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Mock Draft - John Sickels

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2009/5/13/874264/mod-milwaukee-brewers-2009-draft

I was the first to respond over on the MiLB board in a call to be your teams Scouting Director for a Mock Draft for 2009.

I have set up a "diary" as requested on the blog, the link to it is posted above.

I invite you all to come over and talk about the Brewer draft this year, and this is suppsoed to be a group effort in coming up with a pick.

Unlike Jack Z, I am someone who prefers pitching (college with little time to arrival at the MLB level) and like to go after players with multiple tools.

Great thing about this is we dont have to worry about things like signability.

Take a look and leave comments if you wish. 

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Given your ra-ra attitude towards the crew

I’d say you are as good of choice as Tom H

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on May 14, 2009 12:33 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

"rah-rah"

The last thing in the world you want in a position like that is a “fan”.

Of course this is all pretend, but I was the first to respond, and I know what I am talking about on the draft, so its not as bad as you make it out to be.

by backtocali on May 14, 2009 12:53 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think you're delusional if you believe...

… that you’re going to find a lot of people who frequent this site who care who it is you select in this mock draft on behalf of the brewers. If I’m wrong, good for you. Personally, I think you should probably examine your motives for this entire endeavor, not because what you’re doing actually matters to anyone but you, but because your actions suggest to me that you need therapy.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 14, 2009 5:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's not quite fair.

There are a lot of people who care a fair amount about the Brewers and their selections in the draft, and this draft is kind of a big deal over at Minor League Ball. So the least we can do is share opinions on the specific players or types of players we think the Brewers should be pursuing in this draft.

Personally, after last year’s pitcher-heavy draft, I’d like to see the Brewers look for a couple of impact bats. The lower levels of the minor league system don’t have a lot of depth, position player wise, at present, and the Brewers early draft picks would project to be big leaguers around the time Ryan Braun and others are getting ready for free agency.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on May 14, 2009 5:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

TSSC: chat douche

yeah, I might not care either, but I do care how well the actual Brewers do in the actual draft. Whether this guy was the first guy to respond to a public invite or not, I could care less. But he cares about who the Milwaukee Brewers get, which is more “impactful” on our “lives” than fantasy baseball.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 14, 2009 5:30 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

If not wanting to snuggle up to backtocali makes me what you're calling me...

… then I’m guilty as charged. I don’t play fantasy baseball and I’ve never mentioned it on this site, so I’m not sure where that came from. Personally, i think backtocali cares a lot less about who the Brewers get (in real life, which matters, or this mock draft, which, uh, doesn’t) than he does continuing to have the opportunity to force himself on the Brewer fans that frequent this site. I also never suggested that I didn’t care who the Brewers get in real life, just that i didn’t care what backtocali’s drafting philosophy is or who he thinks they should take.

Maybe you think my response to backtocali was an isolated reaction to this specific post. It wasn’t. It came from a broader context, and if it offended anyone other than him, then I apologize to them. But not to backtocali.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 14, 2009 7:23 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

err...

didn’t mean to imply that you were a fantasy baseball fan. I was just pointing out that it’s a bit more realistic to be able to pick from the pool of incoming players than it is to magically construct a new team out of existing big league stars. Because at this point any of the draftees CAN be assigned to any of the existing teams at large.

But yeah, in a mock draft where he represents the Brewers, he should do research to see what the likely picks the brewers will make, not add his personal biases.

I think he should get bonus points for seeing who the brewers will actually pick, at least in the early rounds;)

by PagsBrewCrew on May 15, 2009 12:08 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Dude

You really seem to dislike the Brewers - why would you want to represent this organization in coming up with a draft pick, even in a mock draft?

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 14, 2009 1:46 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I dont dislike the Brewers. I am not too thrilled with how this team has been built. Granted it has worked, but I think that that is a fluke because they are not very fundamentally strong, and up until this year, has been one dimensional.

If you want to participate, feel free.

by backtocali on May 14, 2009 2:12 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

"up until this year has been one-dimensional"

So, they have a pretty good all aound team this year? Which would, you know, mean they were built well?

That one dimensional team made the playoffs last year since ’82, is going for their third straight winning season, which would be the first time that has happened in Milwaukee since 1978-1980, and is currently in first place this year.

If it has worked for this long already, it is not a fluke.

Perhaps you think we need more major league hitters?

:) + Suppan = :'(

by NoahJ on May 14, 2009 10:02 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

I just saw this

a few weeks later. Nice.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on Jun 6, 2009 7:20 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Pick Ty Cobb!

He’s a gamer.

Ryan Braun: He loves it.

by SRB on May 14, 2009 5:16 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Yawn

“Unlike Jack Z, I am someone who prefers pitching (college with little time to arrival at the MLB level) and like to go after players with multiple tools.”

