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Over the last two weeks I've linked to 62 predictions in the Frosty Mug that projected the Brewers' position in the NL Central: the average projection was 3.18, or a little worse than third place. I'm not quite optimistic enough to project the Brewers to win the Central, but I do think they're better than that. Two of the nine voters in this post have the Brewers winning the Central, with an average ranking of 2.3. I think that's a little closer.

Here are my picks:

1. Chicago Cubs (86-76)

They're easily the consensus picks to win the division. The Cubs appeared in first place on 26 of 26 ballots collected by The Hardball Times. For about the 101st consecutive season, they're a trendy pick to win the World Series. I'm willing to call them the odds-on favorite in the Central, but not a prohibitive one, because i think this Cubs team could be a disappointment and a disaster.

Milton Bradley is a great bat when he's healthy, but he's averaged just 80.5 games in the outfield over the last eight seasons, and hasn't played 100 games in the field since 2004. We also have yet to see how his sunny disposition will respond to playing frequent day games in Chicago with Carlos Zambrano, who could be one more Red Bull away from a meltdown at any moment. Rich Harden could win the Cy Young if he makes 30 starts, but a 60 inning season is just as likely.

Make no mistake, I think this team is good, but I'm not confident enough in them to hand them the division. I think they'll be 2009's most disappointing playoff team: They'll perform dramatically below expectations, but somehow stay in the race and win the division in the last week of the season. I also think there's a small chance they could collapse entirely, like the 2008 Tigers.

2. Milwaukee Brewers (85-77)

The Brewers will need a little help from the Cubs to make the playoffs. I've mentioned several times in comments of other posts that I would not be surprised with a finish anywhere between 78 and 88 wins. If the Cubs only win 86, then that leaves the Brewers in playoff contention. They're likely not good enough to win the 90 or so games it will take to win the Wild Card, but I do think they'll be in the division race down the stretch, and I do think they'll have an opportunity to play in October again. I just think they'll finish a little short of it.

3. St. Louis Cardinals (81-81)

Not a bad team, but not a good one, either. Tony La Russa and Albert Pujols give them just enough to stay on the fringe of the division conversation, but there's not enough here to win over the course of 162 games. They'll make a run in September to inch back into the fringe of contention. That finish will make it look like they were closer than they were, just like they did in the last week of the 2008 season.

4. Cincinnati Reds (80-82)

Behold the trendy pick. They've gathered some pitching, gone young on offense and convinced the pundits that they're ready, but they won't hit enough to compete. Certaintly, they'll strike out a lot less without Adam Dunn, but they'll miss his power. This team does have a lot of young pitching but, among active managers, Dusty Baker may be the man least qualified to maximize their abilities and keep them healthy.

5. Houston Astros (72-90)

I'm not sure I understand why, but the fact that this Astros team isn't very good will surprise a fair number of people, including Cecil Cooper, who predicted this team could win 90 games and could be the first manager fired in 2009. Roy Oswalt and Lance Berkman could be cornerstones for a lot of franchises, but the Astros don't have enough to follow them: Brian Moehler, Mike Hampton and Russ Ortiz are all opening the season in the rotation. If Oswalt or Berkman miss significant time, this team could flirt with 100 losses.

6. Pittsburgh Pirates (65-97)

While the 2-5 teams seem to rotate around a bit in the other predictions, almost everyone seems confident the Pirates will finish in last place, and it's hard to argue with them. Unlike past seasons, they're headed in the right direction and won't be this bad forever, but they're not there yet, and they'll be hard-pressed to compete with the Astros to stay out of the cellar.

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Sixty-two predictors on other sites gave the Brewers an average finish of 3.18, and nine predictors here on the site gave them an average finish of 2.3. Where do you think they'll finish?
Division champs!
76 votes
Second
224 votes
Third
45 votes
Fourth
13 votes
Fifth
3 votes
Dead Last!
3 votes

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by MadJimiBrewha on Apr 6, 2009 7:04 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Reds

I posted this in another thread, but I’m still kind of shocked Laynce Nix is on their Opening Day roster by choice.

Also, regarding the Astros, it’s not just Oswalt or Berkman who could cost the team if injured. There’s not much depth anywhere, is there?

