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Brewers able to land Cain?

Forget Jake Peavy for now--how about Matt Cain? In the absence of specific rumors, we've been lusting after Cain for awhile, going off the general theory that the Giants have a bunch of good pitchers but crappy hitters, and the Brewers have a bunch of good hitters but crappy pitchers. Indeed, as reported on MLBTR, San Francisco is both shopping Matt Cain and looking to acquire a hitter. We want him and have those!

Doug Melvin has said before that he's not trading Mat Gamel or Alcides Escobar (and I'm not sure if Escobar qualifies as a "bat" anyway), but you never know. Further into the realm of fantasy, there's Prince Fielder hogging first base and J.J. Hardy approaching free agency. Hey, Bill Hall can hit. Kind of.

So what do you think? Is a trade for Cain realistic? Who would you package to get him?

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The Brewers would be able to cheat the Giants a little considering how desperate they are for a hitter. But they might want to get someone that is a hgue hitter. I don’t know if they would take Hardy, because they got Renteria, but maybe play him at third. I think that a Hardy-Cain trade would be able to happen.

by JackofAllTrades on May 24, 2009 5:50 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

FWIW

Although the Giants are desperate for a hitter, I think we’re desperate for a good pitcher. I think our pitching staff is sorely underrated, of course (this weekend against the Twins notwithstanding), and our starting rotation is catching people by surprise. (To be fair, and I hate admitting this, a lot of the credit goes to Jeff Suppan.)

However, as much as I like our no-name rotation surprising the baseball world, it’s really geared for the regular season. In the playoffs, with short series and stud pitchers taking the mound on 3 days’ rest, I fear our rotation is going to get smoked. A staff with 4 pitchers sporting an ERA of 4.25-4.50 (which I think is close to where we’ll end up, if we’re lucky) just can’t compete with some of the better staffs around the league.

If we’re still contending a month from now, I think we’re going to have to consider trading for another #1/#2 starter…and Cain would definitely fit the bill.

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by roguejim on May 25, 2009 7:45 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

So

the Giants might consider this trade. But can Hardy play 3rd?

by JackofAllTrades on May 25, 2009 11:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

My guess is yes

though I think he’s on record as not wanting to switch positions. Plus, it means forcing our all-star shortstop to switch positions, which Miss Manners would probably frown upon.

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by roguejim on May 25, 2009 1:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

But isn’t Cain’s value is primarily from his youth and potential? It might come down but right now his FIP on the season is 4.33, which is better than most of the Brewers staff, but still not playoff ace material, even if he comes down closer to 4.00.

If the idea is to win this season (as I kind of think it should be) then Peavy seems like the better option, since he is dramatically better than Cain in the short-term but probably wouldn’t have a dramatically different cost.

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by SRB on May 25, 2009 2:08 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

But

if the Brewers wanted to get peavy, if he waives his no-trade clause, would cost the Brewers what is left in their farm system.

by JackofAllTrades on May 25, 2009 6:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh

I’m not saying Cain isn’t a good pitcher, but I wouldn’t be too excited about trading for him. His K/9 and K/BB are both down this year, and he’s sporting a -1.93 difference between ERA and FIP.

Of course he still has the potential to be a stud pitcher, but I’m not to wild about what it would cost to get him. I still consider Fielder for Cain ridiculous – Hardy for Cain; maybe – Bill Hall for Cain; sure!

Seems like it would make more sense to trade for Peavy this season though.

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by SRB on May 24, 2009 6:09 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't think...

…we’ll be able to afford Peavy. He’s getting $8 million this season, and then…

10: $15M
11: $16M
12: $17M
13: $22M club option ($4M buyout)

If you think Cain is overrated (although his ERA this season is ridiculously low), I can see how you might call trading Prince for Cain straight up is ridiculous. But after you bring salary and impending free agency back into the picture…I dunno, I guess I’d be thrilled if the Giants agreed to Cain for Fielder straight up. (Though, really, I can’t see Melvin trading such a big part of our offense mid-season.)

