Game Thread #6: Cubs (3-2) at Brewers (2-3)
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 12, 2009 5:00 PM CDT
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What could you do with $357,142.87? I'm guessing a lot. I could pay off my student loans, buy my next house and still have something left over for to buy a small castle for Gorman. Instead, the Milwaukee Brewers will pay Jeff Suppan to make one start.
Tonight at 7, the Brewers are featured on Sunday Night Baseball, closing out home opener weekend against the Cubs. The Cubs will send Ryan Dempster to the mound for his second start. He pitched six innings and allowed two runs in a no decision last week. He's 8-2 with a 2.45 ERA in 35 career appearances against the Brewers. Jason Kendall will be happy to see him: Kendall has hit .432/.543/.514 against Dempster in his career. Corey Hart, however, could be in for a long day: he's hit .071/.235/.071 off Dempster.
For the Brewers, Jeff Suppan returns to the mound to try to rebound from a rough start to 2009. He allowed six runs in four innings on Tuesday. Suppan has been widely criticized lately, causing Doug Melvin to come to his defense earlier this week. Melvin noted that Suppan helped carry the team last August, which is true: Suppan went 5-0 in six starts with a 3.00 ERA in August. However, he's posted a 9.86 ERA in 28.1 innings since then, including one postseason start.
But, there is a bright spot on the horizon. We may not have the Project-o-tron anymore, so I've consulted the Project-o-ball for insight on today's game. When asked "Will Jeff Suppan get a quality start today?" the ball responded, "Yes, definitely."
The ball is never wrong. As proof, allow me to submit this evidence:
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No.
The first time I asked, it said YES. in giant capital letters, but I was too slow grabbing the screen shot.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Suppan
He may have helped carry the team for one month but didn’t the team have to pick up the slack for him most of the season?
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
Who needs Pitch F/X for Suppan when we have that
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by Hyatt on Apr 12, 2009 5:42 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm about to leave.
I’m going to be at the game tonight!
Maybe it isn’t too exciting but I only went to one game last year so I’m kind of excited.
Why not?
He’s holding out for a $5 million deal. I don’t know that he has a list of places he will or will not play.
Who would we boot out?
Soup? We paid too much to kick him out in my opinion.
YoGa and Parra- NO WAY
Looper-Just signed him this past year and he’s better than Soup
Bush-Pitched well last night, still scares me on the road though sometimes.
I’m happy with what we have unless we go after a Peavy or a true #1 unlike Soup
"At least we still have math on our side" - Ned Yost
I hate the argument
That a guy is making too much money to take him out of the starting rotation. A guy’s salary should have no relevance on his position on the team. In a perfect world where salary is directly correlated with ability this argument is valid, but that is obviously not the case here and now. That was basically the same argument that kept Gagne in the closers role last year far longer than he deserved.
Now I can’t say I’m in favor of a Pedro signing at this time and that Suppan shouldn’t be in the rotation at this time. I think Suppan should and will get a few more shots and I think he can at least give us decent #5 starter numbers over the long haul. As for Pedro, at this point in the season I think any team is crazy to touch him. It’s almost a forgone conclusion that he will get hurt at some point during the season, so the only way I see him being worth it is if he is still available with 2-3 months left in the season when the odds are a lot better he might actually be able to finish the season.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 12, 2009 6:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Nah. No he shouldn't.
Looper already pushed our budget to the breaking point, according to the front office. And he’s been injured pretty much since he left the Red Sox.
:) + Suppan = :'(
Wooo! Baseball!
I predict a high-scoring affair.
I see you're not feeling particularly risky today.
Seeing as Suppan is piching and all.
:) + Suppan = :'(
I like to be right, too.
I’m going to set the over/under on game thread posts at 23, and take the over.
:)
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 12, 2009 6:22 PM CDT up reply actions
i missed
last nights game due to going to watch Sunshine Cleaners but did Fukudome hit his HR with any authority or was it weak?
I think it was weak
I tried to black out as much as possible of the game…
"At least we still have math on our side" - Ned Yost
its
been an exciting/heartbreaking series for both teams fans so far
Lineup
Counsell’s batting second and playing third. Hart is sixth. Duffy’s batting seventh and playing center.
