I would rather him dedicate himself solely to baseball as well…

That being said – It just isn’t that bid of a deal for me. I can’t explain why. It just isn’t.

Now if he gets into trouble, there will be hell to pay. But you have to trust his judgment to not do anything stupid to get into trouble.

But I also believe that he would have hell to pay for if he got into trouble if he went out to BW3s with the team or with friends after the game. Something that all players will do throughout the season.

Not only are our jobs nothing like Ryan’s, but I can’t imagine what it’s like to perform any athletic sport at that high a level. (Unless the PC game Civilization II suddenly counts as athletics. And you can make an argument, as there’s mining, soil tilling, and other manual labor involved.) Frankly, I think the best athletes in most sports tend to be, well, nuts, even without the steroids. Professional sports don’t tend to reward the well-adjusted. :)

Anyway, I have no idea if Ryan in a bar at 2 am affects his performance. (Would it be better if he were drinking at home at 2 am?) I’d like to think he knows what he’s doing. After all, he is the KOS.

The offseason is so short to only allow players to stay up past midnight publicly as the baseball season runs from March to October.

If he owns this clothing line, when is he supposed to sell, in the cold winter months in Milwaukee? People are less likely to support an event that promotes t-shirts, in Wisconsin during those cold months… people are more likely to attend an event on a warm weekend and I have no problem with it, as long as he acts responsibly.

You are right, his job is nothing like ours, but if you recall, Max McGee got absolutley piss drunk the night before the Superbowl and had a line of 7 rec, 138 yds and 2 TDs, I wouldn’t recommend going out every night, or even most night, but I doubt this event will have ANY effect on his performance as he will not be close to the situation McGee was in.

If Braun just had one hour less of sleep that night, it is nothing to get worked up about. He will be responsible and I trust him on this, it would be one thing if he had a history of staying out late and getting drunk, but that is not his reputation, he is spotted out once in awhile from what I have heard, but nothing irresponsible… for this reason he earns the benefit of the doubt.

Also, let’s say in your scenario he doesn’t get home until 2- he can sleep in until 10 and still get 8 hours of sleep, the reccommended amount… and still have plenty of time to make it to BP and stay sharp the next day. If he gets in at 2, He still will get in 17 hours before the next game starts! I know he has to get there earlier to prepare, it would be one thing if there was a 1:00 game, but he has so much time it is ridiculous to suggest he would be sluggish the next day with all the time inbetween.

I think players should be treated as adults, not high school students who have been in trouble- and for fans to suggest this is one step too far

An argument can be made that the citizens of Milwaukee are at risk when Brewers go out on the town.

Exhibit A?

Its just baseball.

And lets be honest here, all the guys ultimately care about is getting P-A-I-D.

but I don’t think its a big deal. I think Ryan is smart enough to behave appropriately and not do anything that would affect his performance on the field. And even if he were out until late in the morning, its not like it is a day game after a night game- he has plenty of time to get ready to play. Yes, I would like for him to concentrate fully on baseball, but you can’t scold him for having a night out on the town. Baseball is still him number one priority.

This might be a bad example, but there are always tons of parties during All-Star Week and I remember Ryan saying that he was attending A-Rod’s party, amongst others, last year.

but how do we know that he doesn’t stay up late playing video games or watching movies normally. When this was scheduled there was no way to know that he would be in a mini-slump or that the team would have just dropped a few games. I would have more of an argument with this if this happened once or twice a month but it doesn’t appear to me that this is a regular occurrence (correct me if I’m wrong anyone). I certainly wouldn’t want to see this become a habit. That said, if he comes out the next game and hits 2 HR’s and collects 4 hits I’ll be calling for him to stay out every night.

It’s not as if the players are going to sleep at 10:00 every night anyways (well, except Craig Counsell)…

Curt Schilling posted his daily routine on his blog (when he was still an active player) and even without going out after the game, he said he didn’t usually sleep until 2 or 3 on night-game days, iirc. He said he woke up around 10-11. That was pretty darn similar to my routine when I worked from 1PM-10PM, too. Sometimes I even went out after work.