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by roguejim on May 25, 2009 7:53 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

It’s a large salary for a team like Milwaukee, but not entirely unfeasible. The organization offered Sabathia significantly more per season (and I think Peavy is a better pitcher anyways) and while Sabathia was hugely popular here, I don’t think anyone planned on him bringing in $20 million of extra revenue per season (or even the $3-5 million difference between having him and Peavy). If the money was meant to keep the Brewers contenders, I think Peavy does that just as well if not better than Sabathia.

Also, it would be tight next season, but after that Suppan’s bloated salary comes off the books the team could redirect that $12.5 million or whatever it is towards Peavy instead.

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by SRB on May 25, 2009 2:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm fine with picking him up as long as they don't overrate him

He’s a good pitcher, probably in the tier between Gallardo and Parra. He’s probably a 4 era guy, and that has plenty of value, and he’s pretty cheap. But if they ask for more than say Hardy alone you can’t do it.

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by Jordan M on May 24, 2009 7:26 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Investigating further

He doesn’t get many ground balls, that’s a concern. I’d say he’s about a tick above Parra; Cain’s maybe a 4.00 -4.10 guy going forward and Parra’s about a 4.20-4.30 guy (obvious durability issues apply). I could be convinced to give up Hardy for him I guess, given his free agent status. I might need something coming back for Fielder.

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by Jordan M on May 24, 2009 7:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Talking to myself

I guess I’d probably do Fielder for Cain. They’re under control for the same amount. Cain has been a 4-win player and Fielder has been a 5 and a 2.5. Hardy’s definitely a more valuable player overall but under control for less time. They all balance out pretty closely.

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by Jordan M on May 24, 2009 7:42 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giants fans at MLBTR

are saying things like Hardy and Fielder, or Gamel and Hardy, or Fielder and Parra. All of these would be retarded.

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by Jordan M on May 24, 2009 7:44 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

Unless they’re throwing in another top pitching prospect.

Fielder + a mid level prospect (not sure who…maybe one of our other shortstops in the system) for Cain would be a good trade. The only top prospect that we have that I would be agreeable to parting with in a trade involving Cain + Fielder would be Salome, but only if the Giants would kick a halfway decent prospect back our way….the difference in value going towards the fact that Fielder hits free agency sooner than Cain.

I would much rather have a trade for Cain than a trade for Peavy. Although word is, the Padres are looking for pitching prospects in return for Peavy…something I doubt Mevlin and Co are willing to part with..considering their rarity in the system.

by TheBurningRom on May 24, 2009 10:00 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fielder+ for Cain?

I don’t get that.

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by SRB on May 24, 2009 10:05 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

????

You think we should give MORE than just Prince for Matt Cain?

I would probably slit my wrists at such a disastrous deal. I have faith that Melvin wouldn’t even think about such a deal.

He is a solid pitcher, but I wouldn’t go overboard.

by badgermaniac on May 24, 2009 10:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I Just Looked..

And Cain does have more service years than I thought. But you still have to put a premium on good pitching vs. good hitting. Fielder + a mid level prospect would not be an unheard of trade. You also have to remember that Fielder’s D leaves something to be desired, though he has shown improvement so far this year.

by TheBurningRom on May 24, 2009 10:57 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I never got this concept

But you still have to put a premium on good pitching vs. good hitting.

If you have a 4 win hitter and a 4 win pitcher, why should the pitcher be valued more? Heck, he should probably be valued less, for durability issues. I’m cool with getting Cain but I really think Cain and Fielder are about a wash. They are controlled for the same amount of time (w/ Fielder getting paid more), Fielder has the higher high and the lower low in career seasonal value, Cain has been consistent but has worrisome trends this year. I would probably offer Fielder but that would be it, unless we get something else back.

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by Jordan M on May 25, 2009 12:09 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

And who would play first base after that trade?