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Here are the full lineups
Brewers
2B Rickie Weeks
3B Craig Counsell
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
SS J.J. Hardy
RF Corey Hart
CF Chris Duffy
C Jason Kendall
RHP Jeff Suppan
Cubs
LF Alfonso Soriano
CF Kosuke Fukudome
1B Derrek Lee
RF Milton Bradley
3B Aramis Ramirez
2B Mike Fontenot
SS Ryan Theriot
C Koyie Hill
RHP Ryan Dempster
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Who else is watching on ESPN?
Anyone want to guess what the dumbest comment made will be?
my guess
“See, you guys have no concept. He’s a run-scorer. So there’s nothing weird about it. That’s what he does.”
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Sorry, Let me give you the full dumb comment that will be given
“That’s not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer. It doesn’t matter. It doesn’t matter! See, you guys have no concept. He’s a run-scorer. So there’s nothing weird about it. That’s what he does.”
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no you don't
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When Suppan is on the mound
no solo shot is meaningless. There are usually two guys on base ahead of him.
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Blasphemy!!!
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by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 12, 2009 6:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I hate to say this
But I could care less about your fantasy team. :-)
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
I always screw that up.
Should’ve stuck with “don’t give a shit.”
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
This no TV crap is pissing me off.
I can’t even get it on the radio. :(
I'm missing something
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I think I just did
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For the love of sauerkraut.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
ESPN Brilliance
“If he throws a fastball down the middle when a hitter is expecting a fastball, he can get in trouble.”
I can't get upset over Suppan anymore.
It’s like walking into traffic and being upset when you get hit.
I’m disgusted, but not surprised enough to be upset.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
I concur
I think at this point I just come in hoping he keeps it below 5 runs and makes it at least 4 innings.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 12, 2009 7:13 PM CDT up reply actions
yes
walking out into traffic can indeed lead to a disgusting sight.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 13, 2009 1:26 PM CDT up reply actions
i feel bad
for anyone who decided to go to tonight’s game even though they knew Suppan was pitching
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:12 PM CDT reply actions
I don't feel bad for anyone who made that mistake knowingly.
I feel bad for the people who bought tickets months ago, then got this matchup.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
So I've missed most of the last two games.
Who’s available for long relief in the pen today?
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
in a way
might it be better to see him get so battered that it becomes clear quickly to everyone—i.e. 2000 Jaime Navarro/John Snyder style—that he has to be pulled from the rotation, if not cut.
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:14 PM CDT reply actions
I'd prefer
That he doesn’t do it on national television though.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 12, 2009 7:15 PM CDT up reply actions
nice to see
we’ve saved our best for national TV
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:15 PM CDT reply actions
had we held on last night
tonight would be a gravy game, and it wouldn’t matter that Hot Garbage was pitching.
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions
ESPN Brilliance
Constructing their own batting order for the Cubs
will Miller/Morgan/Phillips
discuss the Brewers at all during this game, or is this just being broadcast to analyze the 2009 Cubs
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:17 PM CDT reply actions
At some point
Miller will mention that the Brewers lost Sabathia and Sheets.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 12, 2009 7:18 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
it was obvious
that this group had no knowledge about or interest in the Brewers when they introduced Suppan as though he were still considered a serious major league pitcher.
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:19 PM CDT up reply actions
Adam Eaton started a game today
Makes Suppan look better.
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Lincecum
got lit up by the Padres. Not a good couple of starts for him.
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Today's announcers
Going to be biased towards Cubs or Crew?
Loyal to Wisconsin sports regardless of who they play, usually.
he was the #1 pick
in my fantasy league.. I’m gonna laugh all the way to the bank on that. Of course my #1 pick was Cole Hamels, so maybe not so much…
Does Ramirez realize he's doing the Brewers a favor by running up Soup's pitch count?
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
WPA
is it possible for him to get negative WPA if he got a hit but it took like 20 pitches, thus leading to Soup’s early departure? I am only half joking.
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short answer
no.
