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"Umpires are people, too," veteran ump Tim McClelland told Weber. "We have families; we have emotions. ... Somebody says, 'Kill the umpire,' and people go, 'Heh, heh, that's funny,' but in order to do that, you have to disassociate the umpire from the person.

"We're human. We're not just robots they send out there."

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Hey, let's hire the robots then

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 4, 2009 10:50 PM CDT reply actions  

"We have families. We have emotions.... We're human. We're not just robots they send out there."

Duh. Why do you think we boo? It would be pretty stupid to boo a robot that doesn’t have feelings to hurt.

Dude gets paid to watch baseball games. I know he’s not sitting in the stands goofing off and having a beer, but he’s getting paid to watch baseball games. And paid pretty damn well at that. When he screws up, he gets booed. Now he’s complaining because it hurts his feelings? Too freaking bad. What planet did he live on before he was an ump? Because clearly, if knew people were going to be mean to him, he never would have chosen this occupation. Obviously, someone must have told him that fans and players throw roses at umps and buy them dinner when they screw up calls. It couldn’t possibly be that he wants to make large amounts of cash getting paid to watch baseball on the field without being held responsible for his performance. Maybe he’d prefer work in the auto-industry, or the newspaper business. You know, some place where he’d make 30% of the money he’s making now if he doesn’t get fired and laid off, but no one shows up at his workplace to tell him he sucks when he makes a mistake. He’d be poorer, and probably unemployed, but at least no one would call him names when he showed up at Job Service.

Have a seat Tim. Here’s a nice frosty mug of shutthef***up.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 4, 2009 11:12 PM CDT reply actions  

Whoa there

My point in posting this story was to gather attention to the fact that everyone involved in baseball are just people and should be treated as such. Humans are going to make mistakes, but that’s why pencils have erasers.

Tim’s not worried about the booing I think, but a lot of people take anger over a play out on the umpires. Going so far as to say that the fans should kill the ump is way over the line. There’s no way that threatening the ump is going to get him to reverse his call or change what happened. The one thing it will do, though, is affect his ability to call future plays. If someone is afraid they might end up getting hurt, they’re not going to call all the right shots and they’re going to be preocupied. The game then ceases to be fair.

Last time I checked, baseball is a game – something that is done for fun. I don’t think that any situation where people are being treated as less than human or are being threatened for doing their job is alright or ‘fun’. It stops being something that I can enjoy, and instead turns into an event that I want no part of.

Then again, what do I know? I spend all my time in the kitchen barefoot.

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by kirbir on May 4, 2009 11:48 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh, come on

Nobody (well, hardly anyone) actually wants to harm the umpires for screwing something up. Nevertheless, being a fan of something is an inherently irrational activity rife with emotion, and as such fans tend to vent that emotion at the umpire (or player) when that umpire (or player) fails at their job and the games turns on that failure.

Now, reading that article, it actually seems to make a pretty good case for why umpires are obsolete. The quote from Fay Vincent about them being treated like so much necessary equipment and not human beings really cinches it: their job has nothing to do with being human! Sure, we want to see players put up statistics and ultimately care about the wins and losses, but we also care about how the players do it and what kind of people they are; the same thing cannot be said of umpires.

If umpire-bots had existed when baseball was invented, I’m sure they would have been used instead of human beings, because why would you pick a person to fill a purely objective function that neither demands nor is enhanced by personality? The only reason QuesTec, etc are such a big deal is because how entrenched the human umpires have become.

“That’s really what [being an umpire] is about — is being in charge,” he said. “If there’s anything that characterizes the major league umpire, it’s that special kind of chutzpah.”

This is so wrong that I don’t even know where to begin. Maybe they do need strong personalities to enforce the rules on a bunch of roided-up asshole ballplayers (stereotype fully in effect), but that’s just an argument for getting human officiating out of baseball. Fans come to see the ballplayers, and fans pay the bills, so if the umpires can’t coexist with the fans and/or ballplayers, they’re up a creek. Umpires are just a means to an end, existing to facilitate the playing of the game.