Gamel? Rivera? I’d love to upgrade the rotation but with Weeks out we’ve already got a hole in the lineup the fill. McGehee’s been playing well thus far, but he’s going to cool off eventually and he’ll never replace the power Weeks offered in the first six weeks of the season. If Escobar makes his way to the bigs this year and gets regular playing time (whether it’s at SS or 2nd), he’ll liekly struggle offensively.

Moving Fielder rips another, somewhat huger hole in the middle of the lineup. Rivera can’t replace his offensive production. Gamel has the ability to do so, but that’s expecting an awful lot of him at this stage of his development, and moving him to first means there is little chance of upgrading the offensive production of our situation at 3rd base. The only way this move makes any sense for the Brewers, in my opinion, is if Hardy’s the guy we send out, and that deal makes no sense for the Giants right now.

I agree, though, that the idea we should give up Fielder and something else for Cain alone is a bad one.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 25, 2009 9:39 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That would have to be Gamel, yeah

That’s the reason the Fielder trade wouldn’t work out so great. I don’t know enough about Gamel’s ability to play 1B to make a call on that, it would be up to the organization.

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by Jordan M on May 25, 2009 9:49 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're Assuming...

Gamel can play 3rd in the majors in the first place. One look at their (Gamel and Braun, since Braun is the usual comparison) minor league stats shows that Gamel appears to be cut from the same error prone cloth…or even from a much more error prone part. Braun was a butcher at 3rd…it’s not out of line to forecast Gamel being the same. So now we come to the same question we asked last year…where do we move him?

1B seems like the most logical place. And Prince is one player I don’t foresee the Brewers being able to retain for mostly financial reasons. That’s just a fact of the business…his price tag will be quite high when he hits FA. (It becomes absolutely impossible if you add Peavy to the mix as some fans want to). Add to that the fact that Prince’s trade value diminishes every year that they hold onto him. Mark Teixeira is a good example of that. The Braves paid through the nose in prospects to aquire him, and yet could get very little from the Angels when they rented him out for the 2nd half of last year.

I’m not sure the Brewers would want to move Hardy right now either. He hasn’t looked the best this season, and now that you add a back injury to the mix, you wouldn’t know what you were getting if you were a prospective trade partner.

As for Weeks and the situation at 3rd, nothing much was expected of Weeks this year. His production was a bonus, and all the projections were made with the assumption that he’d have another average but not stellar year. Also, we absolutely positively do not know what would have happened with Weeks the rest of the year….we’ll never know. He could have gone into a slump…maybe a short one…maybe a long one. There’s no guarantee he could have continued the production that he was putting up.

And as for 3rd base, depending on how the rest of Taylor Green’s season goes at Huntsville, it’s possible you could see him getting playing time in the majors next year as a mid-season/end of may call up. Either way, we’re stuck with Hall until the end of 2010 (assuming his production does not improve and the team exercises their 500k buyout for 2011). So if you don’t use him at 3rd…where are you going to play him? He’s an awfully expensive bench player. CF maybe as a stop-gap between Cameron and Cain? That’s about the only other place that makes sense. But now you’re lowering the level of defense up the middle…..and at this point we’re not sure if Gamel can be an improvement (or even play as well as Hall has been) over at the hot corner defensively…let alone good enough to offset the drop up the middle.

The idea of Fielder + something else in an easy one…pitching is more valuable. It’s harder to come by. Look at the Brewer’s starting lineup. 2 farm system pitchers vs. 6 farm system positional starters (assuming Weeks is the normal starter at 2nd)…7 when Rivera is catching. Pitching is harder to draft…so many are busts…or (in the Brewer’s case) get injured and take forever to recover..or never recover at all. So the idea that you have to pay more for good pitching isn’t outlandish. Fielder+ for Cain+ is what I suggested, if you go back and look. The extra outgoing value goes towards the fact that pitching has the higher value…especially for a team like the Brewers that has little in the pipeline.