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every time I see Aramis
I hate the Pittsburgh Pirates just a little bit more
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:21 PM CDT reply actions
I'd say the earliest now is July or so.
He had a setback a couple of weeks ago and was shut down for a while again.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Any word
On the seriousness of the set back?
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by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 12, 2009 7:26 PM CDT up reply actions
Last I heard
that he was going to be shut down for about three weeks before he started up again. That is all I have heard…
"At least we still have math on our side" - Ned Yost
Hopefully
It’s not career threatening. He the type of guy I would love to see have a successful comeback.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 12, 2009 7:28 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing I've heard.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
seriously
I feel like Suppan only surrendering 1 first inning run is a major moral victory for the Crew
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:22 PM CDT reply actions
More like Dempster will return the favor to Rickie.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
I thought we weren't platooning Hall this year?
Did I miss something?
apparently Dempster has extreme platoon splits
So they’re trying to be lefty-heavy tonight
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Dempster has a pretty extreme r/l split.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
i am so pleased
that I may be able to start wearing my Rickie Weeks jersey from 2006 in public again
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions
What's weird
He’s only hitting .238 so far but people are in general looking past that right now.
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true
the D seems to be much better so far this year. Whether the numbers show that is another story. Something about perception and reality.
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I thought Counsell was from Whitefish Bay?
ESPN says he’s from South Bend, IN.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Born in South Bend
Grew up and still lives in Whitefish Bay
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Ok good
We can keep calling him Whitefish Boy then.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
yep
lives down the street from my parents, who live across the street from his cousin’s old house. Craiggers played for WFBHS back in the day.
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 13, 2009 1:32 PM CDT up reply actions
I have a strange desire
to have Craig Counsell as a buddy. I really don’t know why.
I can dig
He seems like a guy who could help you set up your entertainment center or something.
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especially for $1 million
"my goodness"
by BrewHaHeather on Apr 12, 2009 7:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Joe Morgan loves counting stats.
Ryan Braun led the Brewers in HR and RBI last season, so there’s no more room for him to improve.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
It pisses me off when they say they hate stats
They don’t hate stats. They only hate the good ones.
The artist formerly known as jihad.
Nice to see
Cubs fans representing themselves accurately on national TV
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I'll take a run scoring wild pitch at this point.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Tied up!
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Alright
I’ll take it. How about a little clutch hitting from Hart now.
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Hart
needs to come through here. though a walk would be perfectly okay.
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:35 PM CDT reply actions
This is the Ryan Dumpster
we all know and love.
A nd the Corey Hart we unfortunately recognize.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
yes
here’s hoping the Cum Dumpster returns to form in 2008.
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions
like that?
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by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 12, 2009 7:35 PM CDT up reply actions
Hart
a single would score at least one run and would put the Cubs one healthy catcher in danger.
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Was that bad wood for Hart?
That ball looked like he hit it on the barrel but the bat busted.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
yeah
really looked like he hit that one right.
by Braunstalker on Apr 12, 2009 7:39 PM CDT up reply actions
Yeah, it looked like he nailed it.
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on Apr 12, 2009 7:40 PM CDT up reply actions
If he would have knocked it solid
I would have won my fantasy matchup. Next time around I guess.
4.5?
or should I go with 3.5?
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I'm going with 10 2/3
and I’m taking the under.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 12, 2009 7:41 PM CDT up reply actions
we were talking about this game
not the season.
/wishful thinking
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No way Soup has a 1-2-3 inning
/anti-jinx
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No way the Crew puts 5 runs on the board next inning
/worked the first time
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Dominating inning for Soup
I’m taking the Over
I've got a great idea
Home/road platoon with McClung anyone?
Let's not forget
NLDS Game 4
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:48 PM CDT up reply actions
Chorizo is my favorite too.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
It'll happen on a day when he's catching Bush.
Then catching Bush will be credited for his hot streak and Rivera will never play again.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
So we better hope
that he never, ever catches Bush…
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Anyone else notice
that the ESPN announcers seem to talk about the Cubs all the time. Is this a bias anyone else notices? Even in our half inning.
by BuffaloBrewerBabe on Apr 12, 2009 7:48 PM CDT reply actions
We've already mentioned this
But yeah, the Brewers are certainly the “other team in attendance” tonight.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
its less a bias
then the fact that they don’t have a clue about the Brewers because these guys never watch/cover them. Miller & Morgan have done a Brewers game…never?
