Game Thread #13a
by battlekow on Apr 21, 2009 7:55 PM CDT
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"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
and to all a goodnight
sorry folks. i don’t have the constitution to watch any more of this. i’m gonna go cry in the shower
The Senator, while insisting he was not drunk, could not explain his nudity.
What's the record
What’s the record for most runs walked in by a team in a season?
by Gallardo's Right Arm on Apr 21, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions
brewers vs phillies pitchers
its the pathetic thing… tomorrow, that should be the teams goal… not to walk a pitcher, they score anywhere from 5-7 runs when that happens
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
You gotta hand it to the Phillies....
a steaming pile.
by heybatterbatter on Apr 21, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions
Bloody embarassing.
Getting to the point where this stuff is going to start hurting the bottom line. I don’t think Attanasio’s the kind of owner who’s going to sit on his hands and watch that happen.
But I’m not sure what he can do at this point.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2009 7:57 PM CDT reply actions
That was Ryan Howard
Or was it the president?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
That was Ryan Howard
…
You racist.
(/sarcasm, in case it wasn’t obvious)
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I fail
I’m sure if a friend of mine in Philly heard me say that, I’d have a sore rear end by now. XD
Good thing Pags isn't around.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
ouch.
still remember last season that vividly?
i suppose it’s the only thing left to cling to
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 21, 2009 8:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ok time to go cook up and stop the pain for this night at least
Let me spell it for you Cub fans O N E H U N D R E D A N D O N E Y E A R S
by WSB Chris on Apr 21, 2009 7:58 PM CDT reply actions 1 recs
nice
the Crew has us making heroin jokes in April
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by molitorfan on Apr 21, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Milwalkee?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Quick, vote to whether I should change Milwaukee to Milwalkee in the blog's subtitle
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
by battlekow on Apr 21, 2009 8:00 PM CDT up reply actions 2 recs
no question
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
yes
Beets. Bears. Battlestar Galactica.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on Apr 21, 2009 8:16 PM CDT up reply actions
Back from McDonalds with a McFlurry
Same inning… many more runs…
Would you please
stay the fugging home!
by heybatterbatter on Apr 21, 2009 7:59 PM CDT up reply actions
I hope Macha leaves Swindle in
‘cause about the only reason to keep watching this is to see what he’s got.
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And on the Deadliest Catch re-run...
… a man just hit his head on the hull of his own boat.
Is that the fishing equivalent of walking in a run?
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2009 7:59 PM CDT reply actions
To be fair, he was diving in the freaking Bering Sea
It’s like a little leaguer walking Albert Pujols.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
The best thing that could happen
is for this game to get rained out
by Gallardo's Right Arm on Apr 21, 2009 8:00 PM CDT reply actions
too bad
this isn’t a track meet or the Phils’ win wouldn’t count
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Why do I think
it’s just you and me on this thread, anymore!
by heybatterbatter on Apr 21, 2009 8:01 PM CDT reply actions
Actually
that is the Western Pennyslvania “positive anymore” usage.
/Linguistics nerd
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Best perfomance for Milwaukee tonite....
goes to Daniel Gokey – and he sucks too
Thank goodness
Now there’s a space in the front row….
by heybatterbatter on Apr 21, 2009 8:05 PM CDT up reply actions
I wish bringing Ryan Braun into my college classes would make me the coolest kid in school
But I think no one would really know who he is.
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And bodily fluids
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
WTF
are we doing here now?
This is over!!!!!!
by heybatterbatter on Apr 21, 2009 8:08 PM CDT reply actions
Manny Parra
Forget Jorge Julio — he’s gone when Hoffman gets back anyway and he’s not supposed to be good. What really sucks for me in this game was how awful Manny Parra looked. The Brewers NEED him to be a competent pitcher, and to be blunt, he looks like an idiot out there throwing strange pitches in the wrong counts while his control disappears into a black hole.
He had his time to mature in an environment where he didn’t have to be The Man, and I realize he did well to reclaim his career after injuries. But how many erratic outings does he get? I suppose without depth, he gets plenty more.
Alright.
I get it, but I keep coming back to the question: Do you want Suppan or Parra in the rotation? Because you can’t can them both with our depth or lack thereof. I’ll take Parra, personally.
