Brewers acquire Jody Gerut for Tony Gwynn
by Kyle Lobner on May 21, 2009 2:19 PM CDT
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Print619 Sports (via MLB Trade Rumors) is reporting the Brewers have acquired outfielder Jody Gerut from the Padres for Tony Gwynn Jr.
Gerut is 31 years old and is hitting .223/.250/.384 in 120 plate appearances in 2009, which might make him the worst consistently playing outfielder in major league baseball this season. He did post a .296/.351/.494 line in 100 games for the Padres last season, so there is hope he'll bounce back. Prior to 2008, Gerut had not appeared in a major league game since 2005.
Meanwhile, Tony Gwynn Jr. ends up where we all figured he'd be eventually, San Diego. After failing to beat out Chris Duffy this spring, Gwynn has shown signs of life in AAA, hitting .308/.387/.395 in 175 trips to the plate and going 15-for-16 in stolen base attempts. He has a major league career .598 OPS in 264 PA's.
All told, this move looks like the Brewers giving Gwynn an opportunity to go play in the majors somewhere else, since the call wasn't going to come in Milwaukee. Gerut might be given a shot as a fourth outfielder in Milwaukee or might be sent to Nashville to take Gwynn's place, but any production out of him at this point would be an added bonus.
UPDATE: As Warwick5s noted in the comments, Gord Ash tweeted the following:
Tony Gwynn returns home to SanDiego for outfielder Jody Gerut. Gerut will join the Brewers in Minnesota tomorrow
So my theory that Gerut may report to Nashville first is refuted.
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I realize Gerut's had a poor year so far
But he’s significantly better than both Duffy and Gwynn. We should not be pooh-poohing this trade.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Not to mention
He offers a little more pop off the bench than Duffy/C.C/McGehee
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 21, 2009 2:25 PM CDT up reply actions
He should make for a good PH
as a lefty off the bench and occasional fill in for Cameron. Smells like a fourth OF.
I completely agree
Beats out Iribarren too, imo.
Good move for the Brewers. This kid was a stud prospect for the Indians with a sky is the limit type of projection..speed, power, hit for average…until his injury.
On top of it, he is a great all around person, is very coachable, and is probably happier that he upped his position in the standings. Makes up for being relegated to a reserve role.
Basically, yes
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I hate listening to sports talk radio
I tuned in to get the scoop on the trade and all that was talked about was how this was a blown opportunity because they didn’t get Peavy while they were on the phone with the Padres.
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"Oh by the way...can we also have Jake Peavy?
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on May 21, 2009 2:32 PM CDT up reply actions
For C.C. and Bill Hall
/hoping they forget CC was a free agent that left for the Yankees and believe C.C. is CC
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 21, 2009 2:34 PM CDT up reply actions
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I don't know what those numbers mean
I don't hate Kendall like everybody else, I'm a non-conformist like that.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 21, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
Positive is good, negative is bad
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
So zero is average?
I don't hate Kendall like everybody else, I'm a non-conformist like that.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 21, 2009 2:41 PM CDT up reply actions
Yep
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I'll take it
I don't hate Kendall like everybody else, I'm a non-conformist like that.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 21, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
I had to laugh
When I read your post because I immediately thought of ol pete. Speaking of which, I haven’t seen him around these parts in quite some time.
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 21, 2009 2:40 PM CDT up reply actions
he's been around other blogs (bcb)
defending the brewers, actually
Cards Announcers On Gamel's First Career HR, ""That’s all they need is another home run hitter".
According to his stats
here it would seem that he is above average.
They also show that he has a career OPS+ of 107 so for Gwynn it looks like we have aquired a player who has been slightly above average both with the bat and glove in his career albeit he is 5 years older.
I quite like the deal although it is nothing big it helps a little and a team that is 25-15 probably does not need major changes
It's exactly the kind of trade Melvin needed to make
We have a great starting core, but the bench is crappy. This improves the bench significantly.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
His UZRs look good...
+5.1 as part timer last year, +3.5 so far this year.
Resultant UZR/150s: +9.5, +18.7.
but I should note...
…the total number of innings he’s played in the OF the last 1 1/4 seasons is only about half of what I’d want to have much confidence those numbers are reliable.
We would have to coin a new phrase in the mold of "Fire Sale"
I would vote for “Hide Belt and Shoelaces Sale”
by Bernie's Mustache Wax on May 21, 2009 2:37 PM CDT up reply actions
added bonus?
First, i think that is redundant. Second, what is the original benefit… just getting rid of Gwynn? :)
General benevolence
Giving Gwynn an opportunity he never would have received here.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
A pleonasm!
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
you and your big words
although you said that one recently, so I had my eyes out for it this time;)
by PagsBrewCrew on May 21, 2009 4:11 PM CDT up reply actions
I've been using that one a lot lately.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
How much salary was taken?
I am indifferent on the trade, especially if it helps TGJ get an opportunity. But if it eats into money we can spend later, that’s not so good. Jody’s salary for the year is $1.775 million.