I also realize that Jordan’s argument has some validity. You’re trading a 4 win pitcher for a 4 win hitter. BUT, and there is some assumption here, if Gamel can be a 4 win 1st basemen, then you’re actually making out better on the deal. If you add to the fact that Cain would replace a lesser starter in the rotation (we could only hope Suppan with his +0….maybe +1 above replacement), you’ve actually gained +3 wins with the trade. That’s assuming Gamel is +4 and Suppan would be the odd man out…neither of which would be guaranteed.

by TheBurningRom on May 25, 2009 11:24 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I am assuming Gamel can play 3rd in the majors.

Mostly because the club continues to insist he can. I wouldn’t personally be surprised if he gets moved to 1st eventually but I’m certainly no expert. I don’t think anyone supposes he will ever be a plus defender at 3rd, but with his bat he doesn’t have to be to stick at the position.

I agree that it seems clear that the Brewers won’t retain Prince once he hits free agency. I’m not sure they’ll even try, if they keep him that long, and I’m not opposed to dealing him before in the hopes of maximizing their compensation. Weeks’ production may have been a bonus (I didn’t expect much of him personally, but if you believe the guys with the club, they still did, so I’m not sure that argument works). Unexpected or not, his absence leaves a hole in the offense that McGehee can’t replace, and moving Prince shortly after losing Weeks for the season, and then counting on Gamel to produce right away to fill the hole that move leaves seems pretty foolish to me. I also question how much of a butcher Gamel would be at first given his lack of experience there.

To try to be clear, I’m talking about this year. Trading Fielder and moving Gamel might be the right move eventually, but for this team, right now, if the objective is to win this year, I don’t see how trading Fielder for Cain (let alone Fielder plus something else) and then telling Gamel he’s the everyday starter at 1st the rest of the way helps you do that. RJ’s got a point when he talks about whether our rotation will hold up in the playoffs. I think trading Fielder for Cain solves that problem not because it gives us a legit #2, but because it diminishes the chances that the playoffs will be an issue at all. Bottom line is I just don’t see Gamel matching Prince’s offensive numbers this season. Next year, maybe, but not now. And I think it’s safe to assume that Gamel’s offensive production will be offset by his defensive liabilities, regardless of where he plays. Prince may not have the range of the best 1st basemen in the NL, but I suspect he’s been better thus far at 1st base than Gamel would be.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 25, 2009 12:18 PM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

Agreed 100%

Fielder for Cain would be a lateral move and one you’d make after you were out of it.

Right now, any move they make would have to be an addition to the big league club. With Weeks gone, you have to have Braun, Fielder, and Gamel in there.

by warwick5s on May 25, 2009 12:33 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fielder for Cain would be a lateral move and one you’d make after you were out of it.

you would, if you could make these calls in a vacuum whenever you felt like it. If Cain really is on the trading block, there’s a limited time window to choose to act. There may or may not be better pitchers on the trading block down the stretch.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 25, 2009 2:23 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

That doesn't make it a good trade.

It does mean they should make the inquiry, but I don’t run down to Big Al’s TV’s&Shit! every time they say there’s a sale on.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 25, 2009 2:26 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh, i agree

but i’m saying we can’t discount “lateral moves” at any point in the season if we feel that it benefits us in some way down the line, regardless if the trade would be “better” in other circumstances.

by PagsBrewCrew on May 25, 2009 2:28 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Just to nitpick...

Rivera’s not a Brewers product, we signed him out of the indy Atlantic League a few years ago.

by Zeyes on May 25, 2009 4:46 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hes the 4th best pitcher in the NL right now

Kind of hard to over rate that. And as someone else said, he is under team control for 3 more years.

His ERA would jump a bit by coming to Miller Park, but he is still a top 25 pitcher in the league, and given the salary benefits, the Giants would probably be asking for a lot for him.