Because Jack Z was such an abysmal failure at drafting MLB players? Once again, those wayward Brewers just happened to blunder into success through no fault of their own, huh? It almost hurts to imagine how many games they’d win if they had drafted well and were otherwise well-run.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on May 14, 2009 6:15 PM CDT reply actions   2 recs

Was Jack Z uncventional?

The majority of his draft picks were panned by the experts and other GM’s/SD’s in taking players sometimes in the area of 10 or even 20 picks early. (At least in the first round).

Do you think the team would be better off right now if they had picked Scott Kazmir instead of Prince Fielder in the 02 draft? I personally believe that the Brewers would have made the playoffs back in 07 with Kazmir pitching every 5 days and a guy like Overbay still at first vs Fielder. That may not be a popular belief, but it has worked out for the Rays pretty well. Another pick I disagreed with was Ryan Braun…I felt that the better pick would have been Cameron Maybin. Maybin is still only 22 and although Braun has been ROY and putting up big power numbers, he projects as a big power/speed combo as well as an excellent defensive CF and base stealing threat. The Marlins thought enough of him to give up on a Braun clone to get him. So there are people out there that agree with the things that I believe and have been successful with them.

JM Gold, Mark Rogers and Jeremy Jeffress were all Jack Z picks that were all early and have not worked out well at all for the team. He wasnt perfect, and he hasnt really stocked the organization with pitching talent or with defensive players at key positions. It seemed to be all about the HR with him. He didnt like the guys other scouts/GM’s have liked.

by backtocali on May 14, 2009 6:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

In all fairness, I don't see where this debate is relevant to the task at hand.

You don’t like the Brewers’ past draft picks. That’s fine, but you don’t get a re-do, so this is the organization you have, going into the draft.

So, regardless of what you would have done when Prince Fielder was on the board, your job is to pick players who are on the board now. Let’s have a conversation about that.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on May 14, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

To be literal

The FanPost says conversation about who to pick is supposed to take place over at the linked blog.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on May 14, 2009 6:53 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

So...

If the Brewers drafted Kazmir in ‘02 (maybe they should’ve got a crappy starting pitcher and traded for him in ‘04 like the Rays) and Maybin in ’05, would they have made the playoffs with Overbay and [stock 3B] as the heart of the order? Given the crop of prospects about to debut in the majors when Braun was drafted, picking a guy who wouldn’t arrive until 2010 certainly makes sense. I think operating on a shoestring budget may have influenced the Marlins into giving up that “Braun clone” to get Maybin anyway.

“So there are people out there that agree with the things that I believe and have been successful with them…He didnt like the guys other scouts/GM’s have liked.”

And yet Jack Z was successful, too, even if you and whoever those other scouts and GMs are don’t agree with all the things he believed. No, he wasn’t perfect, but who said he was? Instead you took another gratuitous shot at the Brewers organization. You don’t want a rah-rah guy running a serious mock draft, but excuse me for not being enthused about you doing it instead.

Obscure baseball records and more at my blog, Recondite Baseball.

by TheJay on May 14, 2009 6:52 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

Who cares about 10 or 20 spots?

Since you can’t trade draft picks. You take the guy you like and can sign in that round, period. Guys that pretend that you can wait another 20 spots and get your guy for good ‘value’ have watched too much Mel Kiper Jr and would be better served to either go play pretend football drafting, or actually understand the rules they will be operating under in the cut-throat world of pretend baseball drafting.

by Getting Yosted on May 14, 2009 9:24 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

jm gold was taken by bando

and i’d rather have a player who is producing here in the big leagues than someone who projects as something.

battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm

by Michael M on May 14, 2009 10:23 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

My mistake

Was thinking of Mike Jones

by backtocali on May 14, 2009 10:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kazmir was awesome in 2007.

But would pretty much be another Ben Sheets where we just wonder when he’s going to get injured. Besides, he’s been doing awful this year.

  The last two years, Overbay has been pretty mediocre whereas Prince has hit 84 HR, had OPS+ of 156 and 128 (OPSing 1.013 in 2007!) and is one of the premier young hitters in the game.

And to sort of paraphrase you: “Maybin is still only 22” and still in the minors while not yet proving he can play in the majors, Braun has been one of the best and most explosive players in the game while being only 25 years old and who signed in 8 year, affordable contract because he enjoys playing with the Milwaukee Brewers.
Besides that, it isn’t necessarily that the Marlins thought enough of Maybin to trade Miguel Cabrera (and Dontrelle Willis). Sure they like him enough to do that, but they probably wouldn’t have made that trade if they could actually afford to keep their decent players other than Hanley.

Mark Rodgers has had injury problems, not talent issues and Jeremy Jeffress has been working out just lovely for the team seeing as he is their top pitching prospect.