Regardless, the problem with this staff isn’t likely to be fixed by pulling one guy out of the rotation.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Well
considering his last outing wasn’t all that bad, my guess is more than one before he’s DFA’d.
"You have no honor!" - McClung to Fukudome
Did Manny ever pitch to Rivera in the minors?
Change of backstop maybe?
by MillerParkSouth on Apr 21, 2009 8:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I thought Rivera caught his perfect game...
Am I making that up?
Rivera did indeed catch that
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True, but
After a horrible first inning, he really did recover and pitch well. He’s proven that he can be a solid major league pitcher, he just needs to do it more often. I still feel he can be successful, and it would be wrong to give up on him now.
To put it another way, if he had looked like Suppan did in his first two starts, I’d be a lot more worried. Of course, Suppan came back to form on Sunday, so that shows what I know.
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Yeah, I wasn't saying DFA him tomorrow
You have to give him a ton more starts before formulating an opinion about his direction. At least with Suppan, it’s a question of talent — dude’s has a seriously low ceiling, and if he gets smacked around, you kind of just have to say “it’s gonna happen.” With Manny, it’s almost his decision making, and it’s been the same thing for many months now. He recovered and pitched well because he finally threw his curveball…where was that on 1-2 against Ibanez?
by Et tu Brewte on Apr 21, 2009 8:14 PM CDT up reply actions
Well, I was wondering about this earlier
But, and I’m definitely no expert, but I think I’d rather the problem be decision-making more than anything else. It seems like decision-making should be relatively easier to fix.
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Pardon the bluntness
But the guy seems to have zero stones. I dunno. Jorge Del la Rosa 2.
Still pro-Cameron
Reply fail
That was meant as a reply to the et tu’s Parra post (agreeing essentially)
Still pro-Cameron
what are you still doing with it?
it lasts me about 30 seconds
by PagsBrewCrew on Apr 21, 2009 8:37 PM CDT up reply actions
From a frequent over-reacter
Parra is probably fine. He pitched badly, it happens. Do you guys really suggest sending him down? He’s pretty dang awesome overall. And he only had 3 walks (not to diminish how much he sucked tonight).
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Rivera...pinch-hitting in the 7th?
But….Kendall is never pinch-hit for in the 9th?
head asplodes
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Nah
They could still put Counsell at second.
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why not put in rivera in for kendall
instead of pinch hitting
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Now, I don't really have the expertise to know much about this
But is there blame to be placed with Billy Castro? I’ve never listened to a string of Brewers games with so many terrible walks. Where did all our control go?
I thought that, too
But then again, five quality starts in a row preceding this debacle…even the small sample isn’t a bad one in that regard, if you subscribe to the value of a QS
by Et tu Brewte on Apr 21, 2009 8:20 PM CDT up reply actions
There's clearly a pitcher problem
However, I think we have to wait and see if Castro can solve it. If he can’t fix it, then we can start to put some blame on Castro.
I just want someone to blame, Darnit!
And I like the players so much that I’d rather blame the pitching coach.
Me too
I was thinking about it as late as last night; I probably won’t get another chance to go to a Brewers game this year, though.
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nope
thought about it, but by the time i was ready to make a decision, it would’ve been really expensive to get a ticket from which I could actually see the game.
Also, cheese.
by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 21, 2009 8:29 PM CDT up reply actions
Parra's velocity is a bit down to start this year
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
I think tonight was closer to 90. I’ll download the pbp file from mlb.com later, if you guys aren’t sick of pitch f/x stuff yet.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
never sick of it
just need to see some swindle! if it even registered his pitches
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
I KNEW the rain dance would work.
Please, be merciful to us, Mr. Crew Chief, and call the game. With all the green, it’s almost certain.
Speaking of tonight's crew chief
Joe West umped his first game at age 23.
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Anyone on gameday
Go to the TOR-TEX game and look at CJ Wilson’s facial hair (he’s the pitcher right now)
Hey guys don't overreact you casuals Doug Melvin knows everything Ned is good casuals just don't understand look at the sample size casuals
Manny Parra may be the most underachieving pitcher in the majors. He could easily get by with just his fastball for 5 innings a game, and sure, he’d allow a few runs, but he’d challenge hitters, move the ball in and out, up and down, and not be, for lack of a better phrase, a very stupid pitcher. He simply appears to be completely overmatched in the brains department. On 1-2, he simply throws a fastball right down the middle, to a LH bat, no less.