They are in need of big time power and the only guy who really fits the bill for them is Fielder, and the Brewers do not have anyone to replace Fielder. If a Hardy/Cain trade had been proposed during the offseason, that would have beneffited both teams quite well, but since they went out and signed Renteria for 2 years, that doesnt work now. The only way that works for the Giants is if Hardy played 2B and he is on record saying he doesnt want to do that (even though it is probably his best option right now).

by backtocali on May 25, 2009 9:07 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

4th best pitcher via ERA

If you were to make a list of the luckiest ERAs so far, he’d be at the top. His FIP is 4.30, which is solid, tRA a little worse, his ratios are getting worse, his strand rate is a really fluky 90% and his babip allowed is only .270. I think he’s a 4 ERA pitcher. If you’re replacing Fielder, it’s with Gamel. I think Hardy, Fielder, and Cain all have roughly equal value considering contracts and the reason you’d do the deal would be that the guy replacing Hardy or Fielder is better than the guy Cain is replacing in the rotation. It would make more sense to trade Hardy for Cain, but I don’t know if the Giants want him with Renteria playing short.

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by Jordan M on May 25, 2009 9:52 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also in VORP

You make a good point about Hardy vs Fielder. Fielder is probably too much to give up for him though.

by backtocali on May 25, 2009 12:06 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hurricane + Cain for Cain!

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by TheJay on May 24, 2009 10:11 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

For a second

I thought we were talking about Dean Cain. I am disappointed now.

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by kirbir on May 24, 2009 11:44 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

To be fair

Cain is under club control through 2011, and relatively inexpensively. Per Cot’s:

  • 09: $2.65M
  • 10: $4.25M
  • 11: $6.25M club option

whereas Fielder is gone after next season. Coincidentally, you’re paying exactly the same amount for Fielder in 2010 ($10.5 million) as you are for Cain in 2010 and 2011 combined.

Right now, the Giants are 20-23, good for 3rd place in the NL West. Although any visiting Giants fans are welcome to disagree, and there’s still a tone of baseball left to be played, I’d put the G-men’s chances are making the playoffs this season as remote. I’d say the Giants trading for Fielder now is a sign that they’re looking to contend next season; come 2011, they would have neither Cain nor Fielder. (Or, if the Giants look at their division and consider that the Dodgers have the best record in all of baseball, I think they’d be wary about trading for someone who will be a free agent so soon.)

For Cain (stats here)…well, I’m assuming that Jordan’s 4.00-4.10 ERA projection is coming from looking at statistics, as I would not have guessed it to go up that much. Cain’s ERA was 3.65 and 3.76 the last two seasons, and he’s at 2.40 now. Parra’s career ERA is 4.59, and right now he’s sporting a 5.79 ERA/1.71 WHIP - I guess I would call Cain more that a little tick above Parra, though again, Jordan may be wading far deeper in projections than I’m willing to go.

If the Giants were a better team right now, and closer to contending, I could see them trading Cain for Fielder straight up. OR, if Fielder had a club option for 2011 like Cain does, I could see a trade like that too. However, in a straight-up Fielder/Cain trade, the Brewers would be getting serious salary relief for 2009 and 2010, as well as a great talent in a position where great talent is both expensive and scarce. Although that trade would be a great fit on our side, I don’t think it’s so hot on the Giants’ side, even if the talent level is relatively the same.

If I were the Giants and dangling Cain, I’d be after Gamel.

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by roguejim on May 25, 2009 7:23 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Contracts

Fielder is with the Brewers through 2011. He may have signed a two year deal but he still has one more year of arbitration with the Brewers. His deal just made it a little cheaper to keep him and also to take away the worry of his contract because you could tell that it effected him last year.

by masondlo on May 25, 2009 9:12 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohhh

I didn’t know that. I thought it took him through arbitration. Thanks!

"I will agree that the attitude [at BCB] is ridiculous and they have done so much to instigate animosity and then block us from responding. Real mature!"

by roguejim on May 25, 2009 9:40 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Giants are not dangling Cain

The previous report of Cain being dangled has been debunked by a “high ranking Giants source.”

