Stat gathering help, please!

by baumann on Mar 3, 2009 8:03 PM CST

Hey all. I'm in a pretty competitive points league on CBS Sportsline. We play for a good chunk of change, though it is amongst friends.

This league uses Quality Starts and Holds as categories, and the points these stats accrue is significant, but PECOTA does not project them. (I've adjusted the PECOTA spreadsheet to give me projected fantasy points based on the weighted means, which, of course, is pretty simple.)

I came up with a pretty reasonable way to estimate both of these stats based things PECOTA does project--the QS projections especially correlate to 2008 QS numbers without actually refering to said numbers, which is success enough for me. But, I think the formulas could be better if, for example, I had access to gamelogs in a spreadsheet format. I've tried to figure it out on Baseball-Reference and RetroSheet before, but I can't seem to do it. So . . .

1. does anyone want to tell me how to get that info, if it is to be had in the first place?

2. Does anyone know places that do project Holds and especially Quality Starts?

If nothing else I just want to fool around with this and get better at "projections" or "stat-y" things. I'm such a beginner here.

Thank you, informed and enlighted Brewers Fans (if I have "a people," you are it!)!

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I didn't read very carefully

but I’m pretty sure a recent BP Unfiltered update said that the PECOTA cards would soon be projecting holds. Or something about holds, anyway.

Holds, as I’m sure you need no convincing about, are colossally stupid.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Mar 3, 2009 8:23 PM CST reply actions

Dean Malenko disagrees.

by Zeyes on Mar 4, 2009 8:18 AM CST up reply actions

The man of 1000 holds!

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Mar 4, 2009 9:24 AM CST up reply actions

yes, of course.

also of course: i didn’t set the stat categories! if it was me i’d only give points for hit-and-runs attempted and grittiness.

"Nothing is working right now with a lot of the guys. We're trying to see pitches and see what we can do. ... I'm not going to sit there and walk, though. I'll eventually find it, and hopefully we'll still be in it." -Corey Hart

by baumann on Mar 4, 2009 11:50 AM CST up reply actions

The PFM over at BP now has holds

You’ll be able to access a projection for that. I believe you can throw in QSs as well.

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Mar 4, 2009 12:44 PM CST up reply actions

they do have QS—don’t know how i missed that, but there are no holds. if you are thinking H=Holds, it’s not—that’s Hits.

by baumann on Mar 4, 2009 10:39 PM CST up reply actions

just grab setup guys with chances to close and you'll be fine for holds.

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Mar 5, 2009 8:34 AM CST up reply actions

Holds are colossaly stupid

Tony Moll agrees.

by tcyoung on Mar 3, 2009 8:44 PM CST reply actions

Holds are stupid

but they are a stat just to get middle relievers and set up men into Fantasy.

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Mar 3, 2009 9:19 PM CST reply actions

well, right

it’s a band-aid for a bullet wound. If you rate pitchers in large part by wins and saves, middle relievers need some help.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Mar 4, 2009 8:26 AM CST up reply actions

thats the sad game we play

but man, is it ever fun

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Mar 4, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions

As a non-expert

Wouldn’t LOOGYs rack up the holds? They’d help in ERA and Ks, too. Maybe the hold stat doesn’t help LOOGYs, now there’s a stat that’s beyond my grasp.

The artist formerly known as jihad.

by Jordan M on Mar 3, 2009 10:13 PM CST reply actions

I'm surprised you statguys aren't fantasy guys

by tcyoung on Mar 3, 2009 11:30 PM CST reply actions

I think

you need to go here for more statistically appealing fantasy baseball games.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Mar 4, 2009 12:16 AM CST up reply actions

nice

I have a Strat-o-Matic board game from the 60’s or 70’s. It was my Uncle’s from when he was younger. I have absolutely no clue how to use it.

by tcyoung on Mar 4, 2009 7:47 AM CST up reply actions

I just can't

evaluate players in terms of wins, saves, losses, average, homers, etc. without regard to defense or hitting/pitching stats that actually matter. It’s tough to cross over.

The artist formerly known as jihad.

by Jordan M on Mar 4, 2009 7:51 AM CST up reply actions

but it's fun to look across the table at your opponent

and just know that you are going to kick his ass this year, and saying so.

I just sit back and root for the taser

by Hyatt on Mar 4, 2009 9:25 AM CST up reply actions

i was excited when i saw 13 comments.

thanks for nothing! ;-)

by baumann on Mar 4, 2009 12:13 PM CST reply actions

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