Also, just because Braun is “hosting” this “afterparty” does not mean that he’ll either be drinking or staying very long; we’re both making assumptions here.

Lighten up, Francis.

zeyes said the rest.

As much as we watch the guy on the field, and read stories, link to stories, listen to interviews, can we honestly say we know the guy? The answer is of course we don’t. How do we know how his body reacts to being out after a party? How do we know how he reacts to staying up past midnite? The answer is we don’t.

The fact is that we base this judgment of the spending of his free time on how we react to a similar situation. But he’s a professional athlete. He makes his money by being in peak physical condition and maintaining that condition. Because the fact is that Ryan Braun and all professional athletes are under the largest microscope in the world (president excluded). They have to perform at their best 162 times every year. I can understand your concern that putting himself in this position to not the best way to be at his optimum level of performance. But the point of my argument is the following:

What Ryan Braun or any other athlete does in his own spare time is none of our damn business unless the following conditions are there:
1. it is illegal.
2. it affects their game.

The first one is obviously not there, and the second one is addressed with an IF in your points. What IF this is the event that catapults him to a Pujolsian season? I seem to see the crux of your argument based on an IF, which I don’t think is strong enough for mentions in 3 different posts.

I think it’s time to end the Hyatt portion of this argument with another great twitter page:

I present to you for your approval: Jesus M. Christ

While I was there, I set up a bunch of camera traps at Decibel so we can see what Braun is up to.

since he hasn’t hit a homer since May 9th against the Cubs.

I agree with you.

So clearly, you’re wrong. And you’re starting to think like the old guy.

FWIW, I rec’d Marty’s response not because I agreed with him, but for the Stripes reference.

I’m infinitely more angry at Braun making that ridiculously idiotic poster that Kirbir linked to in the original post. Look at his douchey face. You are better than that Ryan.

but here it is. I think it was Hyatt who said in the FanPost that Braun’s top priority was to his business venture (not verbatim, but along those same lines).

All I can say to that is bullshit.

Ryan has the sole obligation to his employer. Call it being naive, old school or just plain stupid but Ryan is getting paid some good cash to be focused on baseball. He doesn’t have to give a F%$^ about the Brewers, he doesn’t have to give a F&% about the fans. Here’s the deal: he has to at least pretend like he gives a F$#. That’s why he’s getting paid. And no, I’m not blaming this current slump on Femmetee. I’m not saying that all players should be tucked away by 9:30 every night, I’m just saying if you are getting paid to be the leader for your employer and to produce for your employer, not to mention the fans, then you do it. Like I said before, I know my opinion is total shit and I’ll be ripped upon after this. No offense or bad vibes toward Hyatt by the way. It was just something I read earlier that stuck with me throughtout the day. So when can we stop talking about these shirts??? :)

Okay, so Braun and I obviously aren’t the same person, but I know that when I come home from work – no matter how long I’ve worked – I can’t sleep right away. What do I do when I get home? I stay up for a few hours on the computer, play video games, watch Adult Swim, and generally f*^k around – this night included, even though I have to work again at 8am. I normally can’t sleep until at least one or two in the morning as it is, so I can’t imagine that Braun – who is not so different in age – would be too terribly different. If the game on Saturday isn’t until 6:05pm, I can’t see why anyone would have that much of a problem with him dinking around in a club and trying to make some extra money.

I’ve said pretty much everything else that I wanted to say in the FanShot I made last night. I think that it’s sad that something which was meant to be silly and teasing on my behalf has turned into such a big issue. I’m half wishing I could go back in time and just not post anything at all. The last thing that I would want to ever do is bring so much bickering and disagreement to people who I consider my friends. I’ve closed the comments on the other thread and would appreciate if this wouldn’t go that much further.