Well, assume he's already been paid at least 1/4 of that
And you’re at about $1.33 million.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
We're really complaining about an extra million dollars spent?
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Be careful what you wish for with Peavy
He’d be great for this year but his contract is like one of those exotic mortgages that ruined the world: $11m 09, $15 m in 10, $16 m in 11, $17 m in 12 and $22 m in 13.
My prediction
Peavy will end up restructuring his deal to receive more money this season (and some guaranteed down the road) and allow him to opt out at the end of the year if he’s unhappy somewhere, in exchange for waiving his no trade clause.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
There's no way the White Sox would go for it
Peavy’s value is greatly decreased if he’s given a clause in his contract making him a FA rental.
Well, for Peavy to opt out
He’d have to be unhappy enough or have high enough value to give up 4 remaining years and $60 million.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Sounds like the type of contract
The cubs love…
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by MadJimiBrewha on May 21, 2009 2:42 PM CDT up reply actions
Responding to something from the other thread
I think it’s entirely possible
That the Brewers traded Nashville’s center fielder for a CF who will start in Nashville. Gerut might not be added to the big league roster until he proves he can hit.
Gerut’s not a prospect. He doesn’t need to be handled like a prospect, and it’s clear he’s a better hitter than Chris Duffy, while providing the same defensive utility. I would be very surprised to see Gerut go to AAA and Duffy stay with the Brewers, and that’s not even getting into the fact that Gerut probably has no options left.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Gerut's not a prospect
But he’s not exactly a proven big leaguer right now either. He’s played one full big league season since 2004, and he had an OBP under .260 for the Padres.
Could he be kept in the big leagues, with Chris Duffy sent down? Certainly. But I don’t think it’s all that ridiculous for the Brewers to start Gerut in Nashville to get him going before moving him to the big league roster.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Right
And hitting .220/.250/.380
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
That's only halfway fair.
On the surface, Duffy is hitting .125/.222/.156 in 2009, but that’s in 37 PA’s, and I don’t think that’s a large enough sample size to be a true talent assessment.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Yeah, you're right.
But why not send Duffy down to find his bat, then bring him up, rather than the other way around? Maybe the options come into play here, not sure how all that works.
Based on the latest update
That seems like the likely scenario.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Geut's had two 3-win seasons
I’m going to put more stake into the 3.2 win season he put up last year than the poor (but still above replacement) 100 PAs we’ve seen so far. Realistically, he’s probably somewhere in between, but I think he’s closer to 2008 than what we’ve seen in 2009.
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agreed, plus he plays at Petco
He has been horrendous at home as he has an impossible .158 BAbip while on the road it is .318 which is more normal and his number look nice…. plus he has some power… i am excited about this move, feels like we have Kapler back!
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
I think he blew out BOTH knees, no?
I don't hate Kendall like everybody else, I'm a non-conformist like that.
by Dikembe Meiztombo on May 21, 2009 2:54 PM CDT up reply actions
Very briefly
Four games, IIRC.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
My mistake
59 games over three teams.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Long story
IIRC, Gerut got into a major disagreement in spring training in either 2006 or 2007 with the Pirates front office. The Pirates wanted to option him to AAA to play himself into shape while he was taking a doctors recommendation to have his knee operated on again and he wanted to be on the 60-day DL. It ended badly with Gerut having the surgery and not reporting to AAA and then getting released. The Pirates accused him of faking the injury so he could accumulate enough active roster time to collect his major league pension.
by one two seven on May 21, 2009 4:08 PM CDT up reply actions
Heh, both bench OF's have had issues with the Pirates
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I like on his baseball-reference page the most similar hitters list
The top 10 include the following currant players
Ryan Church
Jeremy Hermida
Jayson Werth
Josh Willingham
Nate McLouth
Corey Hart
Armando Rios
I’m not sure exactly how they calculate it but if he turns out as good as any of them I think we have done well.
Most of those guys are much younger than Gerut.
The “similar hitters” list is calculated using career stats…the fact that Gerut has similar stats to these guys means they’ve accomplished similar things in 4-5 fewer seasons.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Similar by age
Wes Helms is on his similar by age page, along with Matt Mieske. I think that is more realistic.
Full list:
1. Hank Edwards (968)
2. Pat Mullin (965)
3. Matt Mieske (964)
4. Don Lenhardt (962)
5. Wes Helms (962)
6. Gene Hermanski (961)
7. Buster Adams (957)
8. Benny Agbayani (956)
9. Raul Ibanez (954)
10. Gates Brown (954)
by kingcharlesxii on May 21, 2009 2:56 PM CDT up reply actions
Those sim scores aren't adjusted for context at all
His PECOTA comps:
- Irv Noren
- Leon Wagner
- Brian Jordan
- Raul Ibanez
- Cliff Floyd
- John Kruk
- Jim Northrup
- Ivan Calderon
- Hideki Matsui
- Mike Easler
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
I'd say the top of his upside might be Gabe Kapler.