Oh, and you really want to compare a overbay-not-prince Brewers team to the Tampa Bay Rays? The Rays just so happened to have a pretty awesome first baseman for the last three years. Did the Rays really keep a mediocre first baseman and trade an awesome one? Nope.

And to reiterate what TheJay said, who the fuck cares about what the other Scouts/Gms liked? Jack Z is the one who was the first non-GM to win executive of the year for a reason: Because he made fantastic picks and helped turn the Brewers into one of eight teams who made the playoffs last year.
73% of those other scouts and GMs who picked players in the draft apparently didn’t make good enough decisions to do that.

:) + Suppan = :'(

by NoahJ on May 14, 2009 10:28 PM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

BTW - if your goal is to simulate what the Brewer front office will do

You should be researching the best available Canadian.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on May 14, 2009 6:48 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

or former ranger

"That's not a weird stat. Rickie is a run-scorer," Yost said. "It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter," Yost told reporters. "See, you guys have no concept. He's a run-scorer. So there's nothing weird about it. That's what he does."

by Hyatt on May 15, 2009 1:39 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

tough to do that straight out of high school or college

…but i guess you could go with Texas/OK player

by PagsBrewCrew on May 15, 2009 2:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

This kids should at least have a part time job

by Getting Yosted on May 15, 2009 4:47 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No track record

For Seid right now. Its anyones guess as to how he will run a draft.

If what I have heard is correct and that he is scouting the Big 12 heavily, that seems different from the way Jack Z did things.

by backtocali on May 15, 2009 3:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've heard about this Brad Schreiber kid, he's a righty high school pitcher

struck out 8 guys in a row tonight, against the second best team in the conference. Pick him :)

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on May 14, 2009 7:56 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Homer!

What about that throwing-arm-flyout at the end of his delivery though? I’m not wishing him any ill or anything (believe me) but doesn’t he look like a major arm injury waiting to happen? It’s not nearly as ugly as Hendrickson or anything, but it made me wince when I watched him throw.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 14, 2009 8:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I really think he's improved it and is driving through more

middle of last summer he was just topping out at 89, and he’s hit 93 this spring. It is hard to tell though, mechanics-wise, when you’re always watching from behind home plate rather than our usual tv angle.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on May 14, 2009 9:56 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

College

Schreiber, like his brother, is probably best served by going and playing college ball first. Findina a coach who likes his velocity, can work with those mechanics and turn him into a more polished product.

Someone may pick him in the very late rounds, but he has a very long way to go.

by backtocali on May 14, 2009 10:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you for your expert analysis, my friend

you know, I was neutral on this whole subject of your status here, but it does annoy me when people think they know more than they do. I doubt you’ve seen Brad pitch. You’re probably thinking of Phil, who is his cousin, not his brother, and is at Iowa. Brad is probably one of the more polished high school pitchers out there. He has walked like 3 guys this year. He has a commitment to Purdue as well, he doesn’t “have to find a coach”. He will get picked pretty high if he decides he’s willing to sign, which I’m not sure he is.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on May 15, 2009 11:34 AM CDT up reply actions   2 recs

No

He wont be picked very high, if at all. Like his cousin (my mistake, I have only read scouting reports on Brad) he needs to go to college to polish his arm and skills. If he gets picked it will be in the 30 to 40 rounds probably.

Phil threw harder than Brad does, and he was not drafted at all last year (despite his 90+ fastball) because scouts were not very impressed by him enough to sign him or draft him. If anyone were impressed enough, he would have been taken late round by someone and take the risk that he signs and forego his scholarship opportunity to Iowa, but that did not happen. The same will probably happen to Brad.

by backtocali on May 15, 2009 1:10 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

No he does not

You’re probably just trying to get me pissed off, and you’re succeeding. Phil did not throw harder than Brad does. Brad throws 4 pitches with command, Phil could throw 2. And Phil couldn’t hit much. Phil made it pretty clear he was going to college before the draft, and Brad hasn’t done that yet. I’m not sure if you’re aware that I know Brad quite well (and Phil for that matter), go to his school, and have watched just about every game he’s pitched this year. I know a bit more about him than the scouting reports you’ve read. And if he doesn’t get drafted, it will be because he has made it clear he’s going to Purdue.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on May 15, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

"go to his school"

That comment speaks volumes to me….

by backtocali on May 15, 2009 6:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

What the hell is that supposed to mean?

Yes, I am biased. But I am a hell of a lot more informed about the situation than you are.

Scored three times and detonated an indisputable in four visits to the batting box.

by Jordan M on May 15, 2009 6:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You can be dismissive if you want to...