TLDR: Boo-fucking-hoo.

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 12:12 AM CDT up reply actions  

Note

The “boo-fucking-hoo” is of course directed at the umpires, not at kirbir, though she is a dastardly umpire sympathizer.

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 12:13 AM CDT up reply actions  

I am in no way suggesting that they deserve to be threatened, nor have I have ever shouted a threat at an umpire. I have booed them when I think they get a call wrong. I have criticized them when I think that they got a call wrong in part because they didn’t expend the effort necessary to get themselves in a position to make the right call. I reserve the right to do that, though I’m not so foolish to believe that it has any chance of getting them to change their call. I’m more than aware, in part, I think, because I’m a casual, that everyone out on the diamond is human and prone to mental and physical lapses as well as triumphs. That’s a major reason why I watch the game.

I seriously doubt that there are many instances in which an umpire’s ability to perform was impacted by wildly inappropriate threats made from the stands or the dugout. I don’t believe that booing or criticizing umpires is treating them as less than human. They’ve chosen an occupation where they perform their duties in front of huge audiences, and they’re well rewarded for that work. And they knew when they made that choice to work in a fish-bowl they knew they were subject to loud and intense criticism when they get it wrong. That’s the deal. Anyone, prosecutors, politicians, athletes, actors or any other professional who chooses to work in the full view of the public better have a thick skin, and they should know better than to accept the benefits of their chosen profession while whining about the negatives.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 5, 2009 12:19 AM CDT up reply actions   1 recs

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I have criticized them when I think that they got a call wrong in part because they didn’t expend the effort necessary to get themselves in a position to make the right call.

Is why I rec’d your response.

As compared to referees in other sports, baseball umpires have the greatest job on Earth. They don’t have to run around like refs in basketball and football. In fact, it’s pretty obvious their day-to-day work doesn’t require them to maintain any form of physical conditioning at all. You can be seen as a good to great umpire if you’re making minimal effort to stay in position and move down the line to get the best angle on fair/foul and home run calls. And, to top it off, they’re allowed to return fire when a manager or player argues with them. Show me a basketball or football ref that shouts back at a player or a coach and I’ll show you a ref that’s about to be looking for work.

Now, Kirbir’s point is valid: Most umpires are doing their best and don’t deserve the level of vitriol they’re shown on a day-to-day basis. But they’ve also got it pretty good, especially when you compare them to their counterparts.

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by Kyle Lobner on May 5, 2009 12:08 PM CDT up reply actions  

I hate umpires

It isn’t so much their fault, I just believe balls and strikes should be called by computers. The strike zone has been a total joke for at least 3 years. Umps have become a pack of whining useless babies having cuddle parties with baseball writers who give gold gloves to Nate McLouth. Stick a fork in them, please.

by Braunstalker on May 5, 2009 2:47 PM CDT reply actions  

It's the better part of a day later and I still feel vaguely nauseous.

I don’t like disagreeing with people that are clearly better human beings than I am.

by Ted Simmons Speed Camp on May 5, 2009 7:09 PM CDT reply actions  

Who tags these posts?

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by TheJay on May 5, 2009 9:53 PM CDT reply actions  

Haha

I’m going to guess roguejim.

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 9:54 PM CDT up reply actions  

Nah that was me

They were already created and seemed crazy enough to attract attention. I’m glad someone noticed :)

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by kirbir on May 5, 2009 10:16 PM CDT up reply actions  

Go figure it would be your boyfriend

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 10:41 PM CDT up reply actions  

Oh great

Now we can’t boo players either!

"I had a bad day," Sampson said. "I’m human. Everybody out there’s human."

"I didn't realize his velocity was that high," said Macha, noting that radar readings aren't flashed during exhibition games.

by battlekow on May 5, 2009 10:42 PM CDT reply actions  

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