He’s about the same age Kapler was when acquired, his career line is similar and he’s not that far removed from a long stint out of the majors.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
Kapler has never even been half as valuable as Gerut was last year
Maybe biographically it’s a good comp, but not performance-wise.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
@brewerash:
Tony Gwynn returns home to SanDiego for outfielder Jody Gerut. Gerut will join the Brewers in Minnesota tomorrow
Welcome to the Sounds, Duffy…
Updated post to note this.
"The reports are that he is getting better. The definition of better is nebulous."
I'm not sure that Duffy is gone.
We replaced Nelson with Gamel. So we only have 4 outfielders. If Hall is going to be a platoon guy now, then McGehee could be the odd guy out.
But without my hat, how am I going to play cowboy?
A whole season of Counsell’s stick o’ doom out there? Even with McGehee’s lack of range, he at least can pretend to hit on occasion.
Iribarren can play the outfield
They’re not going to replace McGehee, because he’s right-handed. Gerut does everything Duffy does but better, and they’re both lefties.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Gerut goes golfing...
He is a dead pull hitter, but he did manage to hit that one off Suppan to dead center. Maybe he’ll hit a few pinch hit homeruns into the Airtran Landing Zone.
"My plan is my plan," Yost said.
funny Gerut quote
Walking toward his locker in Citi Field’s visiting clubhouse following the game, Gerut was approached by Hall of Fame emissary Brad Horn. When asked for a donation for the baseball museum in Cooperstown, Gerut happily handed over his history-making Louisville Slugger.
"It’s a piece of trash, man," he said later. "It’s a terrible bat … I have terrible bats. I don’t have much of a choice. Maybe (this) will carry me to get some better quality wood, ‘cause I certainly don’t get it."
In the broader sense, Gerut clearly does get it. He understands the historic nature of the home run he hit Monday night. He’s just not ready to be defined by the single swing that produced it.
"In the end, it’s a very humbling experience to have any part of your equipment in the Hall of Fame," he said. "That’s special. I can’t reflect on how special that is right now ‘cause it’s not making me any more of a player.
"I’m sure my mom and dad are probably happy right now. I’m sure my wife is probably in bed and she doesn’t care."
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
which wife quote
the part at the end or this part:
Maybe (this) will carry me to get some better quality wood, ‘cause I certainly don’t get it.
he knows about viagra, I assume?
by PagsBrewCrew on May 21, 2009 4:38 PM CDT up reply actions
Twins
Good the Twinkies got all their runs out of their system for this weekend.
"You combine the fact that they're good at everything and we're good at nothing, it's not going to be a very pretty outcome." -Ryan Braun
Any Word On Tonight's Lineup?
Giving Hall another chance means him at 3B, right? That mean they’re having Counsell play 2B against the righty Oswalt tonight? Gamel not getting a shot against the righty after some nice hits in his last couple AB’s?
that's what mccalvry says at least
but lineups havent’ been released yet.
I assume Gamel will get either the first PH opportunity or a high-leverage one in the 8th or 9th.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 21, 2009 4:40 PM CDT up reply actions
tom h reports
2B Craig Counsell
SS J.J. Hardy
LF Ryan Braun
1B Prince Fielder
CF Mike Cameron
RF Corey Hart
3B Bill Hall
C Jason Kendall
RHP Jeff Suppan
The designated hitter rule is like letting someone else take Wilt Chamberlain's free throws.
Hall sounds like a desperate man
“It shows he has confidence in me and knows I’m going to right this thing,” Hall said. “Everybody in here knows what kind of player I am and what kind of damage I can do, whether it’s against right-handers or left-handers.”It’s just one little thing that’s going to make it click. I’m trying to find it."
“Damn it! Now where did I put that one little thing that will turn my career around? Honey? Have you seen the thing that makes me hit righties? Did I leave it under the bed again?”
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Plenty of OF's...can someone play 2B?
I agree with the post that SD could’ve had TGJr for nothing a few weeks ago, so Gerut’s not a bad catch. But Catalanotto should be ready in a couple of weeks and should be a great fit as a good hitting PH and back up OF. Profiles well with Duffy.
So while I generally agree with the ‘fill from within’ preference, I’m surprised we’re trading even marginal prospects and acquiring bodies for the bench that don’t fill the need at second base. And i wouldn’t guess any of Duffy or Gerut or McGehee tradeable for DeRosa?
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"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
Sister of his wife or wife of his brother?
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Why are we assuming that Duffy is the one being sent down?
Why not Irrabarren? I would miss walking around going “Duffman, Oh Yeah!” all day after Duffy does something good.
:) + Suppan = :'(
I'm assuming it because Iribarren can play the outfield and Gerut can do everything Duffy does, but better
I think they want a non-McGehee second baseman for when Counsell is playing elsewhere or needs a day off because of his knee. But you’re right, I wouldn’t be surprised to see it be Iribarren.
"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.
they're BOTH being sent down
because swindle is coming up because we’ll need less bench in minnesota, due to lack of PHing for the pitcher. Hopefully now we’ll PH for the catcher.
by PagsBrewCrew on May 22, 2009 5:17 PM CDT up reply actions
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