If Jeff Suppan had Parra’s stuff, he may never lose a game. Parra’s performance, since July of last year, is simply embarrassing. The question asked about a lefty with his stuff should be whether or not he’s going to be good or great, not whether or not he’s going to manage to make it out of the first inning.
Oof.
I put a shenanigans on this. Seriously? And you all have to know where it’s from.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
I still am in shock after reading this, several minutes later
The most underachieving pitcher in the majors?
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
He could get by with just his fastball but it's stupid he threw a fastball.
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It's Al. He didn't take anything.
It’s rife with hyperbole, which always gets him into trouble, but at the risk of being mocked, I’m not sure he’s wrong on a broad, general level. The specifics he tries for are contradictory and he’s got a habit of making huge leaps of “logic”, but I think it’s fair to say that Parra seems to have a difficult time pitching effectively regularly despite having the pitches to do so. If that’s the point he was trying to get across, he’s not wrong; he’s just taking it too far.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2009 8:38 PM CDT up reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, I'd agree
His basic point is: Parra: has great stuff, uses it poorly. If he used it well, he’d be great. If someone like, say, Suppan, who has poor stuff and is forced to use it well to succeed (hasn’t worked for him lately, but has in the past) had great stuff along with the knowledge of how to use it, he’d be great.
Now the question is if my summary is any better/more understandable than what he said.
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He's under the impression Parra isn't that good though
He put up a 4.16 Fip and 4.38 era and about 4.40 tra last year. That’s fricking good, by all three potential measures of a pitcher’s effectiveness. He strikes out a lot of guys and gets a ton of ground balls. He was a better pitcher last year than Jeff Suppan was in his very best year. He doesn’t need fixing. It’s the difference between ace and good 2 or 3 if he “figures out how to pitch”.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Also note that a 4.40 tRA is equivalent to a 4.04 ERA
tRA is on the RA scale, not the ERA scale
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He had a 4.67 or something tRA
Way ahead of you :)
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Context!
I never thought I’d see this sequence of letters: “Jeff Suppan… may never lose a game”
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
I wonder if he's messing with me at this point
Gee, do you think there was any overreacting there? That was over six starts, not just two like Suppan has had thus far. Any talk of Arroyo being “done”? Moving him to the bullpen? And, notice what he did in May, never mind his season totals reverted back near his career norms.
I’ve said it once, and I’ll say it again…if you are ignorant enough to base decisions on 4% of the season, you will release or send down every guy on the team…many several times. I expect Jeff to end up with an ERA between 4.50 and 5…if memory serves, his results were rough early in Arizona as well, and then he made some adjustments, and he was fine. My only real concern is if he is healthy, if not, matching his numbers may prove to be very tough.
If Jeff Suppan had Parra’s stuff, he may never lose a game. Parra’s performance, since July of last year, is simply embarrassing. The question asked about a lefty with his stuff should be whether or not he’s going to be good or great, not whether or not he’s going to manage to make it out of the first inning.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Don't flatter yourself
You make it sound like you’re the only intelligent person reading…er…
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It's funny...
… he may have it completely wrong. I don’t think Parra’s dumb. I think his head is too far up his own a**. I think he thinks too much and he pitches scared. JMO.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2009 8:41 PM CDT up reply actions
So you think
he’s so smart he’s dumb? :-p
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I analyze things too much. I could have pitched a great inning, or even a great game, and I’ll go in and analyze things too much, think to myself, ‘Well, maybe I could have done this better.’ I wonder if that makes me better or not. I think it can make you better but also can make you worse, when you analyze things too much. You can’t be better than what you are. If you throw a curveball and the guy swings and misses, you can’t go back out there and throw it even better.
Manny Parra, 2003
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Sure, and that's fine
but there’s a difference between saying— he could be better if he pitched “smarter”, and, essentially, he sucks because he is a stupid idiot on the mound. Parra is good and Parra will be good. The most underachieving pitcher in the majors is one of the most hyperbolic baseball statements that were intended to be serious that I have ever read.
Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.
