, and I believe him

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Feb 5, 2009 3:58 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder

how many of the bozos that booed as he left the mound his last start realize what a bunch of no-class a$$-hats they really are.

by Getting Yosted on Feb 5, 2009 4:27 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Conspiracy theory

Is it possible both the brewers and ben knew about the injury… and were hoping it would sneak past other teams…

so the brewers offer the arby, and sheets turns it down knowing the brewers could cut him like vargas last year, and not be on the hook… so took the chance someone else would sign him and pass the physical…. which he couldnt

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Feb 5, 2009 2:28 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Why didn’t he just get surgery in September of last year. Sure it would tank his value for this year, but he could have at least signed a one year deal and pitched for a part of the season. If he misses the whole season, he has no value this year or next.

Maybe he thought he could just rest/rehab it.

by grant76 on Feb 5, 2009 2:51 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

I should have read the whole article

Per McAlvy:

At the time, according to Ash, the medical prognosis was that, “with rest and exercise and rehab, he should be fine.”

Asked if there was any talk of surgery at that time, Ash replied simply, “None.”

The team was so comfortable with that diagnosis that it extended a Dec. 2 offer of arbitration to Sheets, who is a free agent for the first time in his career. Had Sheets accepted that offer, he would have been considered a signed player for 2009 at a salary to be determined, almost certainly higher than the $11 million he earned in 2008, when he finished 13-9 with a 3.09 ERA in 31 starts.

by grant76 on Feb 5, 2009 2:53 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Re: Sheets conspiracy theories

I highly doubt Sheets actually knew he was going to need surgery and just tried to sneak into a contract regardless. If the injury is that severe then there’s no way any team misses it in their pre-signing physical – obviously Houston didn’t – and if he knew he was going to miss 2009 it would have been to his advantage just to accept arbitration in Milwaukee. Not to mention the very real possibility of such an attempt leaking out and his being blacklisted by every team in the major leagues.

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by SRB on Feb 5, 2009 3:45 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Well maybe there was a 20% chance he wouldnt need surgery

And took that chance he could rehab throught it…

The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.

by Kyguy922 on Feb 5, 2009 4:00 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't the torn Lat almost exactly the same problem?

Tore his Lat near the end of one year and tried to “rehab” and then couldn’t start the next year? You would think he would have just had the surgery this time and gotten it over with for sure. Especially with it being in a contract off season.

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by dixieflatline on Feb 5, 2009 4:13 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

On a side note, Will Carrol released the matrix for his Annual Team Health Reports. While the explanations aren’t given yet, the Brewers are the only team in the majors to have one of their projected regulars* to be “in the red”. That player? Rickie Darnell Weeks. They also only have one player in the yellow—Manny Parra.

Gallardo is in the green. Will Carrol from the comments section:

Gallardo kind of broke the system. His arm is fine, he looked good before and after the broken leg[sic], and that’s not the sort of thing that should recur. The question is what his workload should be before he gets too risky and PECOTA’s projection for him isn’t that high, so …

*-Lineup, Projected Five Starters, Closer, Second Reliever (in the Brewers’ case, Villanueva)

by HRF on Feb 5, 2009 4:26 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

Err, the Brewers are the only team with ONLY ONE projected regular in the red.

by HRF on Feb 5, 2009 4:30 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

wow, that's fantastic

I’m a bit surprised Rickie is red. Makes me happier about the Counsell signing — rather have him than be relying on Iribarren/Bourgeouis/Escobar in emergency new-position duty.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Feb 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Interesting to say the least

So essentially, they are saying Rickie Weeks is the regular out of all regulars in the majors who is most likely to present an injury this year? I understand Parra, but I think I could pull out a handful of pitchers from a hat that are at a higher risk this year for injury than Weeks. That is, unless there is some unseen injury that hasn’t been released to the general public yet, but IIRC he actually finished the year fairly healthy, no?

by MadJimiBrewha on Feb 5, 2009 4:50 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I messed up the wording in the first post: He’s the only regular on the Brewers risky enough to get the “red” designation. The Brewers are the only team in the majors with only such of these players; every other team as at least two players designated in the “red”.

by HRF on Feb 5, 2009 5:07 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Gotcha

That makes a lot more sense.

by MadJimiBrewha on Feb 5, 2009 5:10 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Goddammit:

“with only ONE such of these players” is how it should read.

I swear I have a brain tumor or something.

by HRF on Feb 5, 2009 5:11 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

it made sense the first time

to me at least…..sadly, that doesn’t say much

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by trippingandy on Feb 5, 2009 6:55 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

I thought Sheets decision to reject arbitration looked pretty dumb in retrospect before today...

… now it might be (financially) one of the worst decisions made by an MLB player in the free agency era. Maybe there’s no way they could have known he would need surgery at the time he turned down arbitration, but he’s just lost millions he’ll never get back.

Assuming he would have cleared 12 million in arbitration and assuming the best he can do now for this year is 5 million with incentives, and probably a lot worse, he’ll never make up that money before he retires. Maybe 7 million+ doesn’t mean all that much in the end if he gets healthy and makes another 30 million or more before he retires. But it’s just as likely that he loses the year or most of it, goes into next year’s free agency as damaged goods and pulls down a couple million plus incentives in 2010 and ends up out of the league in 5 years or less. That’s a pretty big hit to take.

At least now the events of the last few weeks (the near total lack of interest, the Rangers flirting, then backing away, and the apparent bad feeling he has toward Milwaukee) makes some sense.

Poor guy. I don’t see how anyone signs him before the June draft now. Does the MLB preclude the Brewers from kicking in for his rehab (which he’d never do in Milwaukee) in the hopes the goodwill it generates might make him look their way if he’s healthy late in the year? If we can’t get the picks, it would be nice to have a shot at getting him back if he can pitch late this year or next.

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 5, 2009 5:20 PM CST reply actions   0 recs

He never would have made $12 million.

He would have been awarded it in arbitration, but the Brewers, facing a $12 million bill for a player who won’t pitch until September at the earliest, could have cut him and owed him a small portion of it.

He’s not the worst pitcher ever, just the worst good pitcher.

by KLSnow on Feb 5, 2009 5:24 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

But you're assuming (and I know, I'm assuming a lot too)...

… that the Brewers would have discovered the ongoing arm problem before cutting a deal. I’m not sure that’s the case particularly given Melvin’s preference to avoid hearings. I guess I don’t know what the Brewers knew and when they knew it, but Ash sounded pretty floored in his comments, and if he would have accepted arbitration I just don’t think the situation would have been left out there as long as Hart’s has been. Maybe they would have caught it in the physical the deal was predicated on, but isn’t it common to push back physicals when you know the guy you’re signing is still recovering from an injury he suffered last year?

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by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Feb 5, 2009 6:41 PM CST up reply actions   0 recs

Shocker!

next thing you are going to tell me is that Andrew Bogut is hurt.

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