Let’s go get Peavy

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by Hyatt on May 25, 2009 10:30 AM CDT reply actions   0 recs

Slow down

That high ranking source may be Brian Sabean, and its not like he knows what’s going on with the Giants.

by Getting Yosted on May 25, 2009 10:50 AM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose it's also worth mentioning

Jeffress is the only pitcher registering even a faint blip on our pitching prospects radar. With our minors at least three years away (IMHO) from possibly producing a #1/#2 starter, and given the unlikelihood of our spending money to sign a truly “ace” pitcher, the trade route is the only avenue we have of bolstering our rotation with better-than-mediocre pitchers. If anyone like Cain is even available, we ought to be making an inquiry.

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by roguejim on May 25, 2009 1:52 PM CDT reply actions   0 recs

If not Cain or Peavy in-season this year

I’m pretty sure Melvin will make a big splash—kerplunk!—with a trade this offseason, because you’re right. Suppan will be gone after next year and Looper will be too, if not after this year (there’s a mutual option on his deal). It also has to make Dave Bush feel pretty good about his chances of signing a long-term deal with the team.

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by battlekow on May 25, 2009 2:11 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with that.

Which is why I wish the Giants weren’t shopping Cain right now. Trading one of our position guys (say Fielder) for Cain makes a lot more sense, in my opinion, in November than it does right now.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 25, 2009 2:24 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

One would have to think that Fielder will be around at most until mid-season next year, right?

I think TheBurningRom’s made a good point up-thread that one-dimensional mashers really don’t fetch all that much as pure half-season rentals, and I’m sure that’s on the Moustache’s mind as well. I must admit I’d prefer not to trade Hardy because of positional scarcity (yes, there’s Escobar, but you never know) and because we might actually be able to keep him long-term. He may not be amenable to a position switch right now, but another year or two might well change that, and I do think he could be an excellent second or third baseman, and probably not extremely overpaid in his big prime-career contract either.

by Zeyes on May 25, 2009 4:58 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Since Fielder has another year of arbritration after his currant contract is up

I think that the best move would to hold on until the Winter, if we are going to compete it seems a little crazy to start messing around with the heart of the order and our only proven LH power hitter. Yes after the season I think that we should explore the possibility of trading Fielder for pitching when it maybe easier to do more than 1 trade and therefore help the balance of the line-up. We are still going to get alot for Fielder this winter especially if he continues to put up big RBI numbers (some GM’s will still overpay for this).
If the Giants want to trade Cain for Fielder straight up I would not do it. Cain is good but Fielder in my opinion is better.

by Saltire on May 25, 2009 5:36 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hardy....

… doesn’t have a year or two to change his mind on a potential position switch. I’m not sure he’s got much more than this season, barring a trade of Weeks or Gamel moving to 1st and Green imploding.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 25, 2009 5:50 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think Moustache said that once

that he doesn’t like to trade position players at the deadline. They go in the offseason, and pitchers get traded during the season.

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by roguejim on May 25, 2009 9:14 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

Absolutely

One of the reasons I don’t think Fielder for Cain will happen anytime soon is we have no one to take Fielder’s place. Gamel, sure, but I don’t think he’s played a day there, and I’d like to think it takes SOME practice to play first.

Also, we’re in first place in the division, with one of the best records in baseball. You don’t break up a team like that to make a big trade during the season.

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by roguejim on May 25, 2009 9:13 PM CDT up reply actions   0 recs

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Of the early postseason transactions and developments, which are you most excited about?

  183 votes | Results

79 - 82

11

Won 3

1

NL Central Standings

W L PCT GB STRK
St. Louis 91 71 .561 0 Lost 6
Chicago 83 78 .515 7.5 Lost 1
Milwaukee 80 82 .493 11 Won 3
Cincinnati 78 84 .481 13 Won 2
Houston 74 88 .456 17 Lost 3
Pittsburgh 62 99 .385 28.5 Lost 2

(updated 11.24.2009 at 10:33 PM CST)

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