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by TheJay on Apr 6, 2009 7:51 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

They do have a lot of crappy catchers

jeff: but i shudder to think of the bullpen analogy to sending the runner

by battlekow on Apr 6, 2009 8:02 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But most of their other talent, with rare exceptions (Hunter Pence, maybe) is close enough to replacement level that losing them and replacing them with replacement level talent wouldn’t be a major blow.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Apr 6, 2009 9:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Our left-handed outfielders went from being Dunn, Griffey, and Bruce to Bruce, Dickerson, and Nix

About the only positive thing I can think of with having Nix on the roster is that periodically I can throw together a thread called the Laynce Nix Daynce Mix and ask what everybody else is listening to.

by Brendanukkah on Apr 7, 2009 11:26 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I

realize that I might be viewed as being a dick but 86 wins for the Cubs is below even the most pessimistic of major projection systems. 86 seems like wishful thinking to me.

by ACB on Apr 6, 2009 8:07 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Sheehan has you winning 87

Of course, he also has the Brewers winning 79 and said that if he was wrong about the Brewers, it was on the high side. So fuck him.

jeff: but i shudder to think of the bullpen analogy to sending the runner

by battlekow on Apr 6, 2009 8:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it was wishful thinking

I’d have predicted them for 76, not 86.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Apr 6, 2009 9:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

well

we will just have to see by the end of the year but the main jab against the Cubs seems to be injury which isnt really a specific problem. Gallardo could tear his ACL just as easily as Bradley could tear his.

by ACB on Apr 6, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're right, freak injuries could happen to anyone.

But repetitive injuries, the kind that keep guys off the field about half the time for season after season, seem to focus specifically on guys like Rich Harden and Milton Bradley.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Apr 6, 2009 9:15 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

but is a rotation of

Z, Dempster, Lilly, Marshall and F7/Heilman/Aktins really going to cause them to lose that many games?

by ACB on Apr 6, 2009 9:16 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Harden by himself isn't the difference between 96 and 86

But he might be the difference between 96 and 92 or so, with Milton Bradley’s eventual meltdown bringing it down to 89 or so, etc.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on Apr 6, 2009 9:20 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would also say that it's a bad idea to project any team to win more than 95 games.

It’s just too rare, and the reason people look so bad on projections (like Steve Phillips) is that they have such large standard deviations between teams.

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by Jack Moore on Apr 6, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm being extra careful this year.

I don’t think any team will win more than 75 games.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on Apr 6, 2009 10:51 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

an the other question

is what have the cubs done to regress by 11 games (granted their pythag wasn’t 97 wins) ?

by ACB on Apr 6, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Outside of Harden and Bradley's eventual injuries

i’ll start with Lee’s continued decline, Dempster’s coming back to earth, Z’s continued decline. That enough for you?

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by Hyatt on Apr 7, 2009 7:14 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

here's

the thing- all the projection systems already take that into account. So unless you multiple systems are all wrong about 5 players your reasoning doesnt hash out.

It is possible that they could all regress dramatically/get injured at the same time but it isn’t likely.

by ACB on Apr 7, 2009 8:28 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's the thing

I personally predict that all 5 will happen. Harden won’t top 20 starts, Dempster will drop down to a mediocre starter. Bradley won’t play 100 games. Zambrano will struggle to break 4.00 ERA, and Derek Lee will struggle to Slug .450.

That’s my personal projection. Though even with all that, I personally still see the cubs winning 87-89 games and the division.

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by Hyatt on Apr 7, 2009 8:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

fair enough

like the crusty TV commentators are fond of saying- thats why they play the games

by ACB on Apr 7, 2009 8:54 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

managing

I think that Macha/Randolph will account for about 4-5 wins more than what Yost would give us. That should help us replace Sheets/Sabathia.

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by dishingoutdimes on Apr 6, 2009 9:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think that the WC will take more than 87 games.

The West champion likely will be around 86, like last year, and the Mets, Phils, and Braves will likely beat up on each other. I think 87 is the magic number for the WC.

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by Jack Moore on Apr 6, 2009 10:23 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

So what you're saying is...

Math is on our side?

jeff: but i shudder to think of the bullpen analogy to sending the runner

by battlekow on Apr 6, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In my perfect world.

Always.

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by Jack Moore on Apr 7, 2009 2:00 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well… My girlfriend is getting her Phd in Industrial Engineering and she said the Crew will take it all… of course, as good at math as she is, she only watches baseball to humor me.. and goggle Braun. So, at least a mathemitition is on our side!

by Braunstalker on Apr 7, 2009 2:31 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

NLC

Cubs 89 wins
Reds 85 wins
Cards 84 wins
Brewers 82 wins
Astros 72 wins
Pirates 70 wins

by backtocali on Apr 7, 2009 8:32 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

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