… but Jordan has repeatedly demonstrated his analytical abilities on this site. He hasn’t simply shown up, insisted he knows what he’s talking about, made vague references to reviewing scouting reports of unknown origin or quality (thus essentially cribbing from the work of others), and he doesn’t repeatedly present his opinion as fact they way you do either. As far as I’m concerned, regardless of age or friendship with this prospect, he’s got a damn site more credibility than you do.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 15, 2009 6:48 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

I'll outright call for his banning.

Hey backtocali: Jordan is a damn sight smarter than you are and, in case you haven’t noticed, has been deemed knowledgeable enough to earn the job of being a moderator on this site—the site that you are currently dismissing him on.

:) + Suppan = :'(

by NoahJ on May 16, 2009 4:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to apologize for part of my analysis here

Jordan,

Although I underestimated Schrieber’s draft potential, I was pretty much spot on with my belief that he needs college to refine his game. I have an up to date scouting report, from an MLB team, which states that although he has decent stuff, he needs quite a bit of polish. College is the best opportunity for him to improve right now. (I am not at liberty to say whose scouting report this is.)

He is a graded prospect, but only that as a player who could go before the 30th round. I was previously under the impression that he would be lucky to be drafted at all, and I was wrong about that.

He does have decent stuff, but if he were one of the best HS guys out there, he would be ranked a heck of a lot higher than what he is. Apart from that, it is very difficult for a Wisconsin HS pitcher to be drafted very high.

by backtocali on May 17, 2009 11:25 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kendall Volz, Baylor, RHP

So the guy the Brewers might be honing in on is Kendal Volz of Baylor, 95mph fastball with a plus slider. He had a great summer last year and has not quite lived up to expectations yet this year, but still has the velocity and slider. There are concerns about his usage this year as with most college pitchers.

Another option is Alex Wilson, of Texas A&M. There is an injury history, but has plus fastball and although he is a starter right now, profiles better as a closer/back of the bullpen type of pitcher.

One other option is AJ Pollock of Notre Dame. He was the Cape Cod league mvp last summer and is expected to play CF in the professional ranks. He has played 3b at Notre Dame. He has average tools all around from speed to power and arm and has the potential to improve in certain areas. Not a sure thing though.

by backtocali on May 14, 2009 9:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm so so happy this guy isn't running our draft

we’d have a team full of kyle peterson’s!

battlekow: Bill is having an oppo-gasm

by Michael M on May 14, 2009 10:25 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

Also, I think if any BCB member were to be doing the mock draft, a duo of Jeff and Battlekow would do the best job.

It obviously doesn’t mean anything and it would be a waste of time for them to do that rather than what they have been doing here, but with BKs knowledge of our minor league system and Jeffs knowledge of college baseball, they’d do a great job with it.

:) + Suppan = :'(

by NoahJ on May 14, 2009 10:47 PM CDT reply actions   1 recs

I think you have something brown on your nose.

You might want to get that cleaned up.

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 14, 2009 11:01 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nah, I've been on a cleanse

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 14, 2009 11:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did I mention how Roguejim would also do a great job collaborating with them?

He would throw in some really awesome(?) puns.

:) + Suppan = :'(

by NoahJ on May 14, 2009 11:29 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

bk, sure

but for a person who spends hours every day maintaining a proprietary database of college baseball data, I know surprisingly little. thanks for the thought though.

Also, cheese.

by Jeff Sackmann on May 15, 2009 6:13 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eh

I’m not surprised. :)

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 15, 2009 8:29 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

The most fun part of this will be...

backtocali’s whiny rant about who the Brewers end up taking instead of who he wanted them to take.

Anyway, more backtocali threads please. There are so many delightful smackdowns here that I’m using the rec feature more than ever before.

by Zeyes on May 15, 2009 7:40 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Blah Blah Blah

Who would have thought this would turn into a bash backtocali thread………

In regards to the actual thread, I would agree with backtocali in that we could use some top young pitching in the minor leagues.

by tcyoung on May 15, 2009 12:40 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Some nice unproven guys in the lower levels

I liked what Z did last year in the early rounds to stock the organization with pitching. Odirizzi and Adams were good choices. The two A level teams have some nice possibilities but are quite a ways off still. I would like to see them take some more polished college arms this year. Guys who can move through the lower levels quickly and really start to increase the learning curve in AA and AAA.

At this point, Jeffress is the top arm in the system and he has lots of work that needs to be done. And there is also the quesion of him being a bullpen or starter.

by backtocali on May 15, 2009 1:07 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And there is also the quesion of him being a bullpen or starter.

If he can be an entire bullpen, the Brewers will have done pretty well.

"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."

by KLSnow on May 15, 2009 3:38 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very good point

Not many guys can pull that off.

by backtocali on May 15, 2009 4:03 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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