Well, maybe this is just my reading
But I feel like what he was saying was closer to the former (could be better if he pitched “smarter”) than the latter (sucks because he is a stupid idiot on the mound). He’s underachieving because when he doesn’t do well, it’s for reasons that should be entirely avoidable.
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You appear to think we're arguing.
I don’t think we’re arguing. I think we’re agreeing.
by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on Apr 21, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions
Sorry I'm late,
But Julio should find himself out of work tomorrow. Awful!!!!!!!!!! I’m sure we’ve got someone in AAA that can walk boatloads of batters and throw wild pitches…
We could be waiting a while...
My friend in Philly says she’s waited three hours at times for games to be called.
Heh, umpires
They think the Brewers could make a game of it.
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Not surprising
They do that in Denver too. I stayed around until 9 waiting for a game to get called (I should have left, but there was this thing called “not being local” that is the problem— I <3 stadiums with roofs)
The bases-loaded walk
When it was 3-2, did anyone really doubt that ball 4 was coming?
Before the season, I would have sworn that 2 bases-loaded walks per team per season was about right. We should now be good through 2012.
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gamel homered again
and no errors yet…trying to find the light at the end of the tunnel
I know this ....
Some one up above questioned his pitch selection, but as you all remember macha is calling that game nowm not kendal. I know it got brought up a week ago. Maybe this is erioualy the problem. I say you let the catchers go back to calling the game. They know what pitches are working better the Macha. Anyone else have anyone thought about this??
I'm not 100% postive
But I’m pretty sure Macha is only controlling the running game from the bench (i.e. called pick-offs, pitch-outs, etc.), not calling every pitch.
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by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 21, 2009 9:33 PM CDT up reply actions
I am 100% positive
That is indeed the case
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that is
it is the case that Macha is controlling the running game, not calling pitches.
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Huh?
What evidence do you have to support the claim that Macha is calling the pitches?
Still pro-Cameron
We discussed Macha taking control from the bench earlier
But it was in regards to the running game, not pitch calling.
With that said, it’s possible he’s doing that too.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Fine
But his point seems clearly to be pitch by pitch, which I contend is a ridiculous idea. (no offense BigDogg)
Still pro-Cameron
Weather.com is predicting storms ending after midnight.
Radar looks like it might clear up soon.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
OK, so I haven't been paying attention too closely to the scores tonight...
…but I just saw the highlights on ESPN. What the (#(&$(&#$ is going on out there???
It was like watching a Little League team! Those guys were laughing at the Brewers. They also had a stat:
The Brewers have been losing at one point or another in every game they’ve played.
At this point it’s a bit more alarming than just “oh it’s the first few games”. There is a ridiculous trend going on here. This is basically the same team as last year and yet they are folding like a house of cards. How many walks are our pitchers going to issue? Can Castro not handle being the full fledged pitching coach? Why are we making so many errors on the field too?
I can believe some of the problems can be attributed to poor performance by the players. But some of this has to be poor coaching. I don’t see how we could possibly regress this badly.
Oh, and get rid of Jorge Julio.
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by dishingoutdimes on Apr 21, 2009 9:46 PM CDT reply actions
So the game is back
But now Gameday Audio won’t work. Anyone else listening to it?
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Finally got it working again.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 21, 2009 10:01 PM CDT up reply actions
I prefer my punishment on TV
Still pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Apr 21, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions
Nothing nearly as bad as what's wrong with Villanueva.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
by Kyle Lobner on Apr 21, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Ready for the PH probably
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by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 21, 2009 10:03 PM CDT up reply actions
Pinch hit
for Kendall!
practicing for tomorrow night and beyond
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You do realize that this is impossible
Rivera already in/out
Still pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Apr 21, 2009 10:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Ah, but
Have McGehee go 2B-C, and bring in Craigers to play 2B. It’s perfect.
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Who's going to score the 8th run in the 9th then?
Still pro-Cameron
by Lake County on Apr 21, 2009 10:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I know I am!
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Well, I complained about Duffy, Nelson and McGehee not getting enough playing time
And they’ve all gotten a shot tonight.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Braun's first five-hit game of his career.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
The leap in batting average
Early in the season after one good game is still kind of awesome.
by Et tu Brewte on Apr 21, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions
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