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:49 PM CDT up reply actions
Bias? on ESPN?
Surely you jest!
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Didn't call the game-losing pitch last night
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ESPN confirms what we already expected.
Soriano’s HR was grooved.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
I'm happy Soriano refuses to bat higher up in the order
Imagine if he hit all those HR’s with men on base
"certain guys mindset says"
got that?
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions
He contradicted himself 3 times in that one sentence
“soriano has driven in 100 runs, he’s an rbi guy”
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100 runs contradicts with RBI
are you begging to differ with “guy” as well?
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 13, 2009 1:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, he said that
Soriano had the mindset of a leadoff hitter, and his production would get much worse if he hit down in the order. Then he said that he used to be a RBI hitter, like a middle of the order guy. Then he said pitchers would pitch him differently if he hit lower in the order.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Suppan wanted that call...
… but it didn’t look close to me.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 12, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions
ESPN
These guys are talking so fast they don’t have time to breathe because they’re so interested in arguing with each other
Breathe, or think.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Classic Joe Morgan
“Soriano only bats lead-off once a game”
As Soriano just lead off an inning for the second time
35% of this broadcast
has been dedicated to discussing Soriano. 75% to discussing the Cubs’ batting order.
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
sorry
the Soriano/batting order topics have overlapped.
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions
At least they're giving 110%...
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Thankfully
The broadcasters are giving 110%
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Red Sox-Yankees rivalry reference
I’ve got BINGO!
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions
ESPN update!
“There was a semi-altercation in a Red Sox game! Oh yeah, and other teams continue to exist.”
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Saturday
Suppan versus Santana in New York. Jeff, get your tickets for the sure to be classic pitcher’s duel.
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Pitcher's dual like
Indiana Jones with the gun vs ninja with a sword
I had tickets for that
but I have to go to Boston on Saturday, so I sold them and got tickets for the Friday game. Livan Hernandez vs. Bush; actually might be an alright matchup
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yes
I like the Crew’s chances much better in the Friday game.
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actually, I do have tickets for that
my Mets-fan friend (Jessica from Take the 7 Train) used to be worried about jinxing santana starts. Little reason to fear this time.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 12, 2009 8:12 PM CDT up reply actions
shocking turn
back towards discussing the Brewers
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 8:02 PM CDT reply actions
error corrected
back to discussing D-Lee
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Oh, I get it now
Suppan tosses meatballs and gives up lots of hits so guys get used to swinging, and then starts pitching out of the zone so they chase…or at least I think that’s what Joe Morgan was saying…
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Soupy really battled today.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Their analysis of Suppan...
… essentially boiled down to: “He sucks. He just has to hope they opposing team is stupid.”
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 12, 2009 8:07 PM CDT up reply actions
He doesn't suck
It’s called being gritty
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So is this Dempster's "talent"? I'm turning off the game before they get to the swimsuit competition.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 12, 2009 8:06 PM CDT reply actions
hey that guy managed the Mets!
let’s talk about him—America will be interested
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions
No mention of the fact that he's the fifth best 2B in Brewer history.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
whose hobbies will we discuss next?
Aramis’s? Lee’s?
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
yeah, well who one more playoff games morgan?
by BuffaloBrewerBabe on Apr 12, 2009 8:09 PM CDT reply actions
He got some...
elevation, anyway.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Morgan
trying to pick a fight with Phillips
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 8:12 PM CDT reply actions
“…I don’t think if you ask any good hitter what his favorite part of the game is, they’ll say hitting.”
Joe Morgan.
my cat's breath
smells like cat food
Joe Morgan
Ralph Wigam
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if the announcers had been calling the game
we might have been aware of the shift.
by James Stanley Cocanower on Apr 12, 2009 8:13 PM CDT reply actions
yes
it looked like he was checking a runner even though there were 2 outs
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Time for a new thread
Join me here.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
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